Mrknowitall:
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the reason why there is so many on the dole is because you are doing a job for no pay doing someone else out of a jobim 54 as well
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just made sure that I always have a job just in case you have not noticed this world is a jungle and only the fittest survive, I successfully feed my family and it will stay that way, what happens to others interests me about as much as it intersts them what happens to me
I am not lazy far from it, i used to load and unload lorries when i worked in warehouses that was my paid job then 
my paid job now is imports and exports in the form of containers all we are allowed to do is drive eat and sleep and get paid right through i will not take anyones job and i will not work for nothing that would be stupid and i never panic about being out of work either whats the point of that? And before you ask i have been without a job 3 times 
i just get of my arse and look for another one 
Harry Monk:
ROG:
Malc44:
Once you backed onto a bay you then had to go in search of an electric pallet truck and tip yourself…Are you trained to use one of those? - I ask as I’ve seen some pretty horrific incidents where untrained personnel have used them !!
Oh FFS ROG, next you’ll be suggesting that my kids have to go on a two-week course before they are allowed to drive a dodgem car at the funfair.
It’s not rocket science. There is a two-position switch which makes it go forwards and backwards, and a two-position switch to raise and lower the forks. If you are really in a daring mood, there is a hooter.
What is up with you H&S people?And to the rest of the moaning minnies, if you did a bit of exercise from time to time, you wouldn’t look like Moby ■■■■’s fatter brother, would you?
Brilliant Harry. Took the words right out of my mouth.
Orys,
In reply to your entertaining tirade,
I’ve been driving for eighteen years (so I’m not really an old timer but I’ve done a bit)and people were telling me when I started out that the job wasn’t worth doing anymore.
Well, our mortgage is nearly paid off my partner and I both run cars, two of our kids have got good jobs and I have a motorcycle habit. I’m not an 80hr a week ESL clone either.
Maybe I mucked things up? Or maybe I just ignored the folk who talk their job and themselves down?
I admire your National pride but you are going to give yourself an heart attack going on like you do. Just chill out and live and let live. Leave the sad little moaners to their sad little lives.
W
orys:
Vascoingles:
Mrknowitall:
You are all bonkersbonkers as may be but at 54 years old I have never known more than 48 hours unemployment in my life, if a company folded being known and also being known what I would/could do meant a new job was only a phone call away and this despite having spent most of my working in other countries where I also had the disadvantage of being the foreigner, there has been more than one crisis during those years and I have survived all of them in full employment, so if putting in that little extra that ensures that I always have work makes me bonkers then they can lock me away now.
Exactly. I am a bit more than half his age, I am a foreigner, and I have no problems to find work in UK. And they say there is a big unemployment problem.
On one occasion I was told “I just have to employ you - if you were working for that Pakistani warehouse [the one with handball deliveries], you are not afraid of any job”
I wonder what the reply would be to some who would say on his interview “I was only working for Sainsbury as there is no manual labour involved, and I am now 2 years on the dole, as I can’t find anything similar”…
Is it just me that finds that sentence amusing? 
Wanted warehousman and fork lift drivers to drive lgv’s for nothing
I think you can extend it beyond the self tip rdc’s. When I was agency driving at tesco harlow, went in one night and asked what I was doing. Was told bishops stortford back for harlow church langley back for harlow metro. Thats drive 8 miles, 45 cages off, 45 on, 8 miles back, 45 off, 70 empties on, trailer change, drive 2 miles, repeat above, 2 miles back, repeat, trailer change, drive half a mile, repeat, half mile back. I said no thanks, I’m a lorry driver, not a mobile warehouse. If you can’t give me a distance job before a local, I shall go home. Before you jump down my throat, I know the cages are part of that job, and I’m fine with that. But I became a driver to get some miles under my belt, not ponce around local, I’m not a milkman, nor am I warehouseman
orys:
Disclaimer two: There is one thing in English that I did not find the proper way to make myself clear: it’s that “you” works for singular and plurar. All “you” above are not only refering to Mrknowitall, but they are “general you” to all British drivers who are too lazy to work and blame Eastern Europeans for stealing their jobs. And I am not saying that Mrknowitall is one of them, as I don’t know himI hope it’s clear now
To clarify that one in Scots it is
you = singular
youse = plural
OVLOV JAY:
For me it’s a case of principles, it’s not my gear, nor my warehouse, most drivers don’t get extra so I don’t agree with it. I can work anywhere for nothing. And I don’t open curtains either, I’m a container driver
ahhhh container driver. say no more.
orys:
Mrknowitall:
the reason why there is so many on the dole is because you are doing a job for no pay doing someone else out of a job[zb].
This is just excuse for your laziness.
I never worked for less than my British counterparts. Moreover, when I worked for that warehouse, they were paying me a quid more per hour than to the rest because they were so desperate for drivers to go there and I was only one of the few who don’t bothered to do some heavy work.
How is, that all this poor guys driven out of job by me usually say “I would never work in a job you do for money you earn” without even knowing what I do and what I earn?
I remember once I was sitting in one truckstop doing my time sheets and other paperwork, and two guys came to me and started the same talk as you do, trying to wind me up. Then they told, that they would never do my job for my money. I asked: whad do you drive? He pointed at DAF CF with container trailer. How much you have for the week? He said “560”. I then showed him my pay slip with 625 take home and pointed at my 18 tonner DAF with exactly the same cab.
They took their coffes and left the cafe without saying the word.
From all Scottish people I know, these who want’ to work have no problem to find a decent job even under that circumstances we have now.
The only one who are on the dole are these who still moan about “I won’t work for them, as they have premiums only” or “I won’t rise my bum from bed for less than 12 per hour” or “I was on the interview, but the vans were basic, there was even no fridge” (all autentic quotes).
See, when I came to Scotland, I had no knowledge of road network, I had very poor English and paint on my cat. C license was barely dry. I started to work for agency along the British guys (there were only two other Poles there at the time) and I was last Pole to leave for permanent job after 7 months. And I was paid the same rate in my new job as every other driver was (I was the only Pole there).
So why they picked some unexperienced Polish guy with poor English if they could have all that mighty great British truckers to choose from? Do you have any answer to that other, that I am a better worker than them?
I struggle to come with any other answer.
If I was British haulier, I would prefer to employ a British worker, who have 20 years of driving under his belt, who knows everything and everyone in the business and speaks English since he was 2. There would be only exception when I would pick the foreigner: if I was fed up with that I can’t find any British worker who will be doing something more than constant moaning and giving excuses and I needed someone who actually will do the job. I don’t think Scottish hauliers are stupid or attracted to me in a different way - I dare to tell the only reason why I never failed to find some job was that I was a good worker, and if they were calling my ex bosses for references, this is what they were told.
So stop making excuses, as this is just silly and annoying.
You were living in relative luxury for many years and you had forgotten how is to work hard for your wage. Now the world has changed, I mean, the whole world is on it’s knees, we are not even close to be clear from previous crisis and there is another one seems to be coming, and it’s not influx of Poles to UK who caused that.
So instead of looking for whipping boys, just get your sleeves up and do some work, you will be surprised how easy is to find a proper job (altough I am not saying that your first job will be briliant, I think you have to do some share of crap job to show, that you are not afraid of work first, unless you are really lucky).
And last but not least: I do admit that influx of Eastern European drivers has some impact on a drivers wages, but I do not believe it was the only reason. See, when I came here in 2006 there was so big shortage of drivers, that me, the fresh class 2 driver signed up to one agency, with poor English and no knowledge of the area had a call from them every day and was offered few jobs to choose from for the next day. So I believe there was a genuine shortage of drivers at this time (at least the ones who want to do some work).
Later the market was getting thight, and again, I never met any Pole who was ready to work for less than Britons, but I met one Briton which whom I had an interview together and he openly told the interviewer “I am ready to take that job for 50p less per hour than he” before they even told us whats the rates are in that place. (somehow it was me who got that job anyway).
And last but not least, I somehow don’t believe than back in 80s for example you were all driving fancy motors for 20 pounds per hour and you didn’t needed to move your finger to do anything apart from driving. They were such jobs, maybe, as they are today, but somehow I think that the job back then was even more demanding - there was much less motorways around, there was all that roping and sheeting, and tilt trailers, reversing with a-frames involved and the trucks back then were much harder to drive - i guess older folks with confirm that.
So stop telling fairy tales, stop blaming everyone around, get real and get a job, if you want to work. There is plenty around.
The guy for whom I worked via agency was saying that he would like to get me full time, but I got the offer from the place I work just now and went for it. Yet he still calls me every few months to check if I am not willing to come back to him. So I guess he is still struggling to find some decent driver…
Disclaimer: Yes, I know, I repeat myself, but blaming immigrant for everything is also a common subject.
Disclaimer two: There is one thing in English that I did not find the proper way to make myself clear: it’s that “you” works for singular and plurar. All “you” above are not only refering to Mrknowitall, but they are “general you” to all British drivers who are too lazy to work and blame Eastern Europeans for stealing their jobs. And I am not saying that Mrknowitall is one of them, as I don’t know him
I hope it’s clear now
Blimey, I hope you were not supposed to be working hard whilst you spent an hour on that letter 
switchlogic:
I prefer it. I’d rather spend 30/40 mins tipping myself than several hours sat in a crappy waiting room.
^This^
Plus you do get paid for it, 33 Euros @ 2quid a pop ain’t bad for half hour’s graft 
Although I am against drivers having to unload themselves in the name of health and safety, the old ‘I ain’t insured to get on the trailer’ routine, that really gets on my ■■■■ that one For one it’s total bollox, their employer’s insurance covers them, but the biggest problem I have with it is that they believe that their health and safety is more important than a drivers 
The last place that did that to me wished thay hadn’t, first I had all the managers out in the yard so that they could show me that I was insured, I wanted to read through all the fine print, then after a lot of to and fro discussion I pointed out that if the knob on the forklift had just asked me to give him a hand, I would’ve and none of this would’ve happened, but he had to quote health and safety, by this time I had a few mischievious thoughts too, so the final pallet ended up flying straight out of the back of the trailer and ended up in a big heap on the floor, I already had my CMR signed so I didn’t care, they banned me from site, but again, so what, I don’t want to go to places that treat me like crap anyway, so asked for the ban to be put in writing
Im happy to tip myself, gets me out of the cab and doing a different job and also gets me tipped quicker, rather keep busy than sit or stand in a 5x5 waiting room with 89 other drivers for 6 hours.
I wonder how many of these drivers who say “its not my job” have previously posted in other threads that they are sick of waiting in RDCs for hours on end
happysack:
OVLOV JAY:
For me it’s a case of principles, it’s not my gear, nor my warehouse, most drivers don’t get extra so I don’t agree with it. I can work anywhere for nothing. And I don’t open curtains either, I’m a container driverahhhh container driver. say no more.
yes happy sack im a container driver on overtime after 8hrs a day i have done all that stripping out tilts bollicks for less money
Jobs and times change
what was the norm 20 years ago aint acceptable to those
who pull the ■■■■■ strings today
we have to be flexible.
Your boss knows the score and should try to price in the extra labour
Ibet Stobbies does
Jeez some of you could ■■■■■ for England!!!
My ■■■■■ Bigger than Yours…Like a load of 14 year olds in the playground .
I’ve got a tip in Lidl Bridgend in the morning - what do you all think I should do? 
The Sarge:
I’ve got a tip in Lidl Bridgend in the morning - what do you all think I should do?
as you know by now you will be expected to tip it so if you don’t want to tell the boss in your office before you go you’re not unhired warehouse staff and see what he says or just turn up and get done quicker than if you were going to tesco magor
hitch:
Jobs and times change
what was the norm 20 years ago aint acceptable to those
who pull the ■■■■■ strings today
we have to be flexible.
Your boss knows the score and should try to price in the extra labour
Ibet Stobbies does
I think you have a point.
I am positive that our fella gets the labour included in his rate. He considers the work very valuable and he is careful to plan that we are on time and have enough time to tip out.
As far as I can tell, ESL just like to hang around Tescos for hours on end while two temps tip forty odd trailers.
(maybe that’s in the rate too?)
W
Ok ok…it’s a question I wish I hadn’t of posted now !!
I’ve only returned to driving in the last few months,and have had my ticket about 17 years…
I MYSELF think it’s totally wrong that we have to tip our trucks ourselfs,I think on reading these comments if you wanted to help then you should,I’m not a big fat porker,but for the larger unfit driver,go for it and unload.
My point was that it’s unfair,do you think you would get one of the Aldi staff to drive your truck?? Point made…
One last thing,I noticed it has drifted on to poleaxe drivers,again MY views are they are crap,can’t drive rude and bloody smell (most of them!!)
I think it’s a bloody disgrace that the uk companies hire them !! My boss for one certainly wouldn’t hire a poleaxe !!
No I’m not a racist,just living in a f’ed up world with cost cutting idiots…
Anyway…say no to self tip !!!
Ah I see now, it’s a wind up
