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I would like to dedicate the following pic’s to one of our members, was an absolute pleasure of finally meeting Johnny and here’s my way of making an apology 'cause I’d falsly mistaken him for a “southerner” (nowt wrong with that by the way 
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Thanks Patrick. I’ve recovered from the mistaken identity 
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You have posted some fantastic pictures here. Amazing big loads being transported. They make ‘normal’ lorry driving look like a walk in the park!!
It was also a pleasure for me to meet up with you. Hopefully, it won’t be the last!
Cheers
Johnny
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That’s a decent outfit.
pv83:
jsutherland:
Davidoff:
That’s right. Terry’s his name, from Dover. And the P-cabbed Scanny is Neil’s from Scunthorpe. He was there with his dad.Shame we didn’t meet. Was a cracking time and very sociable.
Here’s Terry’s Crusader, along with Glenn’s F12
1And here is Neil’s beautifully restored P-cabbed Scanny alongside mine
0All to be repeated next year!
Your Scania 142 is rather nice too. I remember when that was the king of the road.
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Aye, very nice and tidy wagon Davidoff! How did you managed to purchase one? And was a lot of work needed to get it as tidy as it is now?
Thanks Johnny and Patrick. Yes this is a lovely wagon and was an amazing find.
Kind of a barn find in fact.
- Bought new in May of 1986 by a sawmill not far from Thiers (63), France. Or some 70 kms South East from Clermont-Ferrand.
- Worked some 40’000 annual kilometers until 1989 when they outsourced much of the transport work and rested her inside one of their closed sheds next to a large heating unit.
- full service history stamped by Scania Thiers every year until 2010. Literally she would do around 250 kms per year (home → Scania dealer → MOT copshop → home).
- Seems a rather uneconomical way of valorising what in its day must have been an expensive investment
- good old scenario - they placed an ad somewhere early 2011, I was online at the right time at the right place. Hopped on a train (took the missus along, she doesn’t mind such adventures) and basically bought her there and then (the lorry not my girlfriend). She had clocked around 156’000ks, now 165’000.
- In absolute terms she cost me a fair bit of money but way less than had she demanded any restoration. I drove her straight into Swiss where she was imported and MOT’d on the spot which is no mean feat given how strict the Swissies are on compliance especially in case of second-hand imports (they basically actively discourage)
Here are a few pictures when i first visited - and struck a deal.
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pv83:
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Some truly fantastic pictures there Patrick.
On this particular post, the one before last pictures shows a MAN 6x4 tractor unit in the livery of J.Ebner.
(On page 138, just above a white Steyr)
If you look closely beneath the windshield it says V10 400PS. So that must have been a 26.400 or more likely a 33.400, an engine which i believe is originally a Mercedes engine and was roughly identical to the OM403 power unit (15.950 cm³) or its larger successor OM423 (18.273 cm³) but had MAN-modified cylinder heads and I believe also injection system. The same unit went on to become the MAN ■■.502 then ■■.603
And finally ended up as TGX.660…
Would have loved to see one of them at work…
Really nice pictures anyhow. Thank you
Davidoff:
pv83:
jsutherland:
Davidoff:
That’s right. Terry’s his name, from Dover. And the P-cabbed Scanny is Neil’s from Scunthorpe. He was there with his dad.Shame we didn’t meet. Was a cracking time and very sociable.
Here’s Terry’s Crusader, along with Glenn’s F12
1And here is Neil’s beautifully restored P-cabbed Scanny alongside mine
0All to be repeated next year!
Your Scania 142 is rather nice too. I remember when that was the king of the road.
JohnnySent from my Hol-U19 using Tapatalk
Aye, very nice and tidy wagon Davidoff! How did you managed to purchase one? And was a lot of work needed to get it as tidy as it is now?
Thanks Johnny and Patrick. Yes this is a lovely wagon and was an amazing find.
Kind of a barn find in fact.
- Bought new in May of 1986 by a sawmill not far from Thiers (63), France. Or some 70 kms South East from Clermont-Ferrand.
- Worked some 40’000 annual kilometers until 1989 when they outsourced much of the transport work and rested her inside one of their closed sheds next to a large heating unit.
- full service history stamped by Scania Thiers every year until 2010. Literally she would do around 250 kms per year (home → Scania dealer → MOT copshop → home).
- Seems a rather uneconomical way of valorising what in its day must have been an expensive investment
- good old scenario - they placed an ad somewhere early 2011, I was online at the right time at the right place. Hopped on a train (took the missus along, she doesn’t mind such adventures) and basically bought her there and then (the lorry not my girlfriend). She had clocked around 156’000ks, now 165’000.
- In absolute terms she cost me a fair bit of money but way less than had she demanded any restoration. I drove her straight into Swiss where she was imported and MOT’d on the spot which is no mean feat given how strict the Swissies are on compliance especially in case of second-hand imports (they basically actively discourage)
Davidoff:
pv83:
.Some truly fantastic pictures there Patrick.
On this particular post, the one before last pictures shows a MAN 6x4 tractor unit in the livery of J.Ebner.
(On page 138, just above a white Steyr)If you look closely beneath the windshield it says V10 400PS. So that must have been a 26.400 or more likely a 33.400, an engine which i believe is originally a Mercedes engine and was roughly identical to the OM403 power unit (15.950 cm³) or its larger successor OM423 (18.273 cm³) but had MAN-modified cylinder heads and I believe also injection system. The same unit went on to become the MAN ■■.502 then ■■.603
And finally ended up as TGX.660…
Would have loved to see one of them at work…Really nice pictures anyhow. Thank you
It only covered 165.000 till now…? That’s truely unbelievable mate! Does explain why it’s looking immaculate though… Seems not every “froggy” tend to left vintage stuff out in the open to decay then…
First thing that came to mind was that it was used by some of the better known heavy haulage firms, would never have thought it was used for hauling timber.
Ever thought of buying a nice trailer as well for the old girl (meaning not the missus 
), some sort of low loader or step frame trailer? With a load on so that the engine finally can do what it was designed for in the first place
About that MAN, at first I reckoned it was a Titan…? Always thought that those engines were rebadged Liebherr engines? Or did those only came into the process in the latter version of the TGA/TGX?
Come to think of it, that’s not a V10 anymore, but an 8 potter…
They used two of those MAN 502’s at the firm where I work, quite a distinctive sound, can’t compare it to owt else…
Cheers for the info and kind words, can imagine the others are thinking “oh bugger, not some more HH pic’s”…
Carryfast:
http://www.trucknetuk.com/phpBB/download/file.php?id=190266&mode=viewThat’s a decent outfit.
Bit of a special drawbar trailer as well, that’s the one that’s extendable 
Titan…at first I always thought that it was the special devision of Mercedes Benz…little did I know at the time…
pv83:
Davidoff:
pv83:
Aye, very nice and tidy wagon Davidoff! How did you managed to purchase one? And was a lot of work needed to get it as tidy as it is now?Thanks Johnny and Patrick. Yes this is a lovely wagon and was an amazing find.
Kind of a barn find in fact.
- Bought new in May of 1986 by a sawmill not far from Thiers (63), France. Or some 70 kms South East from Clermont-Ferrand.
- Worked some 40’000 annual kilometers until 1989 when they outsourced much of the transport work and rested her inside one of their closed sheds next to a large heating unit.
- full service history stamped by Scania Thiers every year until 2010. Literally she would do around 250 kms per year (home → Scania dealer → MOT copshop → home).
- Seems a rather uneconomical way of valorising what in its day must have been an expensive investment
- good old scenario - they placed an ad somewhere early 2011, I was online at the right time at the right place. Hopped on a train (took the missus along, she doesn’t mind such adventures) and basically bought her there and then (the lorry not my girlfriend). She had clocked around 156’000ks, now 165’000.
- In absolute terms she cost me a fair bit of money but way less than had she demanded any restoration. I drove her straight into Swiss where she was imported and MOT’d on the spot which is no mean feat given how strict the Swissies are on compliance especially in case of second-hand imports (they basically actively discourage)
Davidoff:
pv83:
.Some truly fantastic pictures there Patrick.
On this particular post, the one before last pictures shows a MAN 6x4 tractor unit in the livery of J.Ebner.
(On page 138, just above a white Steyr)If you look closely beneath the windshield it says V10 400PS. So that must have been a 26.400 or more likely a 33.400, an engine which i believe is originally a Mercedes engine and was roughly identical to the OM403 power unit (15.950 cm³) or its larger successor OM423 (18.273 cm³) but had MAN-modified cylinder heads and I believe also injection system. The same unit went on to become the MAN ■■.502 then ■■.603
And finally ended up as TGX.660…
Would have loved to see one of them at work…Really nice pictures anyhow. Thank you
It only covered 165.000 till now…? That’s truely unbelievable mate! Does explain why it’s looking immaculate though… Seems not every “froggy” tend to left vintage stuff out in the open to decay then…
First thing that came to mind was that it was used by some of the better known heavy haulage firms, would never have thought it was used for hauling timber.Ever thought of buying a nice trailer as well for the old girl (meaning not the missus
About that MAN, at first I reckoned it was a Titan…? Always thought that those engines were rebadged Liebherr engines? Or did those only came into the process in the latter version of the TGA/TGX?
Come to think of it, that’s not a V10 anymore, but an 8 potter…
They used two of those MAN 502’s at the firm where I work, quite a distinctive sound, can’t compare it to owt else…Cheers for the info and kind words, can imagine the others are thinking “oh bugger, not some more HH pic’s”…
Yes 165’000 Kms, no more. At first I thought it was some of those exporters who “forget” to mention that she might have been round the clock. Or more than once around the clock…
But upon closer discussions (and visual inspection of the full service history) it quickly appeared to be perfectly genuine.
This firm is one of those typical family-owned businesses. Extremely meticulous and quality-driven. It looked more like a laboratory than your usual sawmill.
Interestingly, they developed (and I believe patented) a fast-track timber-drying process, enabling them to supply the wine barrel industry with high-grade oak. The Scania was parked up next to this wood drier hence rarely even saw any kind of humidity.
I think they did quite well for themselves. Good on them.
As for those MANs, in fact the early TGXs came with the final version of the V10 which delivered 660hp.
Here is an article from the web (in German language but easy enough to follow) at the time this motor was launched in 2002: hadel.net/autos/html/d_lkw_m … _2002.html
And a few pictures (taken off the web - I have no credit at all for these photos):
This engine made it to EURO3 but failed the next upgrade. Perhaps only fair for a block whose inception dates back to the early 70s…
That’s where MAN and Liebherr co-developed this new V8 which went on to become the MAN ■■.680.
More on that one in a minute…
Davidoff:
Yes 165’000 Kms, no more. At first I thought it was some of those exporters who “forget” to mention that she might have been round the clock. Or more than once around the clock…
But upon closer discussions (and visual inspection of the full service history) it quickly appeared to be perfectly genuine.This firm is one of those typical family-owned businesses. Extremely meticulous and quality-driven. It looked more like a laboratory than your usual sawmill.
Interestingly, they developed (and I believe patented) a fast-track timber-drying process, enabling them to supply the wine barrel industry with high-grade oak. The Scania was parked up next to this wood drier hence rarely even saw any kind of humidity.
I think they did quite well for themselves. Good on them.As for those MANs, in fact the early TGXs came with the final version of the V10 which delivered 660hp.
Here is an article from the web (in German language but easy enough to follow) at the time this motor was launched in 2002: hadel.net/autos/html/d_lkw_m … _2002.htmlAnd a few pictures (taken off the web - I have no credit at all for these photos):
This engine made it to EURO3 but failed the next upgrade. Perhaps only fair for a block whose inception dates back to the early 70s…
That’s where MAN and Liebherr co-developed this new V8 which went on to become the MAN ■■.680.
More on that one in a minute…
So when the EURO4 norm was introduced the venerable V10 (despite its common rail technology etc) was no longer available.
MAN and LIEBHERR engaged in the joint development of this V8 (internal denomination D2868) which I believe was launched somewhere late 2007 and became the ■■.680 in its strongest version.
I am fortunate enough that the firm I drive for on weekends has one in its fleet and so I sometimes get to drive this impressive machine…
Interestingly, this engine did not seem built to survive repeated emission upgrades and so did not make it to EURO6.
Fell off the catalogue from Jan 1st 2014 (at least here in la Suisse) after a short lifespan of just 6 years.
Though apparently still exists in marine application.
Surprisingly few were sold, despite the Swiss Market being relatively premium. It must be said that this motor, like the 4-5 other units known in the broader French-speaking part of Switzerland, had its share of trouble. It got a complete engine rebuild after just 200’000 Kms (under warranty) on suspicion of a leaking head gasket causing coolant loss and overheating.
It later turned out it was in fact a leaking compressor. Not the most profitable affair for the local MAN dealers but then they failed in their diagnosis in the first place.
Davidoff:
Davidoff:
Yes 165’000 Kms, no more. At first I thought it was some of those exporters who “forget” to mention that she might have been round the clock. Or more than once around the clock…
But upon closer discussions (and visual inspection of the full service history) it quickly appeared to be perfectly genuine.This firm is one of those typical family-owned businesses. Extremely meticulous and quality-driven. It looked more like a laboratory than your usual sawmill.
Interestingly, they developed (and I believe patented) a fast-track timber-drying process, enabling them to supply the wine barrel industry with high-grade oak. The Scania was parked up next to this wood drier hence rarely even saw any kind of humidity.
I think they did quite well for themselves. Good on them.As for those MANs, in fact the early TGXs came with the final version of the V10 which delivered 660hp.
Here is an article from the web (in German language but easy enough to follow) at the time this motor was launched in 2002: hadel.net/autos/html/d_lkw_m … _2002.htmlAnd a few pictures (taken off the web - I have no credit at all for these photos):
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This engine made it to EURO3 but failed the next upgrade. Perhaps only fair for a block whose inception dates back to the early 70s…
That’s where MAN and Liebherr co-developed this new V8 which went on to become the MAN ■■.680.
More on that one in a minute…
So when the EURO4 norm was introduced the venerable V10 (despite its common rail technology etc) was no longer available.
MAN and LIEBHERR engaged in the joint development of this V8 (internal denomination D2868) which I believe was launched somewhere late 2007 and became the ■■.680 in its strongest version.I am fortunate enough that the firm I drive for on weekends has one in its fleet and so I sometimes get to drive this impressive machine…
Interestingly, this engine did not seem built to survive repeated emission upgrades and so did not make it to EURO6.
Fell off the catalogue from Jan 1st 2014 (at least here in la Suisse) after a short lifespan of just 6 years.
Though apparently still exists in marine application.Surprisingly few were sold, despite the Swiss Market being relatively premium. It must be said that this motor, like the 4-5 other units known in the broader French-speaking part of Switzerland, had its share of trouble. It got a complete engine rebuild after just 200’000 Kms (under warranty) on suspicion of a leaking head gasket causing coolant loss and overheating.
It later turned out it was in fact a leaking compressor. Not the most profitable affair for the local MAN dealers but then they failed in their diagnosis in the first place.
Cheers about the info Davidoff, much appreciated mate!
Should have known about the difference between the V10 and V8 engine though, since we’ve got such an TGA with that engine (V10) in the fleet, but that one isn’t very reliable either, seems to spend more time in the workshop then on the road…that reputation they’ve once had at MAN doesn’t really apply anymore…
Blimey, 680hp for doing reefer work…?
Didn’t even know those things were sold as a standard 4x2 as well?
Interestingly they’ve made a test drive three weeks ago with that new Volvo FH 750 fitted with the new gearbox, Volvo states that it can pull up to 350t without using a torque converter. This because several crawler gears are installed in the new 'box.
Spoke briefly with the gentleman of Volvo about that wagon and reminded him that it wasn’t all that new what he was selling, asked him if he ever heard of Scammell’s…
Seems he wasn’t to pleased with that remark…
Excellent Patrick! I would have loved to have seen the Volvo representative’s face when you pointed it out. [emoji1]
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