JeffA:
You just happily walk off after costing everyone ten million cos you wanted a selfie with the titanic in the background?
No one is walking off anywhere, the CEO is dead. Is that not “just desserts” enough for you to drop this? It’s not your money that has been spent on the rescue attempt, so you have no legitimate beef, and you can see no one is backing you up, so if there is any moral problem under the microscope you might want to look a little closer to home.
I stand by my comment, now and always: You’re at sea, you’re in trouble, you deserve assistance. End of story. If you’d even been rescued while indulging in “selfish” sea-borne recreation (I have, but thankfully the RNLI are of a more humane disposition than you are) you might have a more decent outlook on the situation.
Franglais:
The incident is in International waters isnt it? The nearest rescuers are USA but, Canadian, UK, French, are all helping. Shouldnt there be some international agreements about costs created by private companies? Should there be some oversight of companies turning profit for their own ends?
The next incident could be nearer us. Too late to start negotiations about rules then!
Usually I would consider myself moderately right-wing and would have said you appeared to be a lefty-liberal “Garundian” subscriber, but your cynicism has me wondering if I haven’t gone a bit soft in my old age.
The CEO of OceanGate is dead, anyone remaining with a share in that enterprise will not be “turning a profit”, in fact if they avoid jail and end up living in the gutter they’ll be lucky.
If money is all that matters in this life then we should never have gone to the moon (conspiracy theorists: don’t even think about saying anything), or to Challenger Deep, or be exploring the solar system, or be putting the James Webb telescope into space - $10 billion to look at the end of the universe?
For that matter I imagine research funding for projects that don’t have an obvious human benefit (like curing cancer) must be highly egregious too. I’d better not mention how much funding my projects had from the various research councils, you’d want me made bankrupt for wasting public tax revenue. Especially since (many years ago) I spent a month in Florida at this place, and I wasn’t paying environment.fiu.edu/aquarius/
Have you no sense of human spirit, of exploring strange new worlds? Some of which are right here on earth, eg the hydrothermal vent systems.
JeffA:
When youre doing something purely selfish and expecting people to put themselves in danger for you for free? When youre a billionaire? You cant see any moral problem with that?
You just happily walk off after costing everyone ten million cos you wanted a selfie with the titanic in the background?
When you are in distress at sea then no charge is made for assistance regardless of your financial position or the reason for putting yourself in that position.
“Iain Hughes, from Dudley, started the solo swim with a support boat on Tuesday from Dover before disappearing. Mr Hughes, 42, remains missing despite a search involving military helicopters and navy and police boats”
Mr Hughes is a firefighter based at Wednesbury Fire Station.
I’m far from being wealthy myself, I don’t even own a house. But what I also don’t have is a heart filled with envy and so in many ways I’m a lot wealthier than you.
No envy at all - why do you even assume that? When you see some rich Saudi prince do you instantly feel envy because he has more money than you? Really?
I can’t think of anyone I envy - maybe people who have done something worthwhile and left a positive legacy to the world. That’s about it. Maybe someone who saved a few elephants from being killed - that’s someone I’d envy.
JeffA:
No envy at all - why do you even assume that?
The thread title is a bit of a giveaway here.
It’s only in your mind then. Certainly never crossed my mind. It’s like saying I “envy” saudi princes riding round London in expensive cars. Just wouldn’t cross my mind to be envious of it. I’d be envious of someone spending money to do something good - that I might be envious of but even then - I’ve never felt envy - not an emotion I ever feel.
JeffA:
No envy at all - why do you even assume that?
The thread title is a bit of a giveaway here.
It’s only in your mind then. Certainly never crossed my mind. It’s like saying I “envy” saudi princes riding round London in expensive cars. Just wouldn’t cross my mind to be envious of it. I’d be envious of someone spending money to do something good - that I might be envious of but even then - I’ve never felt envy - not an emotion I ever feel.
JeffA:
No envy at all - why do you even assume that?
The thread title is a bit of a giveaway here.
It’s only in your mind then. Certainly never crossed my mind. It’s like saying I “envy” saudi princes riding round London in expensive cars. Just wouldn’t cross my mind to be envious of it. I’d be envious of someone spending money to do something good - that I might be envious of but even then - I’ve never felt envy - not an emotion I ever feel.
Apologies for interrupting the love fest but I found this on a ex mil site. I have zero expertise in this area so couldn’t challenge it even if I was a contrarian. Sounds like it would have been an exceedingly quick and relatively pain free way to go.
JeffA:
No envy at all - why do you even assume that?
The thread title is a bit of a giveaway here.
It’s only in your mind then. Certainly never crossed my mind. It’s like saying I “envy” saudi princes riding round London in expensive cars. Just wouldn’t cross my mind to be envious of it. I’d be envious of someone spending money to do something good - that I might be envious of but even then - I’ve never felt envy - not an emotion I ever feel.
No, not just in Harry’s mind, mine too, and I believe most other people’s too. The thread title indicates your problem is that the victims were wealthy.
JeffA:
Just wondered if the taxpayer is funding the rescue of the silly billionaires in the titanic sub? Surely if you are paying 250,000 to go there they could have put a few quid towards a rescue vessel?
I wonder if they have accountants making sure they pay hardly any tax and then want the taxpayer to save their sorry behinds.
Edit: Yep, the taxpayer is paying the cost of saving em. Sent 3 military planes and god knows what else:
The ongoing search and rescue effort for the missing Titan submersible with five people on board, involving a huge response from American, Canadian and French authorities, is vast in scale, including both the U.S. Navy and the Coast Guard.
The expense for such an endeavor is likely to be equally great, and it is unclear whether taxpayers in the countries involved, ultimately, will be required to pay it. The passengers aboard the submersible paid $250,000 each for the experience of diving to the Titanic.
“These people paid a lot of money to do something extraordinarily risky and hard to recover from,” said Chris Boyer, the executive director of the National Association for Search and Rescue, a nonprofit that focuses on wilderness rescues. The rescue mission, he said, would “probably cost millions.”
I feel sorry for the young lad , his aunt said he was petrified ( or words to that effect ) , why you’d insist he went I don’t know , you’re meant to protect your kids not put them at risk
The rest no sympathy at all , you reap what you sow
Apparentlly Ross Kemp was planning to do a tv series on diving to the Titanic on that sub, but was advised it was too dangerous even for his type of show,.so it didnt come off.
A guy who spent time on other shows, on the front line in Afghan with the British Army,.and with drug cartel gangs and unpredictable gangsters.
Marky-p:
No doubt if it was George Soros that was in the sub, JeffA would be saying “Poor billionaire, we need to save him with taxpayer funding”.
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Ah yeah because George Soros is such a well known (inter)national treasure. Why not throw a Rothschild in for good measure, or Klaus Schwab. Hilariously daft comment chap
Marky-p:
No doubt if it was George Soros that was in the sub, JeffA would be saying “Poor billionaire, we need to save him with taxpayer funding”.
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Ah yeah because George Soros is such a well known (inter)national treasure. Why not throw a Rothschild in for good measure, or Klaus Schwab. Hilariously daft comment chap
Notice that these “unfortunate accidents” don’t seem to ever take out the Soros, Rothschilds, & Green Agenda sign-ups etc. of the world.
Just those wealthy people who “turned down the Deep State’s Offer” to come and join them, in their cartel of the mighty 1%…
Once upon a time, Zuickerberg of Facebook was a free agent, like Musk still seems to be at this time.
After Trump failed to lose the 2016 election though, he quickly withdrew, and knuckled under to deep state demands, as have done Fox news since as well, of course.
What to do when you’re filthy rich, but get told “We’re going to wipe out your entire family - unless we can own you like we own all the other billionaires on Earth!”
I woudn’t want to swap places with a billionaire right now, nor even change places with one of these 9-figure lottery winners…
“Too much to retain one’s privacy. Too much to keep under the radar. Too much to shut up shop, and relocate before you get that knock on your door with menaces…”
Marky-p:
No doubt if it was George Soros that was in the sub, JeffA would be saying “Poor billionaire, we need to save him with taxpayer funding”.
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Ah yeah because George Soros is such a well known (inter)national treasure. Why not throw a Rothschild in for good measure, or Klaus Schwab. Hilariously daft comment chap
Notice that these “unfortunate accidents” don’t seem to ever take out the Soros, Rothschilds, & Green Agenda sign-ups etc. of the world.
Shocking isn’t it, what with deaths in this way being so very common as they are
Marky-p:
No doubt if it was George Soros that was in the sub, JeffA would be saying “Poor billionaire, we need to save him with taxpayer funding”.
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Ah yeah because George Soros is such a well known (inter)national treasure. Why not throw a Rothschild in for good measure, or Klaus Schwab. Hilariously daft comment chap
Notice that these “unfortunate accidents” don’t seem to ever take out the Soros, Rothschilds, & Green Agenda sign-ups etc. of the world.
Just those wealthy people who “turned down the Deep State’s Offer” to come and join them, in their cartel of the mighty 1%…
Once upon a time, Zuickerberg of Facebook was a free agent, like Musk still seems to be at this time.
After Trump failed to lose the 2016 election though, he quickly withdrew, and knuckled under to deep state demands, as have done Fox news since as well, of course.
What to do when you’re filthy rich, but get told “We’re going to wipe out your entire family - unless we can own you like we own all the other billionaires on Earth!”
I woudn’t want to swap places with a billionaire right now, nor even change places with one of these 9-figure lottery winners…
“Too much to retain one’s privacy. Too much to keep under the radar. Too much to shut up shop, and relocate before you get that knock on your door with menaces…”
I know mate shocking innit.
I mean ‘‘They are all out to get you’’ now as it is…wtf would it be like for you if you got 6 numbers up eh?.
I’d just stay barricaded in your cupboard under the stairs where you are safe.
JeffA:
No envy at all - why do you even assume that?
The thread title is a bit of a giveaway here.
It’s only in your mind then. Certainly never crossed my mind. It’s like saying I “envy” saudi princes riding round London in expensive cars. Just wouldn’t cross my mind to be envious of it. I’d be envious of someone spending money to do something good - that I might be envious of but even then - I’ve never felt envy - not an emotion I ever feel.
No, not just in Harry’s mind, mine too, and I believe most other people’s too. The thread title indicates your problem is that the victims were wealthy.
Not really - they agree with you because you share their politics. Sit in a tory conference and everyone in the room will tongue punch your fartbox for you - that still doesn’t make you right.
And the problem wasn’t that they were wealthy - if you’d bothered to read the post you’dve understood that. If they ever offer to pay for their rescue then I would say fair play to them.
Marky-p:
No doubt if it was George Soros that was in the sub, JeffA would be saying “Poor billionaire, we need to save him with taxpayer funding”.
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No - I’d say he could pay for his rescue too. Obviously.
If I had a billion quid I’d pay for my own rescue - or if that wasn’t possible I’d make a massive donation to the coastguard to rescue other people. Who in their right mind wouldn’t do that?
