Scania Vabis LV type

I have been investigating the source of those 1957-'63 Magirus cabs. It appears that Kässbohrer might have had a hand in their design and build:

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The above two are, to my knowledge, Kässbohrer cabs of the 1950s. There are similarities to the Magirus/ German LV cab- the bumper trim and the headlamp surround panel. Other styling features are typical German of the period, but the shape of the door is closer to that of the Magirus than the Ackermann one. The grille of the rusty Merc has a similar “pinstripe” design to that on the Magirus.

The “German” LVs almost certainly had the same cab as the 1957-'63 Magirus. Was the cab built by Kässbohrer? Possibly, but it will need confirmation…

I’ve just come across some pics of the Schmid LV75, this time from the driver’s seat:

Thanks to Toprun.ch for the pics:
toprun.ch/truck/2011-04/sw/c … large.html

The Portugese Scania LV75 that was in Belgium recently, is already in Holland for a few months.
It will be restored, in a year or so. There are other projects that have to be finished first.

That is great news. Can we have a photographic record of the restoration, as it happens, please? :smiley: Is it actually an LV75, or a Portuguese special? Are you familiar with any other LV75 restorations in progress? This is one I would like to see in the hands of a skilled sheet-metal worker:


Oh, I almost forgot- welcome to LV heaven, Bowtie!

On the subject of LV restorations, does anyone know anything about progress on these:

This one does not seem to need much work to finish it. Hopefully it will be on the show circuit soon.
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Is this one of those in the British scrapyard, and what happened to it?
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This might give a clue to the appearance of Magirus cabs on LV75 chassis:
conam.info/assemblagebedrijven-b … -hoogeveen

A few extra cabs exiting the factory via the side door would not do anyone any harm.

I would still like to know if Kässbohrer was involved with the design/manufacture of those Magirus cabs. Some of our German colleagues must know. Meine Deutsch ist nicht so gut, so I am not the person to go throwing his weight around the German sites, asking my usual daft questions- best to leave the job to a more cunning linguist, I think!

Those pre-LV75, low-cabbed tractors that we have been calling LV71s? According to this:
archive.commercialmotor.com/arti … e-on-avast

…they are designated V70.

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anorak:
This might give a clue to the appearance of Magirus cabs on LV75 chassis:
conam.info/assemblagebedrijven-b … -hoogeveen

A few extra cabs exiting the factory via the side door would not do anyone any harm.

I would still like to know if Kässbohrer was involved with the design/manufacture of those Magirus cabs. Some of our German colleagues must know. Meine Deutsch ist nicht so gut, so I am not the person to go throwing his weight around the German sites, asking my usual daft questions- best to leave the job to a more cunning linguist, I think!

No remarks were made in this Dutch (not Deutsch nor German) conam-article. Main subject was on the
history of the Dutch “Motorkracht”-importer and their outlets for service and sales. I don’t think that KHD
would risk an adventure in sneaky business with cabs leaving via the side doors, ever heard of warranty?

ERF-Continental:
No remarks were made in this Dutch (not Deutsch nor German) conam-article. Main subject was on the history of the Dutch “Motorkracht”-importer and their outlets for service and sales. I don’t think that KHD
would risk an adventure in sneaky business with cabs leaving via the side doors, ever heard of warranty?

The article states that Magirus vehicles were assembled in Hoogeveen. It would explain why German cabs were fitted onto Dutch (LV75) chassis- IE, the cabs were available locally. Magirus would be happy to sell the cabs, finished or as kits, to a coachbuilder, I would imagine. If the demand was there, why not? The business would not have to be “sneaky”.


The above article says that Hoogeveen NV actually built the cabs on the Magirus chassis that they were assembling. Hoogeveen NV’s relationship with Magirus mirrors Beers’ with Scania Vabis. The cabs look exactly the same as those on German forward control Magirus’- I wonder if Ulm used Hoogeveen-built cabs?

I did not imply that the Conam article was German. I was merely stating that a German-speaking contributor would be better-qualified to investigate the source of the cabs.

With some delay, the LV’s in the 1960 volume of Beroepsvervoer. Only two (except for some advertisements also in the 1961 volume):


C. Disselkoen, De Lier


Gebr. Gijzel, Kapelle/Biezelinge

Regards,

JWK

More LV’s from other Beroepsvervoer volumes to follow…

More great stuff from JWK, thanks very much. :smiley:

I guess the BeGe-cabbed one would be a V70? Either way, it seems to be involved in some sort of driving test.

The 1960 publication date proves that the Roset cab was available from the early stages. It would be nice to chart the introduction dates of the various cabs- at least the ones which were made in big numbers. So far, we have:

De Graaf 1958/9. Source- Commercial Motor.
Roset 1960 (or earlier). Source- Beroepsvervoer.
Werkspoor 1961(?). Source- Commercial Motor.

What about van Eck, and how was Paul e van Weelde connected to Roset? Does Beroepsvervoer have any articles about the various coachbuilders?

Unfortunately, there is no accompanying text to the pictures in Beroepsvervoer. ALso, I haven’t seen specifica articles on the cabbuilders.

Regarding the chassis type you’ll be better informed than me, I think…

From the registration plates, the year of issue (and probably the first registration) can be estimated:

(SB-78-90(?) would mean late 1957) SB-98-90 would mean 1958
TB-38-65(?) would mean mid 1959

It would be possible though, that the conversion to COE was done at a later stage.

More from Beroepsvervoer to follow later.

Regards,

JWK

JWK:

I wish I was better-informed. Fortunately, the journey is as much fun as the destination. :smiley:

The BeGe one is interesting. According to the CM article I posted earlier on this page, those pre-LV75 vehicles were called V70, and the article says that they were unique to the Netherlands. However, SB-98-90 is almost identical, in detail, to the prototype shown in Lindh’s book:


It seems more likely that the vehicle was built in Sweden, for field trials of the forward-control chassis (If so, should we call it an LB75?) There is another clue on the headboard of the trailer. :laughing: Here is another one, which appears to have a lower-mounted cab:


That one is registered SB-99-50, although it is not clear. What date is that?

There are pictures of similar BeGe cabs, mounted much higher, floating around the internet. I guess that those were built on LV75 chassis.

Some more from Beroepsvervoer (1958 and 1959, unfortunately runs are not complete…):

1958 publications:


One of two 150 hp Scania-Vabis buschassis built up as car transporters by Groenewegen. Owned by Fennema of IJmuiden.


Swedish Bégé cab (August 22nd, 1958 issue).

1959 publications:


Again the SB-98-90: 165 hp S-V of C. Disselkoen, De Lier. Pacton trailer with Heida body.


Burg Trailers advertisement.


165 hp LVS 75 of L. van Staalduinen, Maasdijk.

The registrations SB-98-90 (and not SB-78-90 as I first thought…) and SB-99-50 date both from the second half of 1958. TB-30-04 around spring 1959.

Regards,

JWK

Thanks again JWK- I am fascinated by this little corner of automotive history.

I guess the Groenewegen chassis is a B71, given that a B75 would have 165bhp.

While the Burg Trailers tractor unit is definitely a V70, as described in the 1957 Amsterdam Show issue of Commercial Motor, I wonder about these BeGe-cabbed vehicles. Were they built by Beers or Scania-Vabis?

Some LV pics going on ebay. Robert

robert1952:
Some LV pics going on ebay. Robert

Do you have a link?

From the 1963 volume of Beroepsvervoer:

Best regards,

JWK

Excellent! I think JWK’s last post solves a few mysteries:


Observations:

  1. Paul seemed to do what it pleased, regardless of any affiliation with van Weelde.
  2. Their earlier “individual” effort (in my avatar) was far more attractive to the eye, IMO.
  3. The Roset windscreen has found another home.
  4. The LB76 was launched in February(?) and these Paul-cabbed lorries, advertised in a 1963 paper, sport LB76 grilles. Are they LV76s?

Just found this:
nl-nl.facebook.com/oudevrachtwa … d?filter=3
It contains all sorts of old Dutch lorries, but the icing on the cake is this:
nl-nl.facebook.com/oudevrachtwa … 2804973819
At 6:59, there is footage of what appears to be a coachbuilder’s workshop. What is that short-wheelbase chassis, next to the as-yet uncabbed L75? :smiley: Can anyone identify the coachbuilder?


At 9:03, a seemingly brand-new De Graaff-cabbed LV75 artic pulls into a garage, witnessed by lots of men.


At 9:45, what appears to be a B55V approaches.

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At 12:40, a Rondaan-cabbed rigid participates in a parade.


At 14:58, is that a Volvo with a Paul cab? Possibly not. :smiley:

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Comments from more knowledgeable Dutch lorry enthusiasts welcome.