BillyHunt:
‘…I’m getting the feeling you don’t like the PM, as opposed to the love fest you want with someone that’s never managed to con enough people in seven or so attempts at the ballot box to get a seat in parliament. I’d be interested to know where all you nige lovers will be once you realise he’s not the messiah you hope him to be…’
The current inadequate PM is writing his own obituary with every day he is eeking out - with his unconvincing non-majority which any other recent Tory leader woulda won at the last election.
Gordon Brown gave the 2010 election to cameron, FFS, yet he and you scaredy, blind-blues blew it by perpetuating your very evident pro-EU mediocrity
The fact that UKIP is yet to achieve a majority tribe is true, and even if a name change necessarily becomes imminent, Mr Farage has given his word as bondand delivered in industry as well as politics - which Cameron can only aspire/perspire to.
BillyHunt:
‘…It ok to stand on the outside shouting the odds when you have no chance to be put in a position to do anything about it, it’s another to be thrust into the daily business of running a country, just ask the lib dems…’
Your advocacy to tribal loyalty perhaps ought not blindly expect a continuation of that sad practice forever: Single issue politics is seeing the EU being that very issue which is irking millions in the UK today - yet all DC does is continually patronise us all
That the Lib-Dims ever saw office was at the behest of chinless Cameron and other than encourage our Brother Jocks to vote ‘YES’ I need write no more
erfguy:
Threewheelsonmywagon. Oh you are getting a bit near the bone there I am surprised your post hasny been removed SLANDER and all this you know. Eddie.
Why is he saying slander ? 100% the TRUTH, we all know the dam jocks run bent 99% of the time, glad we can break away from you “lot”…THIS IS ENGLAND !!!
erfguy:
Threewheelsonmywagon. Oh you are getting a bit near the bone there I am surprised your post hasny been removed SLANDER and all this you know. Eddie.
Why is he saying slander ? 100% the TRUTH, we all know the dam jocks run bent 99% of the time, glad we can break away from you “lot”…THIS IS ENGLAND !!!
Winseer:
As I said, 51/49% is now civil wars start…
With the polls reflecting “too close to call” for some days now - the longer that “closeness” goes on, the worse it will be after the result is in.
Its ridiculous that we have come to this, since Blair & his government let the devolution genie out of the bottle the political scene in Scotland has got out of control, now we are reaping the rewards. I am however still a yes voter, it is the North of England I feel for stuck with the present status quo, places like Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle having their energy & confidence taken away so London can become even more richer & even more detached. It will be a sad day when Union breaks up but it has to happen. You can’t expect the English (or can you?) to underwrite devo max.
P.S. Northern Ireland more per head than any other country including Scotland.
So DubaiTrans you think Scotsmen run 99% bent. If that were the case the courts would be full o Hauliers and they aren’t.
Go and have a lie down son you brain needs a rest. Eddie.
erfguy:
Threewheelsonmywagon. Oh you are getting a bit near the bone there I am surprised your post hasny been removed SLANDER and all this you know. Eddie.
Why is he saying slander ? 100% the TRUTH, we all know the dam jocks run bent 99% of the time, glad we can break away from you “lot”…THIS IS ENGLAND !!!
YOU’RE not breaking away from anywhere. It may well be England where you are, but you’re going nowhere old bean
I’ve been hearing that, should it be a yes vote then they hope to have full independence in place by sometime in 2016! And that’s if it’s all done fairly quickly. Do the brains on here have any idea why it would take so long.
On a similar theme, should the UK, if it exists then, have a massive brain ■■■■ & vote in ukip with a massive majority, how long would it actually take to get out of Europe? My guess would be that it would take quite a while, not over the weekend of the election that’s for sure.
BillyHunt:
I’ve been hearing that, should it be a yes vote then they hope to have full independence in place by sometime in 2016! And that’s if it’s all done fairly quickly. Do the brains on here have any idea why it would take so long.
On a similar theme, should the UK, if it exists then, have a massive brain ■■■■ & vote in ukip with a massive majority, how long would it actually take to get out of Europe? My guess would be that it would take quite a while, not over the weekend of the election that’s for sure.
why would you think it would take a long time for ukip to protect our jobs and homes for people born in this country ?
i shouldnt think it would take that long to tell the eu we have quit and from now on will not recognize eu laws
Winseer:
As I said, 51/49% is now civil wars start…
With the polls reflecting “too close to call” for some days now - the longer that “closeness” goes on, the worse it will be after the result is in.
Its ridiculous that we have come to this, since Blair & his government let the devolution genie out of the bottle the political scene in Scotland has got out of control, now we are reaping the rewards. I am however still a yes voter, it is the North of England I feel for stuck with the present status quo, places like Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle having their energy & confidence taken away so London can become even more richer & even more detached. It will be a sad day when Union breaks up but it has to happen. You can’t expect the English (or can you?) to underwrite devo max.
It’s clear that ‘the English’ in the form of the federalist ruling classes will pay whatever it takes to keep the undemocratic idea of federalism alive wether it be centralised top down government south of the border,the UK union or EU membership.Which just leaves the question what if the Scottish finally do decide to help break up the UK,and we finally vote to leave the EU and call for a more localised form of government in which the national government is answerable to local government in the form of local opt out and veto.It’s my guess that as usual the federalists will probably then show their true colours in relying on force as throughout history wherever it happens to be in the world.
The vote in this case seeming to be nothing but a federalist inspired sham that’s all about creating credibility for more of the same not about providing Scotland with the right to leave the union if/when it ever decides to choose to do so.With the barrage of pro NO propaganda and scare tactics and statements like a no vote will be binding for the foreseeable future being a clue.
BillyHunt:
I’ve been hearing that, should it be a yes vote then they hope to have full independence in place by sometime in 2016! And that’s if it’s all done fairly quickly. Do the brains on here have any idea why it would take so long.
On a similar theme, should the UK, if it exists then, have a massive brain ■■■■ & vote in ukip with a massive majority, how long would it actually take to get out of Europe? My guess would be that it would take quite a while, not over the weekend of the election that’s for sure.
If UKIP were really genuinely an anti federalist party they wouldn’t be supporting the continuation of the UK union and they wouldn’t accept anything other than immediate EU withdrawal assuming an anti federalist UKIP/Conservative co alition is elected to government.Everything about the no campaign in this case and the contradiction in UKIP’s so called anti federalist ideology suggests something very scary going on in the mindset of our ruling classes.
BillyHunt:
I’ve been hearing that, should it be a yes vote then they hope to have full independence in place by sometime in 2016! And that’s if it’s all done fairly quickly. Do the brains on here have any idea why it would take so long.
On a similar theme, should the UK, if it exists then, have a massive brain ■■■■ & vote in ukip with a massive majority, how long would it actually take to get out of Europe? My guess would be that it would take quite a while, not over the weekend of the election that’s for sure.
why would you think it would take a long time for ukip to protect our jobs and homes for people born in this country ?
i shouldnt think it would take that long to tell the eu we have quit and from now on will not recognize eu laws
a simple get stuffed would do the trick : )
Mmm I’m no expert but I think it would take a bit more than that, but I might be wrong.
Scotland v England international football match in November should be interesting.I know of a few lads going up north of the border and it isn’t to watch the match as their first priority.
BillyHunt:
I’ve been hearing that, should it be a yes vote then they hope to have full independence in place by sometime in 2016! And that’s if it’s all done fairly quickly. Do the brains on here have any idea why it would take so long.
On a similar theme, should the UK, if it exists then, have a massive brain ■■■■ & vote in ukip with a massive majority, how long would it actually take to get out of Europe? My guess would be that it would take quite a while, not over the weekend of the election that’s for sure.
why would you think it would take a long time for ukip to protect our jobs and homes for people born in this country ?
i shouldnt think it would take that long to tell the eu we have quit and from now on will not recognize eu laws
a simple get stuffed would do the trick : )
Mmm I’m no expert but I think it would take a bit more than that, but I might be wrong.
Previous experience suggests that federalists don’t like the idea of secession because it upsets their Soviet Stalinist type mindset.What you’re actually saying is that there’s nothing stopping us from withdrawing from the EU within 24 hours of a decision being taken.But the federalists will make that process as difficult and time consuming as possible in the hope that the anti federalist side will eventually give up and forget the idea.That’s assuming they don’t just refuse to recognise the vote and refuse to allow it or just keep on calling for a re election until they get the result they want.If none of that works then the next step is usually resorting to force.
I don’t think most people know, or give a ■■■■ about the deep, thought out, political implications of all this.
All most people want to know is “Do I lose takehome pay/benefits/public services/my job/my cash abroad” - long before anyone worries about all this “national identity” stuff.
Most of the politicians are peddling bull as usual. They don’t give us “information” - instead they give us more bully on “what would happen if” - which sounds often like “We’ll shaft you this way ‘if’”…
Information is key when making any kind of informed decision. If you’re denied it, I refer to Machiavelli’s quote on the subject…
“Beware he who denies you access to information. He dreams of becoming your Master.”
A modern politician would ■■■-■■■ that as being “Oooh! ■■■ discrimination - so we can safely ignore it!”
