Happy new year Guys and girls
I have been offered work for a proper haulage company not agency.
The wages they pay are £12 p/h anytime on a zero contract hours
But my question is can i be S/E even though i will only be working for them i will not be working for anyone else only the said company above.
My mate told me i cant be s/e and only work for one company
Thanks in advance A.D
aylesburyduck:
Happy new year Guys and girlsI have been offered work for a proper haulage company not agency.
The wages they pay are £12 p/h anytime on a zero contract hours
But my question is can i be S/E even though i will only be working for them i will not be working for anyone else only the said company above.
My mate told me i cant be s/e and only work for one companyThanks in advance A.D
So they can ring you any day and say your not needed and you call that a
proper haulage company
your havin a laugh,you might aswell be better off on agency
Don’t see why, I’d go for it. There was something in the building trade a few years ago where all the trades were self employed but only worked for one contractor, the law changed and they all had to be employed.
If it’s offered, take it. What’s the worse that can happen? I’d be more concerned, but not much, by the zero hours bit. I’d understand that as, “I’ll give you work when I’ve got some but when it’s quiet I won’t be paying you.” That’s when you can work for someone else.
Good luck.
A zero hours contract doesn’t necessarily mean self employed.
Have they asked you to go self employed ?
My understanding is that HMRC won’t recognise you as being self employed in the scenario you describe.
nick2008:
aylesburyduck:
Happy new year Guys and girlsI have been offered work for a proper haulage company not agency.
The wages they pay are £12 p/h anytime on a zero contract hours
But my question is can i be S/E even though i will only be working for them i will not be working for anyone else only the said company above.
My mate told me i cant be s/e and only work for one companyThanks in advance A.D
So they can ring you any day and say your not needed and you call that a
proper haulage company
your havin a laugh,you might aswell be better off on agency
Im claiming job seekers at the moment £71.40 p/w so i have nothing to lose.
also this is not what i asked. Im asking for s/e info not your opinion on the job!!!
The rules are pretty straightforward, you are an employee:
In order to determine the nature of a contract, it is necessary to apply common law principles. The courts have, over the years, laid down some factors and tests that are relevant, which is included in the overview below.
As a general guide as to whether a worker is an employee or self-employed; if the answer is ‘Yes’ to all of the following questions, then the worker is probably an employee:
Do they have to do the work themselves?
Can someone tell them at any time what to do, where to carry out the work or when and how to do it?
Can they work a set amount of hours?
Can someone move them from task to task?
Are they paid by the hour, week, or month?
Can they get overtime pay or bonus payment?If the answer is ‘Yes’ to all of the following questions, it will usually mean that the worker is self-employed:
Can they hire someone to do the work or engage helpers at their own expense?
Do they risk their own money?
Do they provide the main items of equipment they need to do their job, not just the small tools that many employees provide for themselves?
Do they agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long the job may take?
Can they decide what work to do, how and when to do the work and where to provide the services?
Do they regularly work for a number of different people?
Do they have to correct unsatisfactory work in their own time and at their own expense?
Firstly, glad that you have got this opportunity. Secondly, I too am not sure if HMRC would accept you as being self employed if you are working for the one company all the time. Basically, HMRC will look at it and claim that you are cheating them out of National Insurance contributions which your employer would be paying - this rate is around 13.8% I realise that it is not quite the same, but take a look at IR35. Get some more advice mate.
Its paid weekly but every monday i have to invoice them my hour ,tolls,and nights out, then its put into the bank on fridays. I have spoke to 2 guys on for them and they said they have been doing around 50 to 60 hours a week every week and one of them has been there 2 years. They have already put me though my moffett training 2 day course which i passed yesterday. A lot of the work is delivering shop fittings and checkouts at night to shop fitters.
Anyway i will contact the tax office tomorrow just to make sure im not breaking any laws
regards A.D
If your on a zero hours contract, and they have no work for you on any given day, your free to work for who you choose, if they don’t like it, then they employ you. Simples.
Ken.
Self employed labour only to one firm only I think the maximum time is about 14 months then you have to go somewhere else for a while.
If they are offering you a zero hours contract you should be classed as employed.
If they have said they will use you as a driver but you need to be self employed, I believe that setting up a Ltd Co is the way to do it. It costs around £30 to do, if your half decent at bookkeeping you can do your own books, if not you should be able to get an accountant for £250-£400 a year. Save any recipts, for anything meals, drinks, maps, sat nav etc. If you will be invoicing them it would be worth being VAT registered as that will bump your earnings g’s up 10%.
Others will be able to help more.
NewLad:
If they are offering you a zero hours contract you should be classed as employed.If they have said they will use you as a driver but you need to be self employed, I believe that setting up a Ltd Co is the way to do it. It costs around £30 to do, if your half decent at bookkeeping you can do your own books, if not you should be able to get an accountant for £250-£400 a year. Save any recipts, for anything meals, drinks, maps, sat nav etc. If you will be invoicing them it would be worth being VAT registered as that will bump your earnings g’s up 10%.
Others will be able to help more.
Be careful when doing this in case you fall inside IR35.
How will being vat registered bump your earnings up 10percent
Dan Punchard:
How will being vat registered bump your earnings up 10percent
Because you charge 20% but pay 10% to the VAT man.
Quinny:
If your on a zero hours contract, and they have no work for you on any given day, your free to work for who you choose, if they don’t like it, then they employ you. Simples.Ken.
Thats what she said Ken they dont mind me working for someone else if they cant offer me work. But the lady m.d said all my drivers work flat out for a least 48 weeks of the year. regards A/D
Dan Punchard:
How will being vat registered bump your earnings up ?
It is called the flat rate scheme and it will bump your earnings up. According to the type of work you are in, you agree with HMRC a percentage and then you pay this percentage when you submit your return. So, if you invoice your customer net for £100, you add VAT at the prevailing rate 20% so you therefore bill your customer for £120. When it comes to paying VAT over to HMRC, you would only pay them the percentage of your agreed rate. The downside to this scheme is that you can not reclaim VAT on any purchases (unless they are capital expenditure and over £2000) like fuel etc. Generally though, for contractors who only sell labour, this scheme is worth looking at.
Lusk:
Dan Punchard:
How will being vat registered bump your earnings up ?It is called the flat rate scheme and it will bump your earnings up. According to the type of work you are in, you agree with HMRC a percentage and then you pay this percentage when you submit your return. So, if you invoice your customer net for £100, you add VAT at the prevailing rate 20% so you therefore bill your customer for £120. When it comes to paying VAT over to HMRC, you would only pay them the percentage of your agreed rate. The downside to this scheme is that you can not reclaim VAT on any purchases (unless they are capital expenditure and over £2000) like fuel etc. Generally though, for contractors who only sell labour, this scheme is worth looking at.
Thanks
You can as long as you act as a ltd company. Itll work better for you to have another haulier that will do the same aswell as a back up tax wise you’ll be better off than on a 0 hour contact
alix776:
You can as long as you act as a ltd company. Itll work better for you to have another haulier that will do the same aswell as a back up tax wise you’ll be better off than on a 0 hour contact
Get signed up with an agency, so, that you have an extra customer on your “books”, fill in the gaps with them, and get another shift in every other saturday [hours permitting], just show that there are more than one customer in your ledger, that will keep HMRC off your back, along with the flat rate VAT, you`ll be ok…
You can get around the ‘working for 1 employer’ thing by simply registering for a couple of agencies on a self employed basis and just do 1 days work for each during your ‘hols’ (Maybe twice/three times a year)… you can then supply HMRC with copies of invoices to at least 3 different employers… 
Personally I’d love the same opportunity that you’ve been offered…if you don’t want the job feel free to PM me the details and i’ll apply! 