Doing a bit for D.S.Smith on reels at the moment very hot on H&S but loads of training given and happy to answer questions, trailers have hanging ratchets on bungees which helps alot its made clear that the safe system of work is the only approved way of doing it if in doubt ask
i was very wary of going on this as id heard some right horror stories but its not too bad ( alot better than some ive done ) also they dont chase and hound you it takes as long as it takes as long as its done safely…
saying that i have done reels from europe on the roll but with lots of chocks and straps
and many years ago reels stood on end with no straps and getting stuck for a bit on lindum hill ( missed a gear ) young and dumb comes to mind the job is only as safe as you make it
daftvader:
ezydriver:
We pick up reels from Tilbury, and we don’t get out of the gate unless we’ve ratchet strapped the load. So most of us will take at least 10 straps and plenty of corners with us.I suppose there’s a reasonable argument that if the lorry was unfortunate enought to roll over, a load strapped correctly would be less likely to come shooting through the fibreglass roof and into the path of other traffic than a load ‘restrained’ with internals. So it’s not just about whether a load will come through the curtains.
I too pick up reels out of Tilbury…And have done for the last 10yrs…If your on about Stora…Then that not getting out the gate without strapping them.Has’nt been implemented long…But its there rules and i’m payed hourly so i’m really not fussed about strapping them.Although having said that.We take loads to Thurrrock.And the reels are all large singles.Staggered load.And you really would have to go some to have them move…
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It would take a serious amount of force to shift one of those. So much so I wouldn’t have thought it could be created under any normal driving conditions. So I guess, is the point that IF you were to roll over they want the load to stay on the trailer rather than having 2-3 ton reels rolling about on a public road.
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daftvader:
ezydriver:
We pick up reels from Tilbury, and we don’t get out of the gate unless we’ve ratchet strapped the load. So most of us will take at least 10 straps and plenty of corners with us.I suppose there’s a reasonable argument that if the lorry was unfortunate enought to roll over, a load strapped correctly would be less likely to come shooting through the fibreglass roof and into the path of other traffic than a load ‘restrained’ with internals. So it’s not just about whether a load will come through the curtains.
I too pick up reels out of Tilbury…And have done for the last 10yrs…If your on about Stora…Then that not getting out the gate without strapping them.Has’nt been implemented long…But its there rules and i’m payed hourly so i’m really not fussed about strapping them.Although having said that.We take loads to Thurrrock.And the reels are all large singles.Staggered load.And you really would have to go some to have them move…
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It would take a serious amount of force to shift one of those. So much so I wouldn’t have thought it could be created under any normal driving conditions. So I guess, is the point that IF you were to roll over they want the load to stay on the trailer rather than having 2-3 ton reels rolling about on a public road.
It’s always the piper who calls the tune, some companies have worked out that 11 paper reels staggered is a better risk than 7 or 9 strapped. If you load out of a steel works, they have their own rules using the law of average. Paper reels with damaged edges or soggy bottoms are no good.
Go and find an old man who loaded reels on the roll with a back chock and a tarpaulin and ask him how he held them on [emoji14]
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daftvader:
ezydriver:
We pick up reels from Tilbury, and we don’t get out of the gate unless we’ve ratchet strapped the load. So most of us will take at least 10 straps and plenty of corners with us.I suppose there’s a reasonable argument that if the lorry was unfortunate enought to roll over, a load strapped correctly would be less likely to come shooting through the fibreglass roof and into the path of other traffic than a load ‘restrained’ with internals. So it’s not just about whether a load will come through the curtains.
I too pick up reels out of Tilbury…And have done for the last 10yrs…If your on about Stora…Then that not getting out the gate without strapping them.Has’nt been implemented long…But its there rules and i’m payed hourly so i’m really not fussed about strapping them.Although having said that.We take loads to Thurrrock.And the reels are all large singles.Staggered load.And you really would have to go some to have them move…
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I’m not sure if it’s Stora, but it’s a huge paper warehouse in Berth 26. Little Chinese fellas in the gatehouse, all hard hats and torches. It’s been implemented a few months because I remember going in, swapping trailers, and buggering off again, no hassle.
ezydriver:
daftvader:
ezydriver:
We pick up reels from Tilbury, and we don’t get out of the gate unless we’ve ratchet strapped the load. So most of us will take at least 10 straps and plenty of corners with us.I suppose there’s a reasonable argument that if the lorry was unfortunate enought to roll over, a load strapped correctly would be less likely to come shooting through the fibreglass roof and into the path of other traffic than a load ‘restrained’ with internals. So it’s not just about whether a load will come through the curtains.
I too pick up reels out of Tilbury…And have done for the last 10yrs…If your on about Stora…Then that not getting out the gate without strapping them.Has’nt been implemented long…But its there rules and i’m payed hourly so i’m really not fussed about strapping them.Although having said that.We take loads to Thurrrock.And the reels are all large singles.Staggered load.And you really would have to go some to have them move…
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I’m not sure if it’s Stora, but it’s a huge paper warehouse in Berth 26. Little Chinese fellas in the gatehouse, all hard hats and torches. It’s been implemented a few months because I remember going in, swapping trailers, and buggering off again, no hassle.
Yeah thats Stora Enso paper…And like you say.Its only a recent thing they have been doing…
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Yeah…back in the day they laid them down, 2 scotches nailed behind each reel…never ever moved, then some idiot decided to stand them up…I believe there is no protection in this industry whatsoever…and the driver gets it all the time, the office will deny ever telling you this or that, and drivers know where the straps are kept…sorry but i want a perfect world, and goods for transport should be packaged for transport…they would be for a ship, or a plane, so why not for the truck…wooden crates, properly packaged, proper cling film ( not the kitchen variety most companies use ) and if you want me to carry fragile loads, be prepared for me to strap them, as its my fine if caught without them.
My boss sent me to pick up a load of reels for france…so pulled in the factory, got told to wait until called, and open the curtains before hand…so the guys were very helpful there, asked did i have rubber mats NO…did i have 20 ratchet straps NO, did i have corner boards NO…dont worry he said…supplied everything…then sent my boss a bill for £80…so always be prepared for the load you are collecting…most bosses dont tell you though…so its a guessing game most times…
Most internals that hang from the roof are maximum LC350daN - that’s 350kg. That means they have a breaking strain of about 700kg. So how does that hold a 3t reel?
An internal is also limited by the strength of the structure it is attached to, which in most cases isn’t much.
All recognised guidance would tell you these reels CAN move and once they do you won’t be able to stop them. It’s all down to Newtons Three Laws of Motion. The idea is that straps etc are used to prevent movement in the first place. We can calculate all that using a basic calculation from BSEN 12195-1:2010 or VDI2700
A 3t reel with only 0.3 coefficient of friction will start moving if a force of over 0.3 is applied to it (Newtons 2nd law). All known guidance tells us that driving ‘may’ involve forces of up to 0.5 sideways and 0.8 forwards. Therefore friction alone will not stop it sliding unless we increase the coefficient of friction to 0.8 or more.
Therefore we apply overstraps that are tensioned and supply an extra downwards force to multiply/increase the effective coefficient of friction. Most normal ratchets may well be 5t breaking strain but the ratchet and hand power will only apply a pretension of about 350 - 450daN
So - a 3t reel with 0.3 coefficient of friction would require 4 straps tensioned to 346daN to actually stop it moving sideways and 8 straps tensioned to a minimum of 432daN to stop forwards movement if away from the headboard.
I think what needs to be remembered is how much strength has been removed from trailers now.
Years ago the headboard on a tautliner would be strong, the metal up the sides of the bed (side rave we call it round here) would be mild steel and the roof strap rails were strong.
Nowadays these trailers have such little strength you have to view them as just weather protection.
I never did ratchet strap reels back then, but I would now.
Also for anyone saying they won’t move, they will. I have seen the way they destroyed a trailer and cab when they all moved forward in a shunt on the motorway.
And for those saying ‘drive to the road’, I once had a red air line go when a knackered exhaust burnt it. Not good.