matamoros:
Anyone in the world can use sterling as a currency in the same way that many countries use the dollar, the problem in Scotlands case would be where do they obtain these pounds sterling and what do they pay for them with. The source of pounds sterling is the Bank Of England and presumably without a currency union they will not be distributing millions of pounds to Scotland’s banks free of charge.
Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man Gibraltar, The Falklands all use pound sterling. They even make their own equivalents, and its all fully exchangeable ?
“The Bank of England is the central bank for the pound sterling, issuing its own coins and banknotes, and regulating issuance of banknotes by private banks in Scotland and Northern Ireland. Banknotes issued by other jurisdictions are not regulated by the Bank of England; local governments use Bank of England notes as backing for local issuance by allowing them to be exchanged 1:1 at face value.”
To me this means that certain banks that are regulated by the Bank of England are allowed to issue their own sterling notes supported by the Bank of England, other countries use Bank of England notes as backing for their own notes at parity, these notes have to be obtained from the Bank of England.
Scotland will have no such arrangements with the Bank of England and will not be allowed to exchange their own bank notes at parity.
Carryfast:
‘…Basically the idea of federalism is the same wether it be the EU or the UK…’
Er, the Queen apart - and also minus the unelected foreigners dictating ill-considered law to Britons, I assume?
Edited to add PS:
If the Sweaties go indie and divorce us, I shall parry their cockiness and boycott their stuff. I’m an Irish whiskey fella and finding where to source non-Jock porridge/porrige/whatever oats shouldn’t be too difficult. Sure, I shall miss the very ocassional Haggis and the immediate kinship of a nation (with mates) and where I was possibly conceived (I have never had 100% bottle to outright ask my Mum to fully confirm it) - but I’ll doubtless somehow cope
kr79:
If they go indipendent how long before someone posts on here do i need TIR forms to go to glasgow.
If I remember the TIR rules correctly, an independent Scotland without EU membership would mean Scottish hauliers would need TIR plates for euro work, you can imagine ruk and Scotland would have an agreement in place, negating the need for them, it makes no sense not to.
I’m more bothered about my O licence, my operating centre is in england but my vehicles are registered in Scotland.
Assuming a non EU Scotland or England there would be no more need for TIR between England and Scotland than there was between pre EU England and pre EU Ireland and to date Sweden and Norway.
As for operating centres I don’t think there would be anything stopping a Norwegian operator with Norwegian reg vehicles having an ‘operating centre’ ( IE a yard ) in Sweden.It’s only cabotage rules which would probably change.In which case Scotland would need to be cut its import bill massively to survive anyway.Which together with a more road transport friendly government than here regarding fuel taxation and getting a better deal from the oil companies regarding domestic fuel prices can only benefit Scottish haulage operators.
Carryfast:
‘…Basically the idea of federalism is the same wether it be the EU or the UK…’
Er, the Queen apart - and also minus the unelected foreigners dictating ill-considered law to Britons, I assume?
Edited to add PS:
If the Sweaties go indie and divorce us, I shall parry their cockiness and boycott their stuff. I’m an Irish whiskey fella and finding where to source non-Jock porridge/porrige/whatever oats shouldn’t be too difficult. Sure, I shall miss the very ocassional Haggis and the immediate kinship of a nation (with mates) and where I was possibly conceived (I have never had 100% bottle to outright ask my Mum to fully confirm it) - but I’ll doubtless somehow cope
Yes where’s the difference between English policy being decided by block vote in Europe or by a Scottish/Northern Irish margin of MP’s who no English people have voted for in either case.
As for the rest that sounds like more typical unionist bad feeling in adding to the scare tactics and threats of what are effectively trade sanctions against an independent Scotland for it having the nerve to finally tell the union that it has long gone past its sell by date and its time for a friendly mutual seperation.In which case the bond would probably be even stronger but just different in a way that recognises and respects the identity of the different nations of the British Isles.As it should have been if the French invasion hadn’t succeeded in federalising the UK.
we should all be living and working in our own country’s scots irish welsh and english i am all for independance from them all just so long as we put up borders and enforce them so there is no one can come and take an english job and the english can not take a scots job etc
that includes all the other buggers than come over here and take on the jobs that england seems to create they have there own countries to live in and work in yet its poor old england everyone wants to come and live in
i dont know if scotland has a polish comunity in there country ? but its getting dam hard in my small town to find anyone who is english these days. so a big yes from me that we can all have our own countrys but only so long as it really means something
i am fed up with all these scams going on with countires more interested in getting huge pay outs from the European lot who seem to think its fair that the richest countrys have to pay out for the lower countrys that has to stop and each country has to stand in its own 2 feet just like we all have to in our everday lives, not unless you want to go to work and pay me half of your wages of course ? as thats a silly example of how things are today
desypete:
we should all be living and working in our own country’s scots irish welsh and english i am all for independance from them all just so long as we put up borders and enforce them so there is no one can come and take an english job and the english can not take a scots job etc
that includes all the other buggers than come over here and take on the jobs that england seems to create they have there own countries to live in and work in yet its poor old england everyone wants to come and live in
i am fed up with all these scams going on with countires more interested in getting huge pay outs from the European lot who seem to think its fair that the richest countrys have to pay out for the lower countrys that has to stop and each country has to stand in its own 2 feet just like we all have to in our everday lives,
It would probably first need an answer to the questions as to why is England so historically keen on the idea of Britain’s federalisation.With the exception of Athelstan’s mistaken ideas,of which there was apperently plenty of resistance at the time,it certainly isn’t an inherently Anglo Saxon ideology.Local government and the nation state seeming to be the defining ideology of our culture at least before the Norman/French invasion obviously changed things massively beyond recognition in that regard.
Carryfast:
‘…Yes where’s the difference between English policy…’
Hang-on: ‘…English…’?
Politically there is no ‘England’.
your right there is no england its a dirty word if your born in england you can not be proud of it or try to keep your country english as its just not sporting old chap for some reason known only to the political correct nutters
Carryfast:
‘…Yes where’s the difference between English policy…’
Hang-on: ‘…English…’?
Politically there is no ‘England’.
At least not since its identity and was wiped out by the Norman and Plantagenet invasion which also took out the Scottish nation too.However there is no reason why we should recognise that situation in eternity.Which is why the Scottish are now able to start dismantling that Norman/Plantagenet regime.Make no mistake ‘if’ the Scots are bright enough and have the bottle to see that process through the Union will be unviable and finished and England and Scotland etc will again be a nations in their own right for the first time since 1066.It would have been a long time but worth the wait.
Having said that there is no UK by your standard either only the EU and its member states.Which is the flaw in both SNP and UKIP policy in trying to mix and match nationalism and federalism.With the example of Ireland being the exception which proves the rule.Not surprising in that case being that nothing could probably be any worse than its position within the UK union was for it up to 1921.
Carryfast:
‘…Yes where’s the difference between English policy…’
Hang-on: ‘…English…’?
Politically there is no ‘England’.
your right there is no england its a dirty word if your born in england you can not be proud of it or try to keep your country english as its just not sporting old chap for some reason known only to the political correct nutters
The ‘politically correct nutters’ in this case being those who support the original aims of the invading French Norman and Plantagenet regimes in destroying the seperate identities of Scotland and England in favour of the UK union/federation.
The fact is support for the Scottish nationalist cause is also,by implication, support for the English nationalist cause and vice versa in the case of support for the unionist and/or EU cause.Therefore if we want to see England get its country back we need to support the Scots in the same cause.
Perhaps support for the “yes” campaign is now flagging - because there’s plenty of Scots who don’t like the idea of the enemy country of England now being just south of the border, instead of all the way down in Westminster…
As it stands, Scots have got the best of both worlds. The Tories have no say in Scotland already, but Scots swing a big plumb in the halls at Westminster.
…And that’s before one takes “Devo Max” or whatever into account…
Winseer:
Perhaps support for the “yes” campaign is now flagging - because there’s plenty of Scots who don’t like the idea of the enemy country of England now being just south of the border, instead of all the way down in Westminster…
As it stands, Scots have got the best of both worlds. The Tories have no say in Scotland already, but Scots swing a big plumb in the halls at Westminster.
…And that’s before one takes “Devo Max” or whatever into account…
Exactly which is why the argument also needs to now turn into one of an English nationalist cause not just a Scottish one.In which case it is no surprise that the issue has been steered away from that and people like Brown etc would want to keep the situation going,whereby Scottish unionists hold an unrepresentative amount of power over English policy.Hopefully rebel Conservatives and UKIP will now see the stitch up of Unionism for what it is and get their heads around the anti federalist UK cause not just the anti EU one.In creating a totally new nationalist English Conservative alliance run on Anglo Saxon local government lines.Not a UK one run on Norman/Plantagenet and/or French/Scottish lines.In which case whichever way the vote goes for Scottish independence it will hopefully only be the start of the English finally standing up for their own national identity and interests.
I sort of agree with that. We should have the union but england scotland wales and northernireland have there own parliment so the people in the countrys get a say in what concerns each country but we are united for things like the army central bank etc.
merc0447:
My thoughts are it’s gona be tight as [zb], from a monumental yes lead it’s now at around 50/50. Too close so it is.
That’s gona mean half the population are gona be ■■■■■■ off at the result. No like 80/20 or 70/30 it’s going to be like 55/45. Lot of animosity could be created over night.
kr79:
I sort of agree with that. We should have the union but england scotland wales and northernireland have there own parliment so the people in the countrys get a say in what concerns each country but we are united for things like the army central bank etc.
The problem with the idea of centralised economic policy is that the national/economic interest of one isn’t in the national/economic interest of the other.Hence the above comments concerning the Scottish Unionist agenda being more about Scottish MP’s working against the interests of the English in order to get more per head of population for Scotland within the Union.That situation won’t change so long as we’ve got governmental union and/or economic union.The fact is we’re two different nations with two different democratic and economic requirements and both need to stand on their own seperate electoral and economic feet.
merc0447:
My thoughts are it’s gona be tight as [zb], from a monumental yes lead it’s now at around 50/50. Too close so it is.
That’s gona mean half the population are gona be ■■■■■■ off at the result. No like 80/20 or 70/30 it’s going to be like 55/45. Lot of animosity could be created over night.
Exactly. It is already dividing some communities.
The federalist v nationalist argument has always historically had that potential wherever in the world it arises.Which is why its always best to go by the democratic process which is what the continuity faction of the Irish nationalist cause has ( rightly ) finally realised.In which case it doesn’t matter how large or small the majority is just so long as there is a majority.The question in this case being the discrepancy between the SNP parliamentary majority v the alleged lesser majority in favour of independence.Together with the irony that a vote in favour of federalisation in whatever form is actually a vote that compromises democracy itself.Just as in the case of the last vote in favour of EEC/EU membership.
kr79:
May be true but id rather the jocks on side than the french.
To be fair the Americans have been ‘onside’ with us enough times.Having had to go to war with us to get their independence previously.
Ironically the whole issue of the UK federation being a French invention in the form of the Normans/Plantagenets and then gradually re introduced by the French descended/linked Scottish line which followed the defeat of Wallace and then consolidated by the Hanoverian regime.
I wonder how many scots will be thinking of all this historical cabbage prior to casting their votes. I heard a few of the early postal voters getting all upset on the radio because they didn’t have all the facts available prior to making their choice. What I also found a little odd was that out of the 4 interviewed, 2 were English.
matamoros:
To me this means that certain banks that are regulated by the Bank of England are allowed to issue their own sterling notes supported by the Bank of England, other countries use Bank of England notes as backing for their own notes at parity, these notes have to be obtained from the Bank of England.
Scotland will have no such arrangements with the Bank of England and will not be allowed to exchange their own bank notes at parity.
At the minute, Scotland is part owner of the Bank of England. It has already been mooted that in negotiations as to how or would it use the pound its got a great start as it already part owns it.
There has been counter argument to say…if Scotland leaves the UK then its not liable for a say in its share of the Bank of England, if that was true and it was entitled to no benefit from it, then it would also follow that it would not be responsible for anything owing to it either ? I’d doubt that situation would happen, although it would benefit Scotland greatly if it did.
