Anyone who has been in this situation and also those who haven’t how would you deal with it?
You’ve voted in favour for strike action and just before its official a group of these lowlife decide to abandon the union,jump in bed with management and make deals were they will be paid when the rest of you are on the gate.Strike is called off at the 11th hour what happens from then on with our scabs?
Could you all be friends again or have they crossed a line (no pun intended) that can never be forgiven and forgotten?
Hmm…this topic has the potential to be slightly interesting and very volatile - not to mention all the personal comments that will inevitably arrive!!
This is ONLY my opinion and I speak for no-one else nor do I expect anyone to agree…
If you have to work with the people then do exactly that, no more. No friends, no christmas cards, no wiping of bums nor sharing of ■■■■. Be polite and civil, help them if its required because it will make everyone’s life easier and perhaps, in time, this will all fade into the dim and distant past and worklife will be normal again.
On the other hand, I think that your opening words (scab, etc…) mean that your mind is already made up… I really do not like a bad atmosphere in the workplace, nor anwhere else for that matter, and someone has to be the first to try, I repeat TRY and put the situation behind them.
2 things spring to mind…
Your bosses are trying to divide and conquer…(and succeeding!!)
and
Life is FAR too short…
Happy New Year to you. I sincerely hope it doesn’t escalate…
Mark Erlite:
Anyone who has been in this situation and also those who haven’t how would you deal with it?
You’ve voted in favour for strike action and just before its official a group of these lowlife decide to abandon the union,jump in bed with management and make deals were they will be paid when the rest of you are on the gate.Strike is called off at the 11th hour what happens from then on with our scabs?
Could you all be friends again or have they crossed a line (no pun intended) that can never be forgiven and forgotten?
How would you deal with the situation?
Mark
I would never be one of the strikers in the first place, nor in any union. If I was your gaffer, you’d be collecting your P45.
I can’t abide union types that think the world owes them a living. Socialist scum the lot of them.
I wouldn’t shop in our local Coop for years because they were collecting food for the striking miners.
There, that should light a few fires, heh, heh, heh.
Mark Erlite:
Anyone who has been in this situation and also those who haven’t how would you deal with it?
You’ve voted in favour for strike action and just before its official a group of these lowlife decide to abandon the union,jump in bed with management and make deals were they will be paid when the rest of you are on the gate.Strike is called off at the 11th hour what happens from then on with our scabs?
Could you all be friends again or have they crossed a line (no pun intended) that can never be forgiven and forgotten?
How would you deal with the situation?
Mark
Doubt nowadays this situation would arise, cause all management would do is threaten to bring in agency drivers and unions would fold. Unions have no power whatsoever in this day and age. I was until 2 years ago an urtu shop steward, then when the company started to announce redundancies the attitude was what do you want us to do about it.
Yes by the way, I would still talk to the lads that wanted to work, everybodies circumstances are different. When I was 16 the company I worked for called a strike and some people crossed the picket line, the atmosphere when it ended was evil and I wouldn`t wish that on anybody.
Mark Erlite, if the boot was on the other foot and you got to a delivery and there was a picket line would you cross it or take the goods back,even if your job depended on it.
Mark Erlite:
Anyone who has been in this situation and also those who haven’t how would you deal with it?
You’ve voted in favour for strike action and just before its official a group of these lowlife decide to abandon the union,jump in bed with management and make deals were they will be paid when the rest of you are on the gate.Strike is called off at the 11th hour what happens from then on with our scabs?
Could you all be friends again or have they crossed a line (no pun intended) that can never be forgiven and forgotten?
How would you deal with the situation?
Mark
You might be asking the wrong audience here. The Tescos drivers where described as overpaid for doing nothing and to cross there lines was fair game. Come to think of it same was said about the Royal Mail drivers. You have to forget it otherwise you will give yourself an ulcer.
So someone is a scab because he can’t afford to go on strike? See if I had a family to feed then they would come first, not the tossers on the picket line. My experience of a union wasn’t a good one, gave away everything and was in bed with Management. ■■■■ the lot of them, they’re useless. Tube drivers in London causing chaos all because they didn’t get triple time or something? The lot of them should be sacked the greedy scum!
Ive never been in a union, and nor do i ever want to be in a union…
Unions create more problems than they solve… period.
There are plenty of other people who are unemployed who i would imagine would be more than eager to get any job at all. So calling a strike is very very silly, especially in the current economic climate…
Me neither, Jon. In fact, I am a scab because I will cross pickets to deliver. I did so recently about half a mile from where I now sit, in fact, when the Coca Cola workers were on strike, throwing bricks at windows and people, shouting obscenities at me but not quite daring to throw anything at me or my vehicle. The strike was over the company ceasing to buy vehicles and contracting the transport out, but none of the drivers were going to lose their jobs.
It is pathetic. I don’t know if the depot is still open in Saskatoon, but I somehow doubt it.
I have also been strike busting in France and Spain. I wonder if the OP thinks I am a scab for doing that…
Mark Erlite:
Anyone who has been in this situation and also those who haven’t how would you deal with it?
You’ve voted in favour for strike action and just before its official a group of these lowlife decide to abandon the union,jump in bed with management and make deals were they will be paid when the rest of you are on the gate.Strike is called off at the 11th hour what happens from then on with our scabs?
Could you all be friends again or have they crossed a line (no pun intended) that can never be forgiven and forgotten?
How would you deal with the situation?
Mark
I would never be one of the strikers in the first place, nor in any union. If I was your gaffer, you’d be collecting your P45.
I can’t abide union types that think the world owes them a living. Socialist scum the lot of them.
I wouldn’t shop in our local Coop for years because they were collecting food for the striking miners.
There, that should light a few fires, heh, heh, heh.
I’m with you mate, all this all for one and one for all bollox is well…a load of bollox
It’s my job, my wages, that pay my bills, so I decide what I do, if I’m not happy with things I’ll see the boss and try to sort it out, if it don’t get sorted I leave and find a job I do like, simple really
Spent this summer working with union guys and they’re the laziest bunch of dimwits that I’ve ever met.Do as little as they can get away with ,if they turn up for work in the first place.Feel a tad sorry for the younger guys because their work ethic is ruined,hey ho,life goes on and fortunately for me it’s elsewhere
BTD,yes the toontown depot is still open,as is the Regina depot,between them they take 10,000ltrs per week from me,long may they continue.
flat to the mat:
Blimey,5 out of 9 replies from Canadian drivers ! Either we don’t like unions or the TV programmes are even worse than normal tonight.
I can’t help thinking that if it wasn’t for unions we would still have ship yards and coal mines, I could be wrong, but somehow doubt it.
All unions I know of look after themselves before the workers, so I have always opted for being independent of them, If I don’t like my job and the boss doesn’t want to change it, I get a job I do like.
They had their place in Victorian Briton, trying to keep little boys out of chimneys but not in today’s world, there are far too many Foreign companies willing to take over anything we do from manufacturing to services, go on strike and someone else will fill the gap.
Scab is a very emotive word, I wonder what the word should be for someone who tries to bring a company to it’s knees when times are hard?
You should always remember, we all have rights, you have the right to strike, and everyone else has the right to work, that was a right the unions fought for so if you try to take it away what does that make you?
I’m a bit of a lone wolf, if I didn’t think I was appreciated in a job, i’d go and find a new one, rather than try and change the conditions, end of.
If they don’t appreciate the drivers enough to keep them happy & you feel you want to make a stand then you should try and convince a few of your like minded pals to secretly find other jobs then all leave on the same day. You’ll never get consensus in this day and age as what’s acceptable to one may not be to another. I’m all up for F you if you don’t want us, that would be the best way to get one up them.
I agree with what has been said. I go to work to pay my bills. If I don’t like the job I get a new one. The company don’t owe me anything.
Why should I be consulted before they change policies or whatever?
Unions are for people who want to be management but can’t, and don’t like the fact that other people make decisions that affect them!
I’ll always cross picket lines because I have a son to feed. If you can afford to go on strike then good luck to you, but please don’t treat me like muck because I can’t.
If you don’t like the job or the terms, go find another one, or go start your own company!
jimti: I can’t help thinking that if it wasn’t for unions we would still have ship yards and coal mines, I could be wrong, but somehow doubt it.
All unions I know of look after themselves before the workers, so I have always opted for being independent of them, If I don’t like my job and the boss doesn’t want to change it, I get a job I do like.
They had their place in Victorian Briton, trying to keep little boys out of chimneys but not in today’s world, there are far too many Foreign companies willing to take over anything we do from manufacturing to services, go on strike and someone else will fill the gap.
Scab is a very emotive word, I wonder what the word should be for someone who tries to bring a company to it’s knees when times are hard?
You should always remember, we all have rights, you have the right to strike, and everyone else has the right to work, that was a right the unions fought for so if you try to take it away what does that make you?
I think you will find if you have a good memory it was Maggies wonderful government that closed mines ,shipyards etc not the unions at that time, but i stand to be corrected, Andy
andytrew:
I think you will find if you have a good memory it was Maggies wonderful government that closed mines ,shipyards etc not the unions at that time, but i stand to be corrected, Andy[/size]
Only twice have I been in a union when I was on the buses. NEVER AGAIN. Both times the union stitched us (the workers) up, whilst the rep got everything he wanted on his rota
The only good thing was when the company tried to stitch me up and the rep (a different one to the above) ripped them to shreds. I went in for a bollocking and came out with an apology
Back to the original question, I would be one of those crossing the picket line because the union would have no control over me not being a member.
Likewise, Who is going to pay your rent/mortgage and feed the family when you are on strike. Fine if is a day or two, but think about it
BA cabin crew have been in dispute for several months now and have lost far more than they will ever gain. “You go on strike, we’ll take your travel perks (read bonus)”
As for how you treat these people, think very carefully. One of them could be your next TM!!!
andytrew:
I think you will find if you have a good memory it was Maggies wonderful government that closed mines ,shipyards etc not the unions at that time, but i stand to be corrected, Andy[/size]
I think you can blame half of that on Scargill.
Tone
Only half?
Would we still be making cars at Longbridge if the Unions had more sense?
I crossed many a picket line in my time. Part of my job was to unload or load second hand plant ands machinery at the docks. I’ve driven through dockyard gates with pickets hanging off the trailer.
Most union dockies were the worst, overpaid, lay-about, lazy jobs-worths I ever had the misfortune to work against.
Unlike The Teamsters, Stateside, that became riddled with corruption and gangsterism, with the exception of certain areas like tanker drivers, bus drivers and in the old BRS days, attempts to unionise the drivers in UK failed, cos we’ were mostly a bunch of bolshy individuals who wouldn’t be organised.
Of course in those days unlike now, not everyone wanted to be a driver, so that gave us clout. It was a filthy, bloody hard job, working long hours in crap conditions. As a technique, “I haven’t come here to be insulted!” and walking, was our defense. There was always another job around the corner to go to.
that can never be forgiven and forgotten?
