Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

fodenway:

pv83:
From a newspaper article, converted Mack that was used for international haulage, not sure why they sort of made a halfcab out of it…?

It has more of a look of a converted Leyland passenger chassis, especially the wheels, and of course, it’s right-hand drive.

Now you’ve mentioned it… no idea why it stated it was a Mack chassis…?

Trucks by then were more or less ‘re-assembled’ with EVERYTHING that was available…probably the radiator belonged
to a Mack and the engine to X and the gear-box to Y and the chassis to Z…silly times…but it kept Europe mobile!

A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

Froggy55:
0A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

A 4-in-line trailer? I thought they were a 60’s invention.

Anyone know off-hand what years the DAF 2000 was built?

EDIT to say that I’ve just come across a good explanation on the internet, so rather than delete my above post, I’ll quote the explanation here for others to enjoy!

"In 1957, DAF launched the 2000 DO series. This was designed to meet the growing requirement in international cross-border trucking, and was initially powered by 11,1-litre, 165bhp Leyland-built 0.680 engines, but subsequently by the DP 680 220bhp engine. The 2000 DO had a 10-ton rear axle designed for operation at a gross vehicle weight of 35 tons, which was allowed in Germany and many other European countries, except Holland.

Its cab was essentially a modified version of that introduced on the 1300, 1600, T1800 and 1900 series., with a large grille on the front to aid engine cooling. However, due to a number of changes in European trucking legislation, the 2000 DO was not the great success it should have been.

A sleeper cab version of the 2000 DO was introduced in 1961, alongside a 6x2 AS model for heavy haulage. The model range was expanded again in 1963 with the introduction of the 2300 DO series. Both ranges shared the same cab style and Leyland 0.680 engines, but they have different axles, giving different weight categories, with the 2300 DO rated up to 35 tons. In 1964, an updated series came to replace 2000 DO / 2300 DO"

Froggy55:
0A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

Nice example of multi-assembling! The trailer is possibly from company R.A.Y. (owner R.A. Yernault) in Brussels Schaerbeeck.

Froggy55:
0A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

I’m looking at the photo, hear a wagon pulling up at the junction opposite our home…its a Renault 4 wheeler …dark green… Ziegler motor…spooky eh, :unamused: the company is still going after all these years, must be a record in this day and age…

Dipster:

Froggy55:
0A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

A 4-in-line trailer? I thought they were a 60’s invention.

The photo may have well been taken in the 60’s, the 1947 refers to the year of manufacture I guess…in those days 15 years was an acceptable period to keep a wagon…

Fergie47:

Froggy55:
0A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

I’m looking at the photo, hear a wagon pulling up at the junction opposite our home…its a Renault 4 wheeler …dark green… Ziegler motor…spooky eh, :unamused: the company is still going after all these years, must be a record in this day and age…

It’s indeed the same company, and the guy at the wheel is a Ziegler brother.

Fergie47:

Dipster:

Froggy55:
0A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

A 4-in-line trailer? I thought they were a 60’s invention.

The photo may have well been taken in the 60’s, the 1947 refers to the year of manufacture I guess…in those days 15 years was an acceptable period to keep a wagon…

That truck was scrapped well before 1960, date at which Zielgler had grown into an important company. It used to carry wine in casks from Paris to Brussels.

Dipster:

Froggy55:
A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

A 4-in-line trailer? I thought they were a 60’s invention.


Here’s a 1932 Laffly with a 4-in-line trailor and an 8-in-line engine, in fact two coupled 4-cyl engines. Certainly a record in matter of bonnet length!

Froggy55:
0A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

Often regarded as normal but every company has its early beginnings:

In 1908 Arthur Joseph Ziegler (born in Switzerland) started the transport-company
after he did an apprenticeship at the Schenker-company of his uncle. Main business
was transport of wine-barrels and also the filling of bottles, still a major activity.

His son Arthur proceeded the business in Brussels and internationally as did his son
Bruno for quite some decades. In 2017 the granddaughter of Arthur (Diane) became
CEO and nowadays ZIEGLER is a wellknown player in transport and logistics!

Back to classic French trucks of the early fifties with this Willème L 10 T registered early in 1952, making it one of the last produced before the Shark Nose was introduced.

Operated by Transports Marmeth in Nantua (Ain Departement), which had Willème trucks until the end of the make. Fitted with non-standard cabs and a 165 bhp 13.6 litre engine.

Pegaso electric truck, 1952.

Spot the difference :wink:

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Froggy55:

Dipster:

Froggy55:
1A perfect illustration of these times is this truck (1947). Miesse chassis, Büssing engine, Mack gearbox and Berliet rear axle. A neighbour of mine (now over 90) worked for a long time for Ziegler, and remembers it at work.

A 4-in-line trailer? I thought they were a 60’s invention.

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Here’s a 1932 Laffly with a 4-in-line trailor and an 8-in-line engine, in fact two coupled 4-cyl engines. Certainly a record in matter of bonnet length!

Interesting, but definitely out of proportions!

Just like so many American trucks of the 1940s, '50s and '60s with their tiny cabs!


Perfect proportions for this c. 1960 Magirus.

A French friend who works in central France took these pics, and chatted to the owner who has completely rebuilt the lorry, trailer, and digger… beautiful

What to do with an old tanker, better than being cut up for scrap… :slight_smile: