“Wow what a bloody waste of time that was. I drove up to Immingham a 500 mile round trip. I was told the work was for 2 weeks but could be for 2 months so I thought why not it would make a change. When I got there I found out the real story it was for only 5 days and that we would have to cross a picket line. The normal 150 tanker drivers went on strike and they wanted us to be there scab drivers. 30 drivers turned up this morning but as soon as we were told what it was all about 22 of us walked out and got in our cars and went home. There are 8 scab lorry drivers getting trained to drive gas tankers lol what a joke they trained me over 10 weeks on a number of different trucks and tanks but the 8 guys who stayed behind will get one days training. I am so glad my house is no where near there, if you hear a big bang and see it on the news it was because the scab drivers had one day training…”
“Wow what a bloody waste of time that was. I drove up to Immingham a 500 mile round trip. I was told the work was for 2 weeks but could be for 2 months so I thought why not it would make a change. When I got there I found out the real story it was for only 5 days and that we would have to cross a picket line. The normal 150 tanker drivers went on strike and they wanted us to be there scab drivers. 30 drivers turned up this morning but as soon as we were told what it was all about 22 of us walked out and got in our cars and went home. There are 8 scab lorry drivers getting trained to drive gas tankers lol what a joke they trained me over 10 weeks on a number of different trucks and tanks but the 8 guys who stayed behind will get one days training. I am so glad my house is no where near there, if you hear a big bang and see it on the news it was because the scab drivers had one day training…”
Is there anything on here about this?
How much of this is Fact, and how much of this is hearsay?
As a lot of stuff posted on facebook can be speculative re-posted stuff from ill informed people
maybe i am lucky never been out of work, if i didn’t like something i always found something else. never even considered striking, it always seems that the guys at the top of the union tree who get paid wether they call their members out on strike or not, now if people are thick enough to follow people like that then they get all they deserve, for god sake we are all struggling in these bad times, people have had to take pay cuts so that businesses can stay operating so that they have a job, pensions have had to be reorganised because there ain’t the money there because of fall in the golbal markets effect stocks and shares which all pensions invest in, we ain’t out the woods yet.
now if i was doing agency work and i had driven 500 mile round trip and it was good money personally i would be driving a tanker now, its the job i am being paid to do so i would do it regardless, he just have to remember when next week comes is he going to be the driver they call? or is it the guy that did the work!
maybe he don’t need the money maybe he does,so if supporting his family means he has to do something he might not like because of principle(not because its illegal) should he do it? hell yes family/bank account first. does he think those tanker drivers would give a rats ■■■ about him if the agency laid him off(answers please on a postage stamp)
“Wow what a bloody waste of time that was. I drove up to Immingham a 500 mile round trip. I was told the work was for 2 weeks but could be for 2 months so I thought why not it would make a change. When I got there I found out the real story it was for only 5 days and that we would have to cross a picket line. The normal 150 tanker drivers went on strike and they wanted us to be there scab drivers. 30 drivers turned up this morning but as soon as we were told what it was all about 22 of us walked out and got in our cars and went home. There are 8 scab lorry drivers getting trained to drive gas tankers lol what a joke they trained me over 10 weeks on a number of different trucks and tanks but the 8 guys who stayed behind will get one days training. I am so glad my house is no where near there, if you hear a big bang and see it on the news it was because the scab drivers had one day training…”
Is there anything on here about this?
How much of this is Fact, and how much of this is hearsay?
As a lot of stuff posted on facebook can be speculative re-posted stuff from ill informed people
He is a personal friend who told me he was driving up there today… the post from him is the result.
wildfire:
maybe i am lucky never been out of work, if i didn’t like something i always found something else. never even considered striking, it always seems that the guys at the top of the union tree who get paid wether they call their members out on strike or not, now if people are thick enough to follow people like that then they get all they deserve, for god sake we are all struggling in these bad times, people have had to take pay cuts so that businesses can stay operating so that they have a job, pensions have had to be reorganised because there ain’t the money there because of fall in the golbal markets effect stocks and shares which all pensions invest in, we ain’t out the woods yet.
now if i was doing agency work and i had driven 500 mile round trip and it was good money personally i would be driving a tanker now, its the job i am being paid to do so i would do it regardless, he just have to remember when next week comes is he going to be the driver they call? or is it the guy that did the work!
maybe he don’t need the money maybe he does,so if supporting his family means he has to do something he might not like because of principle(not because its illegal) should he do it? hell yes family/bank account first. does he think those tanker drivers would give a rats ■■■ about him if the agency laid him off(answers please on a postage stamp)
Probably neither as they will all have been finished in favour of our cheap friends from abroad!
wildfire:
maybe i am lucky never been out of work, if i didn’t like something i always found something else. never even considered striking, it always seems that the guys at the top of the union tree who get paid wether they call their members out on strike or not, now if people are thick enough to follow people like that then they get all they deserve, for god sake we are all struggling in these bad times, people have had to take pay cuts so that businesses can stay operating so that they have a job, pensions have had to be reorganised because there ain’t the money there because of fall in the golbal markets effect stocks and shares which all pensions invest in, we ain’t out the woods yet.
The reason why everyone is struggling is because that argument won out at the the end of the 1970’s and has been followed ever since.The present state of the economy is the result because wages have fallen behind prices and inflation and no one has enough spending power to get the economy out of the zb and even if they did it wouldn’t do any good because the economy now depends on too many imports anyway so the trade deficit would just create more debt.
wildfire:
maybe i am lucky never been out of work, if i didn’t like something i always found something else. never even considered striking, it always seems that the guys at the top of the union tree who get paid wether they call their members out on strike or not, now if people are thick enough to follow people like that then they get all they deserve, for god sake we are all struggling in these bad times, people have had to take pay cuts so that businesses can stay operating so that they have a job, pensions have had to be reorganised because there ain’t the money there because of fall in the golbal markets effect stocks and shares which all pensions invest in, we ain’t out the woods yet.
now if i was doing agency work and i had driven 500 mile round trip and it was good money personally i would be driving a tanker now, its the job i am being paid to do so i would do it regardless, he just have to remember when next week comes is he going to be the driver they call? or is it the guy that did the work!
maybe he don’t need the money maybe he does,so if supporting his family means he has to do something he might not like because of principle(not because its illegal) should he do it? hell yes family/bank account first. does he think those tanker drivers would give a rats ■■■ about him if the agency laid him off(answers please on a postage stamp)
Probably neither as they will all have been finished in favour of our cheap friends from abroad!
i don’t agree that drivers are being laid off because of other eu drivers, i know of companies that are laying off eu drivers before uk drivers
“Wow what a bloody waste of time that was. I drove up to Immingham a 500 mile round trip. I was told the work was for 2 weeks but could be for 2 months so I thought why not it would make a change. When I got there I found out the real story it was for only 5 days and that we would have to cross a picket line. The normal 150 tanker drivers went on strike and they wanted us to be there scab drivers. 30 drivers turned up this morning but as soon as we were told what it was all about 22 of us walked out and got in our cars and went home. There are 8 scab lorry drivers getting trained to drive gas tankers lol what a joke they trained me over 10 weeks on a number of different trucks and tanks but the 8 guys who stayed behind will get one days training. I am so glad my house is no where near there, if you hear a big bang and see it on the news it was because the scab drivers had one day training…”
Is there anything on here about this?
How much of this is Fact, and how much of this is hearsay?
As a lot of stuff posted on facebook can be speculative re-posted stuff from ill informed people
He is a personal friend who told me he was driving up there today… the post from him is the result.
From the information given so far he seems a bit simple.
On one hand a refinary is closing/going bust (Essex) which in turn will leave a lot of people loosing jobs (Including tanker drivers■■?) Then on the other hand there are tanker drivers walking out because of reductions in salary (36,000 down to 32,000 or there abouts) and the reason given by the company is to stable the businesses finances (In otherwards stop it from going the same way as Essex)
So as much as I agree with saying that its wrong to reduce salaries, its another thing when on the grand scheme of things its a necessary evil to maintain the positions.
It then leaves me to think, the drivers are on a bloody decent wage as it is (36,000) and they are walking out? mmmm I’m sure everyone is having to take a hit.
However I have an obvious understanding of the sensitivity of the situation and like (I think it was wheelnut) said in another post, this should probably be moved to the ‘Would you cross a picket line?’ thread
Hay1908:
I have mixed opinions on the subject/dispute.
On one hand a refinary is closing/going bust (Essex) which in turn will leave a lot of people loosing jobs (Including tanker drivers■■?) Then on the other hand there are tanker drivers walking out because of reductions in salary (36,000 down to 32,000 or there abouts) and the reason given by the company is to stable the businesses finances (In otherwards stop it from going the same way as Essex)
So as much as I agree with saying that its wrong to reduce salaries, its another thing when on the grand scheme of things its a necessary evil to maintain the positions.
It then leaves me to think, the drivers are on a bloody decent wage as it is (36,000) and they are walking out? mmmm I’m sure everyone is having to take a hit.
However I have an obvious understanding of the sensitivity of the situation and like (I think it was wheelnut) said in another post, this should probably be moved to the ‘Would you cross a picket line?’ thread
If ‘we’re all in this together’ then maybe it’s time to reintroduce the 98 % income tax rate on high earners such as bankers like the 1970’s so then we can reduce road fuel taxes so we can pay the supply chain for the work they do.
Carryfast:
If ‘we’re all in this together’ then maybe it’s time to reintroduce the 98 % income tax rate on high earners such as bankers like the 1970’s so then we can reduce road fuel taxes so we can pay the supply chain for the work they do.
Yes of course. While we’re at it, let’s have import tariffs so thet we’ve got to buy British goods; that’ll cut down on imports won’t it? And we’ll nationalise all those loss-making industries so that everybody’s got a job too. And turn the power stations off to save fuel, we’ll all go out on strike every five minutes and leave all the rubbish out on the streets.
That ■■■■-eyed idea of yours didn’t work in the 70’s (along with most of Labour’s most faithful supporters if they had half a chance) so why will it work now?
Carryfast:
If ‘we’re all in this together’ then maybe it’s time to reintroduce the 98 % income tax rate on high earners such as bankers like the 1970’s so then we can reduce road fuel taxes so we can pay the supply chain for the work they do.
Yes of course. While we’re at it, let’s have import tariffs so thet we’ve got to buy British goods; that’ll cut down on imports won’t it? And we’ll nationalise all those loss-making industries so that everybody’s got a job too. And turn the power stations off to save fuel, we’ll all go out on strike every five minutes and leave all the rubbish out on the streets.
That ■■■■-eyed idea of yours didn’t work in the 70’s (along with most of Labour’s most faithful supporters if they had half a chance) so why will it work now?
You forgot the grave digger’s strike so people couldn’t bury their loved ones and the bodies were being stored in commercial freezers.
Unions got the kicking they deserved but not before they’d ■■■■■■ the country and destroyed the industries where their members worked - shed loads of unemployed members but the Union leaders still live in mansions paid for by the members, even more self serving, nose in the trough, rectal sphincters than MPs.
Now we’re in the ■■■■■ again, which party was at the helm when it went all went ■■■■ up AGAIN? oh yes…the one that’s almost entirely bankrolled by the unions.
Like most people the value of my pension and savings have taken a hammering (-25% and falling ) given the situation at Coryton refinery the drivers at Immingham desperately need a reality check. We are at the beginning of a global financial meltdown all bets are off as to just how bad its going to get.
Carryfast:
If ‘we’re all in this together’ then maybe it’s time to reintroduce the 98 % income tax rate on high earners such as bankers like the 1970’s so then we can reduce road fuel taxes so we can pay the supply chain for the work they do.
Yes of course. While we’re at it, let’s have import tariffs so thet we’ve got to buy British goods; that’ll cut down on imports won’t it? And we’ll nationalise all those loss-making industries so that everybody’s got a job too. And turn the power stations off to save fuel, we’ll all go out on strike every five minutes and leave all the rubbish out on the streets.
That ■■■■-eyed idea of yours didn’t work in the 70’s (along with most of Labour’s most faithful supporters if they had half a chance) so why will it work now?
You forgot the grave digger’s strike so people couldn’t bury their loved ones and the bodies were being stored in commercial freezers.
Unions got the kicking they deserved but not before they’d [zb] the country and destroyed the industries where their members worked - shed loads of unemployed members but the Union leaders still live in mansions paid for by the members, even more self serving, nose in the trough, rectal sphincters than MPs.
Now we’re in the [zb] again, which party was at the helm when it went all went ■■■■ up AGAIN? oh yes…the one that’s almost entirely bankrolled by the unions.
Like most people the value of my pension and savings have taken a hammering (-25% and falling ) given the situation at Coryton refinery the drivers at Immingham desperately need a reality check. We are at the beginning of a global financial meltdown all bets are off as to just how bad its going to get.
Carryfast:
If ‘we’re all in this together’ then maybe it’s time to reintroduce the 98 % income tax rate on high earners such as bankers like the 1970’s so then we can reduce road fuel taxes so we can pay the supply chain for the work they do.
Yes of course. While we’re at it, let’s have import tariffs so thet we’ve got to buy British goods; that’ll cut down on imports won’t it? And we’ll nationalise all those loss-making industries so that everybody’s got a job too. And turn the power stations off to save fuel, we’ll all go out on strike every five minutes and leave all the rubbish out on the streets.
That ■■■■-eyed idea of yours didn’t work in the 70’s (along with most of Labour’s most faithful supporters if they had half a chance) so why will it work now?
You forgot the grave digger’s strike so people couldn’t bury their loved ones and the bodies were being stored in commercial freezers.
Unions got the kicking they deserved but not before they’d [zb] the country and destroyed the industries where their members worked - shed loads of unemployed members but the Union leaders still live in mansions paid for by the members, even more self serving, nose in the trough, rectal sphincters than MPs.
Now we’re in the [zb] again, which party was at the helm when it went all went ■■■■ up AGAIN? oh yes…the one that’s almost entirely bankrolled by the unions.
Like most people the value of my pension and savings have taken a hammering (-25% and falling ) given the situation at Coryton refinery the drivers at Immingham desperately need a reality check. We are at the beginning of a global financial meltdown all bets are off as to just how bad its going to get.
i totally agree
So let’s just carry on paying unproductive zb’s like bankers and MP’s a fortune out of the zb’d economy that they’ve run into the ground and to add insult to injury the zb’s can keep on telling everyone,who’s earning a lot less,that they have to earn even less and pay more in taxes,while those fat cats keep on paying themselves more and reducing their own tax burden because in the ‘global financial meltdown’ we’re all in this together.
As for the 1970’s the strikes were all about pay v prices.It was prices that went up first not wages.It’s the wage restraint together with unlimited prices so called global free market economy lot who won the argument at the time and since,even under a so called ‘Labour’ government,and that’s why the economy is in the zb.
There’s no way that you’ll get the place out of it by paying the many earning less even less and taxing them even more while the few earning more get even more and get taxed even less and there’s no way that you’ll cut the deficit with an ever widening trade deficit between imports and exports.
“Unions got the kicking they deserved but not before they’d [zb] the country and destroyed the industries where their members worked - shed loads of unemployed members but the Union leaders still live in mansions paid for by the members, even more self serving, nose in the trough, rectal sphincters than MPs.”
And there’s me thinking all these years that is was Maggie Thatcher and her cronies that f******d the country up.
The best paid driving jobs that I have ever had were in the 1970’s before she put the boot in.
Unions did get a bit too big for their boots but the working class of this country has a lot to thank unions for.
matamoros:
“Unions got the kicking they deserved but not before they’d [zb] the country and destroyed the industries where their members worked - shed loads of unemployed members but the Union leaders still live in mansions paid for by the members, even more self serving, nose in the trough, rectal sphincters than MPs.”
And there’s me thinking all these years that is was Maggie Thatcher and her cronies that f******d the country up.
The best paid driving jobs that I have ever had were in the 1970’s before she put the boot in.
Unions did get a bit too big for their boots but the working class of this country has a lot to thank unions for.
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Except that as I remember it it was case of the unions having to get tough or get knocked out and history has been written by the tory zb’s (and so called ‘labour’ zb’s like Calaghan and Healey).The fact is the unions did get tough but still got knocked out by not standing united together when they should have done first against Callaghan in 1978 then against Thatcher in 1984.
Don’t get me wrong I would like to see those largely responsible for the current mess held to account (jailed and fined) and I can see absolutely no justification for executive pay levels being where they are. I’d remove all child benefit from those earning over 50k/pa and I’d beef up HMRC.
Having said that the reality is we are now deep in the financial ‘merde’ and sinking deeper, companies are going to the wall and large numbers of redundancies are announced daily so how come it hasn’t dawned on the Immingham drivers (on £36,000pa) that going on strike might not be a good idea.
You must’ve lived through a different '70s to me Thatcher was voted in because the Labour government was completely ineffective and the unions were running the country holding the rest of us hostage,
Bread shortages
Unburied bodies
Uncollected rubbish piling up in the streets
Power cuts on an almost daily business
National Coal Board having to pay ever increasing rates to miners who were almost perpetually on strike in spite of earning a ■■■■ sight more than anyone else
British Leyland see above not helped by weak management
British Steel see above not helped by weak management
British Rail see above not helped by weak management
British Shipbuilding see above not helped by weak management
But Scargil, McGahey et all came out of it OK so all’s well
When I see posts such as those on here running down other working folks (Not to mention thats your fellow drivers you are talking about!) I despair.
I’m sure employers and politicians take great heart from the divisions amongst workers that we see here.
Perhaps those who would willingly take the alleged agency jobs at Immingham would like to tell me, and everyone else on here, how would they improve wages and conditions in this industry?
I have asked others with the same views as yourselves this question before. Unfortunately, none of them have given any answers.
I dont need to mention (But I will!) that drivers these days work excessive hours for a poor return on effort.
Parking is either, in the main, expensive or non existent.
Toilet facilities are rare.
Vosa and everybodies brother and sister is putting the boot into drivers.
So, all you folks who decry union’s, who decry workers for defending their T & C’s, tell me how YOU would raise pay and conditions in this Industry.
Alex
