A thought popped into my head today. I know, get the bunting out, etc!
What exactly would the SNP do if the referendum result is a no to independence? I’m not just talking about Alex Salmond, I mean the whole party. They’ve campaigned for an independent Scotland since their inception and it is their raison d’etre. But if the Scots said, “No thanks, we’ll stay as we are” what then?
DrivingMissDaisy:
ajt:
Alex Salmond / SNP: happy to be ruled by Europe just not by England…You’re just showing your ignorance laddie, like many others.
There was actually a recent tv programme showing that there is actually a section of the Scottish Independence supporters who also support the idea of EU withdrawal.That’s the way to go.
Bacon Sandwich:
A thought popped into my head today. I know, get the bunting out, etc!What exactly would the SNP do if the referendum result is a no to independence? I’m not just talking about Alex Salmond, I mean the whole party. They’ve campaigned for an independent Scotland since their inception and it is their raison d’etre. But if the Scots said, “No thanks, we’ll stay as we are” what then?
Probably the same as UKIP or BNP supporters in the case that the country wants to continue on the same path as it’s gone down so far.Probably along the lines of let it go and let the global free market and the open door immigration policy have the place because it isn’t worth bothering about.In which case Canada or Australia becomes the last refuge for those who don’t want to stay at least for all those who are able to leave the sinking ship. 
Just another plus point for independence IMO, and where I most seriously part company with the SNP view.
I have been campaigning for independence since the Thatcher years but I really can’t be @rsed responding and refuting the clueless/ignorant complete and utter p!sh posted on the subject by those mostly living in southern ingerlund 
I reckon the vote for Scottish independance should also go to the English as well, we could get them out even faster and watch them crumble into nothing!
dew:
I reckon the vote for Scottish independance should also go to the English as well, we could get them out even faster and watch them crumble into nothing!
If there’s a good reason why they should go then that’s as good as any.Hopefully the place will prove all those English,who think they won’t be able to make it on their own,wrong.Don’t forget they’ve got plenty of coal and their heavy industrial products were second to none before the English shut it all down just as we did with our own industry.Scotland is certainly in a better position than Ireland if they decided to go for it and do the job right.
dew:
I reckon the vote for Scottish independance should also go to the English as well, we could get them out even faster and watch them crumble into nothing!
comments like that make me want to leave you lot behind 
but on the whole i am voting no to breaking away. Salmond is only doing it for himself, make a name for himself and retire rich whether he has done good or bad.
like mentioned on first page, we would need a full on overhaul of healthcare, policing, forces. tolls would probably come on bridges and roads.
stay in the UK
dew:
I reckon the vote for Scottish independance should also go to the English as well, we could get them out even faster and watch them crumble into nothing!
Who crumbles Into nothing ■■ The English, the Scottish or Europe ■■
stuartrobbie:
Salmond is only doing it for himself, make a name for himself and retire rich whether he has done good or bad.stay in the UK
Maybe you should familiarise yourself with the First Minister. You can read, can you? You’re not dictating your tripe for someone else to write, maybe?
Of course Eck is a politician and they’re very low on my list of honourable folk normally but if you’re anti-independence try engaging in the conversation with something a bit more cerebral, there’s a good chap.
DrivingMissDaisy:
stuartrobbie:
Salmond is only doing it for himself, make a name for himself and retire rich whether he has done good or bad.stay in the UK
Maybe you should familiarise yourself with the First Minister. You can read, can you? You’re not dictating your tripe for someone else to write, maybe?
Of course Eck is a politician and they’re very low on my list of honourable folk normally but if you’re anti-independence try engaging in the conversation with something a bit more cerebral, there’s a good chap.
So just a another typical British politician who’s a global warming believer when it suits him with an economic policy that’s dependent on flogging off what oil remains in the North Sea while his own people ride bicycles. 
Carryfast:
DrivingMissDaisy:
stuartrobbie:
Salmond is only doing it for himself, make a name for himself and retire rich whether he has done good or bad.stay in the UK
Maybe you should familiarise yourself with the First Minister. You can read, can you? You’re not dictating your tripe for someone else to write, maybe?
Of course Eck is a politician and they’re very low on my list of honourable folk normally but if you’re anti-independence try engaging in the conversation with something a bit more cerebral, there’s a good chap.Same advice for you Curryfart
So just a another typical British politician who’s a global warming believer when it suits him with an economic policy that’s dependent on flogging off what oil remains in the North Sea while his own people ride bicycles.
DrivingMissDaisy:
Carryfast:
DrivingMissDaisy:
stuartrobbie:
Salmond is only doing it for himself, make a name for himself and retire rich whether he has done good or bad.stay in the UK
Maybe you should familiarise yourself with the First Minister. You can read, can you? You’re not dictating your tripe for someone else to write, maybe?
Of course Eck is a politician and they’re very low on my list of honourable folk normally but if you’re anti-independence try engaging in the conversation with something a bit more cerebral, there’s a good chap.Same advice for you Curryfart
So just a another typical British politician who’s a global warming believer when it suits him with an economic policy that’s dependent on flogging off what oil remains in the North Sea while his own people ride bicycles.
Why 
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I’m not anti independence for the Scottish and there’s nothing about what I’ve said which isn’t ‘cerebral’.
So where’s the big difference between Salmond’s ideas compared to Blair’s,Cameron’s and Clegg’s.While he’s on record as basing all of his economic policy on continuing oil production.So assuming he’s all about so called global warming being supposedly caused by fossil fuel use then how does he justify others burning the stuff while his own people have to pay over the odds for so called clean energy when the place is sitting on loads of coal.While oil exports mean faster depletion of reserves and paying as much for oil at home in the domestic market as those in the export markets.When it could all be kept only for use in the domestic market at below world market prices and use the resulting economic growth to provide demand in the economy for domestically produced goods.Which has been the big mistake (misuse) of Britain’s North Sea oil reserves since they were found.
The fact is an independent Scotland under Salmond’s ideas would just sink faster than it would tied to Britain because the causes,of the economic decline,that are bringing Britain down,would bring an independent Scotland down even faster because it would no longer have access to English taxation reserves as a whole which are all that’s keeping Scotland afloat.The fact is the Scottish know all that which is why they won’t have the bottle to vote out.
Unfortunately for us.
Whereas an inedependent Scotland and England,outside the EU,with economies based on Fordist princibles,and abandoning of all the global warming bs for a domestically produced (and consumed) oil,coal and manufacturing based economy,would be a different matter.
Hope that was ‘cerebral’ enough.
I don’t see anyone holding a gun to Scotlands head and without a vote Daisy your view is the same as mine and the rest of the posters, but if you want a political debate, please do not use Wikipedia as your manifesto
There are them that do and those that don’t. I forget the wording but there is something in the TNUK rules about spouting Bollitics
Carryfast:
Bacon Sandwich:
A thought popped into my head today. I know, get the bunting out, etc!What exactly would the SNP do if the referendum result is a no to independence? I’m not just talking about Alex Salmond, I mean the whole party. They’ve campaigned for an independent Scotland since their inception and it is their raison d’etre. But if the Scots said, “No thanks, we’ll stay as we are” what then?
Probably the same as UKIP or BNP supporters in the case that the country wants to continue on the same path as it’s gone down so far.Probably along the lines of let it go and let the global free market and the open door immigration policy have the place because it isn’t worth bothering about.In which case Canada or Australia becomes the last refuge for those who don’t want to stay at least for all those who are able to leave the sinking ship.
Ain’t all beer and skittles on this side of the pond either. Go to the big city’s it’s the same as the big uk city’s concerning immigration and stuff. Back in the uk we moan about the poles carving the job up but you see the amount of Indians who frankly shouldn’t be left in charge of a skateboard let alone something with an engine. Various European drivers plus us Brits. I suppose at the end of the day we are only carving the job up. Realistically you are living in a tin box on your own on mileage pay with no security you can see why people who have choices might not choose to do it.
Only good thing is you are limited to jobs with LMO’s until you get residency so it hasn’t totally screwed the trucking industry like the UK EU situation has.
I think the UK would be better off out of what the EU has become. I’m all for friendly trading terms with your neighbors but you can’t rule so many different country’s and cultures under one government especially with the size of the EU now.What might be a sensible law in the UK may be totally ludicrous in Spain.
We will never leave while any major party is in power and its only a matter of time before turkey joins to provide more cheap labour once all the old eastern bloc country’s wages and costs rise to similar levels to the west.
If Turkey joins it opens the Islam can of worms too.
This whole thing is all a feint to make everyone vote the wrong way on referendum day…
Salmon reminds me of this other ■■■ of a politician…
Winseer:
This whole thing is all a feint to make everyone vote the wrong way on referendum day…Salmon reminds me of this other ■■■ of a politician…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPe1OiKQuk
His policies seem too close to those of Blair,Cam,and Clegg for him to possibly be acting as a so called ‘nationalist’.Scottish member of a Federal EU and global free market supporter more like.While even Farage seems to be all about jumping out of the frying pan of a Federal EU that’s run for the benefit of Germany and Eastern Europe into the fire of closer ties with the global free market economy in which we trade German control for even more Chinese control instead.
For Curryfart and Wheelnut!
unfortunately for us, salmond is pro eu so getting kicked out of the eu would be temporary as that would be his next mission. this whole independence thing is a personal mission which is pointless for us and will only harm us eventually if not sooner. nothing good can come from voting yes in a referendum so lets bin that and push for a referendum on getting the uk out of the eu
Mission one therefore needs to be
(1) Remove Salmon in a fashion that doesn’t allow a later comeback
(2) Vote NO!!! in a EU referendum.
(3) Change the law so people with fishy names famous for going uphill can’t hold public office. 
(4) See (1).