Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

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anorak:

tiptop495:
Hey Anorak,
The company was one of the biggest after war, and not only as a haulier.
Transport of al goods, big, wide, liquid, dangerous or not, gas and so on. Under de names S.A.Camerman N.V.
and Transports Generaux.
Workshop own park, army forces, and private.
Selling car and trucks of the Chrysler group, Sumbeam, Dodge, Commer and so on.
German brands as Henschel and Büssing.
Fuel stations around Antwerp.
After oil debacle (crisis) mid '70’s, one brother went his own way and build its hotels, which wasn’t successfully.
The haulage company went to Ferrymasters which sold it later to the Dutch company Stuy & Deman which calles it
Europa Express. And a group which later became a part of Willy Betz.

Eric,

Thanks again for good information. I guess we can assume that they had the ability to put one of their own cabs on any chassis- even a Commer?

Cheers indeed for the info Eric!

I found another Camerman cab, this time on a Henschel:

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Couldn’t this rather be a Mack NR, repowered with a Henschel engine?

Froggy55:
Couldn’t this rather be a Mack NR, repowered with a Henschel engine?

A brief search found no similar-looking bonnets or front wings on Mack or Henschel, but those wheels are very similar to the Mack NR ones. Another “mystery truck” conundrum rolls into the forum. :smiley:

Regardless the original product, for Camerman brothers there were no secrets
behind Berliet, Mack, Henschel and Büssing. They were also very innovative as
they made their first steps in vertical transport of glass in the early sixties.

Pierre Smidts of Antwerp has written an extensive history on Camerman out of
his collection from 1946 on.

See pics

J-P

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Macadam-woman:
Regardless the original product, for Camerman brothers there were no secrets
behind Berliet, Mack, Henschel and Büssing. They were also very innovative as
they made their first steps in vertical transport of glass in the early sixties.

Pierre Smidts of Antwerp has written an extensive history on Camerman out of
his collection from 1946 on.

See pics

J-P

Hey Macadam, thanks for those pics, never have seen a Reo in their coulors, but they did a lot with them for the US army. It looks like it is a small one, because I don’t see it clearly but think it has only 6 stud wheels ■■?
After war they built most on Diamond, Mack and the M425/426 tractor (the International development model).
But nothing special because most started in that way, but the brothers were specialists.
But had nearly everything which once arrived here by WW II (and not only lorries, but other equipment too).
PS, such a Reo still drove about 10 years ago in Brussels Midi.
And a pic of a normal cabbed Commer and one part of the workshop for repairing al kinds of army stuff.

Eric,

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Came across the following few weeks ago…

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Crossing the Seine at Mantes la Jolie with a nice view on the cathedral…

And crossing the Seine in the morning sun at Vernon…

Back to the DAF theme for a bit, Belgian haulier Van Egdom did had some rather unusual wagons in their fleet…

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From the archives…

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Kaelble

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Hey PV83, I am fast for 100% sure that the first pic in not a Kaelble , but a Diamond 981.

tiptop495:
Hey PV83, I am fast for 100% sure that the first pic in not a Kaelble , but a Diamond 981.

Hiya Eric,

Er…maybe it got a bit mixed up in the archives eh :blush:
Will talk to the staff about it, won’t accept faults like that… :wink:

Cheers, Patrick

May I suggest that we should all raise a glass to John’s memory this evening?

David

David Miller:
May I suggest that we should all raise a glass to John’s memory this evening?

David

Seconded. I fancy that he would be pleased at the continuing success of his thread, in investigating the more obscure corners of automotive history.

On that note, were those blank-fronted Kaelbles electric powered, or was the engine in the ballast box, or both?

I’ll drink to that…and all the other informed contributors that we have said farewell to this year.

pv83:
From the archives…

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A Willème L 10 upgraded to the German standards with a spacious and comfortable locally-made cab. It was quite a powerful truck in its time with a 150 bhp engine in 1945, raised to 165 bhp c. 1950, just before it was replaced by the “shark-nose” in 1952. Saar was under French administration from the end of WW II to 1st January 1957, and many French trucks were used during that period.

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anorak:

David Miller:
May I suggest that we should all raise a glass to John’s memory this evening?

David

Seconded. I fancy that he would be pleased at the continuing success of his thread, in investigating the more obscure corners of automotive history.

On that note, were those blank-fronted Kaelbles electric powered, or was the engine in the ballast box, or both?

David Miller:
May I suggest that we should all raise a glass to John’s memory this evening?

David

gingerfold:
I’ll drink to that…and all the other informed contributors that we have said farewell to this year.

Hear hear!

Can’t tell you much about those Kaelble’s Anorak, I reckoned the engine was somewhere in the middle of the chassis…?

Froggy55:

pv83:
From the archives…
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A Willème L 10 upgraded to the German standards with a spacious and comfortable locally-made cab. It was quite a powerful truck in its time with a 150 bhp engine in 1945, raised to 165 bhp c. 1950, just before it was replaced by the “shark-nose” in 1952. Saar was under French administration from the end of WW II to 1st January 1957, and many French trucks were used during that period.

Cheers for clearing that up Froggy, I was already wondering why there were so many French marques represented in that area…