Mike-C:
The only suprising thing to my mind was the age of the guys.
Anyway, there’s a moral to the story…think twice, think bike doing a ton !!
Don’t know why you are surprised about the age, that age group on motorbikes has one of the highest fatality rates.
Born again bikers, been a problem since the 1990’s.
Lots of guys drove bikes in their youth then got a car never touched a bike again. Suddenly 20 years later they decide going to get back into bikes, get all the leathers, get top of the range sportsbike.
Even worse is the guys who have never ridden a bike before in their life go on a direct access course within a week they can drive a 170mph motorbike.
Of course its a macho thing, of course they know how to drive, even though something like a Ninja that can do 170mph is nothing like the 250cc Honda Superdream they drove 20 years ago. A lot of these accidents happen on the twisties misjudge a corner.
I passed my test in 1992, i think driving a bike you make mistakes its a case of trial and error, difference was back then i was on a CG125, that could do about 60mph flat out. So my stupid mistakes involved being embarressed, bruising and having to push my bike home to get a bollocking off my dad because he was going to have to fix my bike. Compared to these days make a mistake on 600cc sportsbike and because of the speed they go easilly its a case of call out the air ambulance or shovel someone into a bodybag.
Good to see one less tube off the road for good, at least he didnt take anybody elses life. Pity about the innocent people involved though.
Anyone whose ever been in the Triangle area on the NW200 week should know all about these aul boys on bikes that think the road is theirs.
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If you’re travelling at that sort of speed there can’t be any complaint about cars pulling out in front of you.
As a car/truck occasional bike driver i look for bikers but if i see one in the far distance on a 60 mph road i can’t be blamed if he’s doing 3 times the speed i rightly expect.
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Too right, if you want to speed, fair enough, but it’s on you to anticipate other people’s next move. Driving like that, he should have read the road and not put himself in a situation where that could have happened. Ok the car driver didn’t check his mirrors enough obviously but the onus was on the biker to factor in people with lower driving ability. I think you should have to pass your HGV before they let you take your bike test, that’d teach 'em. I’ve been thinking about taking my bike test but it’s not what I would do that’s worrying me, although I bet the temptation to spank it is strong, all it takes is some tool pulling out on you and it’s game over. Wouldn’t matter if you are doing 40 or 70. Game over.
It says ERF not RAF:
Yes he was riding like a nutter but the accident was caused by the car pulling out for the overtake. Car driver probably not checking mirrors before an overtake on single carriageway (I see it all the time especially on the A roads of Lincs and E.Anglia).
so,am i reading this right then?
it was the car drivers fault for pulling out to overtake,clearly indicating,and,probably checking his mirrors before doing so,oh and probably driving within the confines of the speed limit.
and it wasnt the bike riders fault for trying to overtake in a (at best) 60mph zone,doing over a ton,illegally trying to overtake on chevrons,whilst persistently putting his own life as well as other motorists at risk.how would you feel if it was a vehicle with your loved ones he hit and killed.
as sad as this story definatley is,the only people i have sympathy for is the people who had to clear this tragedy up.,certainly not a biker risking eveyones life!.
Smoker, I wasnt suggesting for one minute that car drivers etc are completely blameless.
I was rambling so much I didnt actually put my point, which is, that all the signs and advertising regarding this sort of thing seems mainly to be aimed at the motorists. Why should one roaduser be responsible for another? The motorcyclist in the case of these signs.
Surely, they are as responsible for judging if a maneuver is safe for them to do as a motorist is for themselves.
Darby Flyer:
Smoker, I wasnt suggesting for one minute that car drivers etc are completely blameless.
I was rambling so much I didnt actually put my point, which is, that all the signs and advertising regarding this sort of thing seems mainly to be aimed at the motorists. Why should one roaduser be responsible for another? The motorcyclist in the case of these signs.
Surely, they are as responsible for judging if a maneuver is safe for them to do as a motorist is for themselves.
Sure they are, but if you judge somethings safe and you still get hit someone needs a bash with the clue stick. Generally bike riders don’t go out to get knocked off, I know I don’t. But people in cars are in their own wibbly wobbly world, sat on their arse with the heater turned up listening to the latest crap on the in car stereo, or even worse headphones ! They’re the ones that do the damage and need reminding. They are the reason we have bloody arrows on the road so they can keep a safe distance. They are the reason the speed limits are kept low. They have the least training, usually the least skill and kill more people than any other group. That’s why the signs are directed at them. If a bike rider does something stupid, he usually pays a heavy price, if a car driver does something stupid, you’re lucky if they notice, and if they do you’ll probably get the finger out the window.
Truck drivers have to take 5 tests to get C+E. Bike riders have to take 3 tests. Both of those have off road components. Car drivers have 2 tests with no off road training at all. They even have trouble parking the ■■■■ things straight.
I’m not suggesting that they are responsible if a bike overtakes at a junction, but until they prove to be responsible in any way they have to be treated like slightly slow children. We all have to have some responsibility for other road users. If you’re going round a roundabout in an artic and a ■■■■ cuts through on your O/S, you try not to crush them. It’s not your responsibility if they hit you, but you still have to do what you can to avoid death and serious injury. The difference is that car drivers have to be reminded of that all the bloody time. My most hated advert is that one for injury insurance with the bus stop and the kids. If there is a bunch of kids hanging around a bus stop larking about, you instantly make plans to stop in a hurry in case one of them runs out. Not that bloke, he ploughs straight on and hits another idiot who thinks coz he can’t see it must be safe. 
You can probably tell my feelings about your average car driver.
Sorry for the rant 
jammymutt:
smoker:
jammymutt:
The biker rode on chevrons to overtake the car drove on chevrons to overtake whats the difference?.
About 100mph apparently 
reminds me of a saying - “fools rush in”.
What speed is it ok to overtake on chevrons then is it between 1 and 100?.
Are you doing odds or is it NO no matter what the speed is?.
My money is on OH [zb] I dont do it and im alive !!!best odds really.
According to the Highway code it is ok to overtake on chevrons:-
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Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency
redboxer850:
According to the Highway code it is ok to overtake on chevrons:-
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Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency
Was it necessary but? My interpretation would be a broken down car is necessary 
merc0447:
redboxer850:
According to the Highway code it is ok to overtake on chevrons:-
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Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency
Was it necessary but? My interpretation would be a broken down car is necessary
That would be an Emergency
And my point was that doing 100 mph more than the car makes the difference in the outcome. If you drew up behind them at 65 mph then got past at the right moment you’ll probably be ok, but blasting past at 100mph difference in speed is unlikely to end well. Whether it’s legal is largely irrelevant at this point. He could have had a blowout or hit a bit of debris in the road, but he would have had no time to do anything about it at that speed. I am speaking as a bike rider (Z1100R, GSX1100, GS1000 etc), they can get from 0-100 in 4 or 5 seconds without breaking a sweat. The front goes light and you’re relying on plenty of space to lean for direction. Doing that passing a car on a two way road is rubber room stuff.
redboxer850:
merc0447:
redboxer850:
According to the Highway code it is ok to overtake on chevrons:-
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Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency
Was it necessary but? My interpretation would be a broken down car is necessary
That would be an Emergency
yeah but the wording for broken lines is necessary, not emergency and i don’t think overtaking a moving car is necessary - if the car was stationary it would become necessary.
Just my opinion on it.
Where is the broken down car?.
merc0447:
redboxer850:
merc0447:
redboxer850:
According to the Highway code it is ok to overtake on chevrons:-
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Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency
Was it necessary but? My interpretation would be a broken down car is necessary
That would be an Emergency
yeah but the wording for broken lines is necessary, not emergency and i don’t think overtaking a moving car is necessary - if the car was stationary it would become necessary.
Just my opinion on it.
Yeah but the wording says necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
If they didn’t want you to enter the chevrons AT ALL (apart from an emergency-broken down car etc), they would mark them with a SOLID white line
You get a lot of tractors on that road so they leave the lines broken. You also get a lot of nutters even though part of the road is 50mph limit they still fly past at 60 or 70. Basically as you approach Redruth, be on your guard. There is a camera a bit further on past Camborne ( goes back to single track) and being on LGV it’s a 40 limit. You can see the ■■■■■■■■ fuming behind you, then they all fight to fly past, even if they’re turning off at the next exit.
Cornwall is why I quit the bulk powder tankers. I got to drive in and back 2 or 3 times a day and for the sake of my heart it wasn’t worth it. That and the bridge in Plymouth. The main problem is dual carriageways that frequently go back to single carriageways. ■■■■ cars ALWAYS have to get in front no matter what the risk, or what’s already there. I got sick of it.
smoker:
. ■■■■ cars ALWAYS have to get in front no matter what the risk, or what’s already there. I got sick of it.
Totally agree with you there as I drive most days I leave myself a little bit of braking space and its frequently filled by sphincters who feel its theres.
I say serves him right. Too many bikers ride like this thinking they’re invincable!
I was in the outside lane on a duel carriageway in an artic overtaking some slower cars when i could see a motorbike coming up behind at a great rate of spead. I thought to myself i better move over & let him past. I checked my mirrors indicated & was just about to move back over to the left lane when the biker came screaming past on the left. I could of killed him!! Any biker who rides like a ■■■■ deserves to die like a ■■■■■■■■■ over.
The only people i feel sorry for are the innocent parties involved who will have to remember this for the rest of their lives.
tyler4164:
I say serves him right. Too many bikers ride like this thinking they’re invincable!
I was in the outside lane on a duel carriageway in an artic overtaking some slower cars when i could see a motorbike coming up behind at a great rate of spead. I thought to myself i better move over & let him past. I checked my mirrors indicated & was just about to move back over to the left lane when the biker came screaming past on the left. I could of killed him!! Any biker who rides like a [zb] deserves to die like a [zb]…Rant over.
And I was using a number plate I made myself out of toilet rolls and sticky back plastic.
The only people i feel sorry for are the innocent parties involved who will have to remember this for the rest of their lives.
You really are a [zb] aint ya .
( personal attack removed ) jd
It says ERF not RAF:
Yes he was riding like a nutter but the accident was caused by the car pulling out for the overtake. Car driver probably not checking mirrors before an overtake on single carriageway (I see it all the time especially on the A roads of Lincs and E.Anglia).
If you’re a biker then you need to be aware that cars pull out without seeing you and make allowances for it. (It happened to me many years ago but the speeds were lower so I got away with a few bruises.) The argument as to whether the car was in the wrong is very little consulation to your relatives.
Probably slightly off topic here.
The following link to our local newspaper holds a story of what happened to my niece’s boyfriend…he’s lucky to be alive. I was thinking about getting another bike myself next year, I don’t think I’ll bother…
I don’t know the full circumstances of the accident yet.
barnsley-chronicle.co.uk/new … ,2788.html
I feel sorry for the oncoming van. He had done nothing wrong at all and now he lives with the memory of a biker hitting him head on.
The video biker was fined £190. A man was fined £50 for dropping litter the other day what sort of perpective is this?