ere we go oil oil oil just what i was saying nothing to do with this debate ye there was oil which scotland have had many benefits .tell me what would be running the rest of europe with once your oil l.o/l has gone which it basically has. just same ol crap next u want us all wearing kilts next im bored now of closset racist lets just see who is the victor shortly 
stevejones:
ere we go oil oil oil just what i was saying nothing to do with this debate ye there was oil which scotland have had many benefits .tell me what would be running the rest of europe with once your oil l.o/l has gone which it basically has. just same ol crap next u want us all wearing kilts next im bored now of closset racist lets just see who is the victor shortlyWhat is the matter cant take it when you get some facts put in front of you,awful glad you are bored maybe you will go away now and stop all this dribble you come out with this Thread is meant for People with sensible comments, all you seem to want is to slag off anybody with views you don,t agree with also you must have Racist in the Brain as you have been at it again.
stevejones:
im english/irish.i dont mind they got the vote .but as saying english do everything by guns bullets u really need a history lesson remember those 2 world wars where english/scottish/welshmen/irishmen stood together as friends to give us freedom u ones ■■■■■■■■ oh hes english/scottish whatevef should be ashamed of yourself and remember you are already walking around in clover compared to what those men and women went thru .when u gonna get it all politicians either scottish/english do not give a [zb] about joe public .
It isn’t quite as simple as that.At least in WW2 Ireland was actually neutral.
While in the case of the Irish nationalist forces during WW1 they actually received help from Germany to fight against the English.Being that Churchill and the government weren’t only stupid enough to enter a war there was no need to while also deciding to go to war with the Irish nationalists instead of settling the Irish dispute there and then instead of waiting until the early 1920’s.
As for WW2 Ireland actually risked it’s neutral status to help Britain’s war effort while there’s no inconsistency between fighting for what is right and sympathising with the nationalist,as opposed to the unionist, cause.
Ironically in the case of WW1 the British went to war to support the Serbian nationalist uprising against Austria while also going to war to stop exactly the same thing against Britain in Ireland.While the Irish nationalist forces were happy enough ( by necessity ) to accept help from Austria’s ally Germany.
As for the British union not being historically forged by force not choice that’s bs.Hopefully we’re now on the way to seeing that put right.Which just leaves the question why are the English so keen on the UK union and federation. 
Carryfast:
stevejones:
im english/irish.i dont mind they got the vote .but as saying english do everything by guns bullets u really need a history lesson remember those 2 world wars where english/scottish/welshmen/irishmen stood together as friends to give us freedom u ones ■■■■■■■■ oh hes english/scottish whatevef should be ashamed of yourself and remember you are already walking around in clover compared to what those men and women went thru .when u gonna get it all politicians either scottish/english do not give a [zb] about joe public .It isn’t quite as simple as that.At least in WW2 Ireland was actually neutral.
While in the case of the Irish nationalist forces during WW1 they actually received help from Germany to fight against the English.Being that Churchill and the government weren’t only stupid enough to enter a war there was no need to while also deciding to go to war with the Irish nationalists instead of settling the Irish dispute there and then instead of waiting until the early 1920’s.
As for WW2 Ireland actually risked it’s neutral status to help Britain’s war effort while there’s no inconsistency between fighting for what is right and sympathising with the nationalist,as opposed to the unionist, cause.
Ironically in the case of WW1 the British went to war to support the Serbian nationalist uprising against Austria while also going to war to stop exactly the same thing against Britain in Ireland.While the Irish nationalist forces were happy enough ( by necessity ) to accept help from Austria’s ally Germany.
As for the British union not being historically forged by force not choice that’s bs.Hopefully we’re now on the way to seeing that put right.Which just leaves the question why are the English so keen on the UK union and federation.
Everyone needs to calm down. I know loads of scots and always ask them what they want to and think will happen and it seems only Alex salmond want it but even he don’t think it will happen. He’s just another tony Blair. I think he was expelled from the SNP once. I reckon by what’s being said on here there are more northern Irish that want independence for Scotland than than the scots themselves but the scots are not that stupid.
ERF MAN:
Carryfast:
stevejones:
im english/irish.i dont mind they got the vote .but as saying english do everything by guns bullets u really need a history lesson remember those 2 world wars where english/scottish/welshmen/irishmen stood together as friends to give us freedom u ones ■■■■■■■■ oh hes english/scottish whatevef should be ashamed of yourself and remember you are already walking around in clover compared to what those men and women went thru .when u gonna get it all politicians either scottish/english do not give a [zb] about joe public .It isn’t quite as simple as that.At least in WW2 Ireland was actually neutral.
While in the case of the Irish nationalist forces during WW1 they actually received help from Germany to fight against the English.Being that Churchill and the government weren’t only stupid enough to enter a war there was no need to while also deciding to go to war with the Irish nationalists instead of settling the Irish dispute there and then instead of waiting until the early 1920’s.
As for WW2 Ireland actually risked it’s neutral status to help Britain’s war effort while there’s no inconsistency between fighting for what is right and sympathising with the nationalist,as opposed to the unionist, cause.
Ironically in the case of WW1 the British went to war to support the Serbian nationalist uprising against Austria while also going to war to stop exactly the same thing against Britain in Ireland.While the Irish nationalist forces were happy enough ( by necessity ) to accept help from Austria’s ally Germany.
As for the British union not being historically forged by force not choice that’s bs.Hopefully we’re now on the way to seeing that put right.Which just leaves the question why are the English so keen on the UK union and federation.
Everyone needs to calm down. I know loads of scots and always ask them what they want to and think will happen and it seems only Alex salmond want it but even he don’t think it will happen. He’s just another tony Blair. I think he was expelled from the SNP once. I reckon by what’s being said on here there are more northern Irish that want independence for Scotland than than the scots themselves but the scots are not that stupid.
As I’ve said elsewhere the idea of Northern Ireland being united with the South and Scottish independence is a total red herring.The Union needs to be broken up by England and the English calling it a day and realising that it’s benefits are way outweighed by it’s drawbacks in the case of historic wrongs and the idea of national identity.
IE it’s all about what the English decide to do thereby making the union an irrelevance.In which case the question remains what is it in the English mindset that makes the idea of the UK union so important as opposed to breaking Britain up and returning it to it’s historic national identities.In which case it’s really time that we had a referendum as to returning England back to where it belongs within it’s own borders and in which all the nations that make up the British Isles have the right to call ourselves what we are and govern ourselves accordingly.
As for Salmand yes he’s a Socialist who can’t justify the contradiction between supporting Scottish nationalism and EU federal membership.By that standard nor can the Irish or English governments.However that’s an issue that needs sorting out at local level by the relevant populations not by continuing with the flawed idea of ‘union’ between what are seperate nations.
Carryfast:
ERF MAN:
Carryfast:
stevejones:
im english/irish.i dont mind they got the vote .but as saying english do everything by guns bullets u really need a history lesson remember those 2 world wars where english/scottish/welshmen/irishmen stood together as friends to give us freedom u ones ■■■■■■■■ oh hes english/scottish whatevef should be ashamed of yourself and remember you are already walking around in clover compared to what those men and women went thru .when u gonna get it all politicians either scottish/english do not give a [zb] about joe public .It isn’t quite as simple as that.At least in WW2 Ireland was actually neutral.
While in the case of the Irish nationalist forces during WW1 they actually received help from Germany to fight against the English.Being that Churchill and the government weren’t only stupid enough to enter a war there was no need to while also deciding to go to war with the Irish nationalists instead of settling the Irish dispute there and then instead of waiting until the early 1920’s.
As for WW2 Ireland actually risked it’s neutral status to help Britain’s war effort while there’s no inconsistency between fighting for what is right and sympathising with the nationalist,as opposed to the unionist, cause.
Ironically in the case of WW1 the British went to war to support the Serbian nationalist uprising against Austria while also going to war to stop exactly the same thing against Britain in Ireland.While the Irish nationalist forces were happy enough ( by necessity ) to accept help from Austria’s ally Germany.
As for the British union not being historically forged by force not choice that’s bs.Hopefully we’re now on the way to seeing that put right.Which just leaves the question why are the English so keen on the UK union and federation.
Everyone needs to calm down. I know loads of scots and always ask them what they want to and think will happen and it seems only Alex salmond want it but even he don’t think it will happen. He’s just another tony Blair. I think he was expelled from the SNP once. I reckon by what’s being said on here there are more northern Irish that want independence for Scotland than than the scots themselves but the scots are not that stupid.
As I’ve said elsewhere the idea of Northern Ireland being united with the South and Scottish independence is a total red herring.The Union needs to be broken up by England and the English calling it a day and realising that it’s benefits are way outweighed by it’s drawbacks in the case of historic wrongs and the idea of national identity.
IE it’s all about what the English decide to do thereby making the union an irrelevance.In which case the question remains what is it in the English mindset that makes the idea of the UK union so important as opposed to breaking Britain up and returning it to it’s historic national identities.In which case it’s really time that we had a referendum as to returning England back to where it belongs within it’s own borders and in which all the nations that make up the British Isles have the right to call ourselves what we are and govern ourselves accordingly.
As for Salmand yes he’s a Socialist who can’t justify the contradiction between supporting Scottish nationalism and EU federal membership.By that standard nor can the Irish or English governments.However that’s an issue that needs sorting out at local level by the relevant populations not by continuing with the flawed idea of ‘union’ between what are seperate nations.
Erf man what makes you think norn irish care just because I do its the Scottish choice has f all to do with us
Curryfest not sure the whole union should be broke up the Welsh seem happy enough with it the way it is
As for northern ireland it will be United with the republic some day there are more nationalist now than unionist now
Irish lorrys, what I am saying is that i think the scots I know are representative of the working man in Scotland and they are saying it’s all about Alex salmon on his power trip, they don’t think it will happen and they’re not worried about it. I know a lot who give it the poor little us and London takes libitys with us and I tell them that London takes libitys with us English as well. Forget about parliament for a moment and most of us say go if you want to, NI as we’ll for that matter, but I don’t think you will. Why would you? When your as old as me and know how hard it is to pay the bills you will understand. By then that prat salmon will have been exposed. Delusions of grandeur and he would sell em down the river if he could. Use your heads boys
I would be happy if unionist and nationalist were treated the same as for Scotland it’s hard to know what will happen
irish lorries:
Curryfest not sure the whole union should be broke up the Welsh seem happy enough with it the way it isAs for northern ireland it will be United with the republic some day there are more nationalist now than unionist now
Assuming that England eventually does the right thing by returning England to it’s own borders then Wales will automatically obviously become an independent nation again just like Scotland etc.If you’re right about that Nationalist majority in Ulster then that just provides even more reason for the government here to dissolve the union at it’s start point instead of at the edges.
As always the problem seems to be in the mindset of too many of the English who for some reason have a problem with a seperate nation state British Isles.That mindset being the main obstacle to sorting the whole issue out in a matter of weeks/months not years. 
Carryfast:
irish lorries:
Curryfest not sure the whole union should be broke up the Welsh seem happy enough with it the way it isAs for northern ireland it will be United with the republic some day there are more nationalist now than unionist now
Assuming that England eventually does the right thing by returning England to it’s own borders then Wales will automatically obviously become an independent nation again just like Scotland etc.If you’re right about that Nationalist majority in Ulster then that just provides even more reason for the government here to dissolve the union at it’s start point instead of at the edges.
As always the problem seems to be in the mindset of too many of the English who for some reason have a problem with a seperate nation state British Isles.That mindset being the main obstacle to sorting the whole issue out in a matter of weeks/months not years.
Where are you from
The Welsh seem happy the way it is if they get the choice don’t think they would go independent
irish lorries:
Carryfast:
irish lorries:
Curryfest not sure the whole union should be broke up the Welsh seem happy enough with it the way it isAs for northern ireland it will be United with the republic some day there are more nationalist now than unionist now
Assuming that England eventually does the right thing by returning England to it’s own borders then Wales will automatically obviously become an independent nation again just like Scotland etc.If you’re right about that Nationalist majority in Ulster then that just provides even more reason for the government here to dissolve the union at it’s start point instead of at the edges.
As always the problem seems to be in the mindset of too many of the English who for some reason have a problem with a seperate nation state British Isles.That mindset being the main obstacle to sorting the whole issue out in a matter of weeks/months not years.
Where are you from
The Welsh seem happy the way it is if they get the choice don’t think they would go independent
As I’ve said elsewhere I’m English but with a small Irish nationalist family background by maternal Grandmother too.Knowing the grief that the idea of the UK union caused to her family amongst many others historically I’d say that the idea of union is a festering wound that should have been healed by dissolving it at it’s start point here for once and for all long ago.As for the Welsh the idea that there isn’t also a strong nationalist movement there might be an understatement.
I really can’t understand why so many of the English can’t seem to get their heads around living under this flag within their own borders and finally put the idea of the union and all the heartache it’s caused throughout history behind us.
carryfast im welsh through and through and proud im also proud too be british queen and country yes I do want us all too stay together don’t you think all the people who don’t like us are watching and hoping scots go it alone seeing us falling apart and loving it dividing. I will always support irland Scotland England. no matter wat u say we all need each other I myself think your a troublemaking nut yes ill get crap obout this regards rowly ward
rward:
carryfast im welsh through and through and proud im also proud too be british queen and country yes I do want us all too stay together don’t you think all the people who don’t like us are watching and hoping scots go it alone seeing us falling apart and loving it dividing. I will always support irland Scotland England. no matter wat u say we all need each other I myself think your a troublemaking nut yes ill get crap obout this regards rowly ward
Well said Rward, & there is no crap from me, This C/F Geeza is well known on this thread for his outrageous opinions, IMO He knows sweet ■■■■ all about anything, He is a dreamer, Regards Larry.
rward:
carryfast im welsh through and through and proud im also proud too be british queen and country yes I do want us all too stay together don’t you think all the people who don’t like us are watching and hoping scots go it alone seeing us falling apart and loving it dividing. I will always support irland Scotland England. no matter wat u say we all need each other I myself think your a troublemaking nut yes ill get crap obout this regards rowly ward
I don’t think your ideas make any more sense than saying that Sweden and Norway must be re joined as one country again for the same reasons.
Carryfast:
irish lorries:
Carryfast:
irish lorries:
Curryfest not sure the whole union should be broke up the Welsh seem happy enough with it the way it isAs for northern ireland it will be United with the republic some day there are more nationalist now than unionist now
Assuming that England eventually does the right thing by returning England to it’s own borders then Wales will automatically obviously become an independent nation again just like Scotland etc.If you’re right about that Nationalist majority in Ulster then that just provides even more reason for the government here to dissolve the union at it’s start point instead of at the edges.
As always the problem seems to be in the mindset of too many of the English who for some reason have a problem with a seperate nation state British Isles.That mindset being the main obstacle to sorting the whole issue out in a matter of weeks/months not years.
Where are you from
The Welsh seem happy the way it is if they get the choice don’t think they would go independent
As I’ve said elsewhere I’m English but with a small Irish nationalist family background by maternal Grandmother too.Knowing the grief that the idea of the UK union caused to her family amongst many others historically I’d say that the idea of union is a festering wound that should have been healed by dissolving it at it’s start point here for once and for all long ago.As for the Welsh the idea that there isn’t also a strong nationalist movement there might be an understatement.
I really can’t understand why so many of the English can’t seem to get their heads around living under this flag within their own borders and finally put the idea of the union and all the heartache it’s caused throughout history behind us.
lets see what the percentage is, i think you will be surprised and probably disappointed, you too Irish Lorrys. The thing is its not like you want out of the EU, that i could understand. anyway this is the best thread on here tonight and i do not want to offend anybody, its not personal, lets hope it stays that way
Lawrence Dunbar:
rward:
carryfast im welsh through and through and proud im also proud too be british queen and country yes I do want us all too stay together don’t you think all the people who don’t like us are watching and hoping scots go it alone seeing us falling apart and loving it dividing. I will always support irland Scotland England. no matter wat u say we all need each other I myself think your a troublemaking nut yes ill get crap obout this regards rowly wardWell said Rward, & there is no crap from me, This C/F Geeza is well known on this thread for his outrageous opinions, IMO He knows sweet [zb] all about anything, He is a dreamer, Regards Larry.
‘Outrageous opinions’ because they don’t agree with yours.Sounds like the worst aspects of everything which I’ve said is bad about the UK union to me.
ERF MAN:
Carryfast:
irish lorries:
Carryfast:
irish lorries:
Curryfest not sure the whole union should be broke up the Welsh seem happy enough with it the way it isAs for northern ireland it will be United with the republic some day there are more nationalist now than unionist now
Assuming that England eventually does the right thing by returning England to it’s own borders then Wales will automatically obviously become an independent nation again just like Scotland etc.If you’re right about that Nationalist majority in Ulster then that just provides even more reason for the government here to dissolve the union at it’s start point instead of at the edges.
As always the problem seems to be in the mindset of too many of the English who for some reason have a problem with a seperate nation state British Isles.That mindset being the main obstacle to sorting the whole issue out in a matter of weeks/months not years.
Where are you from
The Welsh seem happy the way it is if they get the choice don’t think they would go independent
As I’ve said elsewhere I’m English but with a small Irish nationalist family background by maternal Grandmother too.Knowing the grief that the idea of the UK union caused to her family amongst many others historically I’d say that the idea of union is a festering wound that should have been healed by dissolving it at it’s start point here for once and for all long ago.As for the Welsh the idea that there isn’t also a strong nationalist movement there might be an understatement.
I really can’t understand why so many of the English can’t seem to get their heads around living under this flag within their own borders and finally put the idea of the union and all the heartache it’s caused throughout history behind us.
lets see what the percentage is, i think you will be surprised and probably disappointed, you too Irish Lorrys. The thing is its not like you want out of the EU, that i could understand. anyway this is the best thread on here tonight and i do not want to offend anybody, its not personal, lets hope it stays that way
Nothing personal from me, Just facts, Anyway lifes to short to fall out out with anyone IMO, Regards Larry.
So now this has gone from the Scottish referendum to Carryfast campaigning for an English referendum, presumably with Leatherhead as its capital ffs
ERF MAN:
Carryfast:
irish lorries:
Carryfast:
irish lorries:
Curryfest not sure the whole union should be broke up the Welsh seem happy enough with it the way it isAs for northern ireland it will be United with the republic some day there are more nationalist now than unionist now
Assuming that England eventually does the right thing by returning England to it’s own borders then Wales will automatically obviously become an independent nation again just like Scotland etc.If you’re right about that Nationalist majority in Ulster then that just provides even more reason for the government here to dissolve the union at it’s start point instead of at the edges.
As always the problem seems to be in the mindset of too many of the English who for some reason have a problem with a seperate nation state British Isles.That mindset being the main obstacle to sorting the whole issue out in a matter of weeks/months not years.
Where are you from
The Welsh seem happy the way it is if they get the choice don’t think they would go independent
As I’ve said elsewhere I’m English but with a small Irish nationalist family background by maternal Grandmother too.Knowing the grief that the idea of the UK union caused to her family amongst many others historically I’d say that the idea of union is a festering wound that should have been healed by dissolving it at it’s start point here for once and for all long ago.As for the Welsh the idea that there isn’t also a strong nationalist movement there might be an understatement.
I really can’t understand why so many of the English can’t seem to get their heads around living under this flag within their own borders and finally put the idea of the union and all the heartache it’s caused throughout history behind us.
lets see what the percentage is, i think you will be surprised and probably disappointed, you too Irish Lorrys. The thing is its not like you want out of the EU, that i could understand. anyway this is the best thread on here tonight and i do not want to offend anybody, its not personal, lets hope it stays that way
The idea of supporting the UK union ( federation ) while ( rightly ) being against the EU federation is a contradiction.Just like the idea of Salmand supporting the idea of nationalism when it suits him and federalism when it doesn’t.IE all the reasons why federalism is bad in the case of the EU don’t suddenly change in the case of the UK union.