Saviem's fan club (Part 1)

Morning all,

Csepel, that name makes the little grey cells turn very slowly!

The lorry industry of the former communist bloc is largely ignored, but they did produce some very good products. Hungary is probably best known for its Ikarus public transport buses and coaches, and of course its rip snorting DAF cabbed, MAN licence powered Raba lorries.

But Csepel produced some outstanding vehicles. Starting in 1949 with the formal acquisition of a licence from Steyr of Austria to build its 380 model, (though the original version of this was handed to Csepel in the mid `40s when Soviet troops began to push into Austria.

Anorak is right about the double bed!, perhaps that was because Csepel was run , (very well), by a Soviet trained female head, Ferenché Biro! Amechanical engineer of some capacity. The first real Csepel lorry came in 1950, the model D350, the base chassis being available in conventional, cab over, and Fire applications.

This, and Csepels own design engine was produced at the former aircraft factory @ Szigethalom, where the later 4x4 B130 was to be produced. Comecon policy dictated that design and manufacture should be shared across the bloc, hence Ikarus being produced in Poland by Jelcz, and Star.

This joint production can lead to confusion in identifying various vehicles, and where they were produced. Csepel ceaced production of its own engines, concentrating on MAN licence designs, as seen in the RABA vehicles, (followed in the `70s by pure RABA charge cooled versions.

The last Csepels of the late 80s and 90s utilised the Fiat looking, but pure Polish Jelcz cab, a quite handsome beast. This had the RABA MAN designed engine up to 280 hp, with a Csepel, (ZF), gearbox.

Csepel ceased production in the late 90s, joining other former Hungarian lorry builders, Magmobil, Fejes, MARTA, and Hogep. Csepel had also ties with Volvo to produce the Laplander 4x4, and had quite some success with off road 4x4, and 6x6 models.

Can anyone enlarge on the history of this company? The ex Communist Bloc industry is very interesting…Berliet had strong ties with Ikarus on the bus side. Their people that I occasionally met were very professional…but could consume alcohol like no tomorrow!!!

Incidentaly, our village Hungarian Hairdresser, Elizabeth Pastor tells me that Cse

Csepel D344 4x4 from 1963.

A link with text and pictures.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csepel_(automobile

michel:
Csepel D344 4x4 from 1963.

Hiya,
A little behind the times with the hand braking methinks.
thanks harry, long retired.

Evening all,

You know when your Internet access is so poor odd things happen…like this morning, when I posted the above on Csepel…

The vagaries of my ISP, and the clowns that manage Openreach cut me off in mid flow, (not that it is of any consequence)… but my conclusion should have been…

Incidentaly our village Hungarian Hairdresser, Elizabeth Pastor, a native of Budapest tells me that Csepel was a suberb, triangular in shape, sandwiched next to the Danube, the 21st area of the reformed Budapest where the products of the Manfred Weiss Steel and Metal Works rolled off the production line, bearing the name Csepel!

It all ended in 96, and there is quite a complex story regarding Ikarus, and RABA , "inheriting" the remains of Csepel, which in itself is rather interesting..........I rather liked the people from RABA, that I met through my contacts with Hungarocamion, who "we", (mainly from the Berliet side), courted so strongly back in the late 70s. Fantastic transport company, really professional, particularly in their Middle Eastern forays, superb organisation. But RABA possessed great engineers, produced , (with very limited resource), some wonderful lorries, and in terms of engineering took forward the basic MAN design to quite some higher level!..and improved on the old DAF cab…by substituting the Saviem-MAN design!

But we are talking about Csepel, and the same year that they “died” as a company, that great French lorry builder Serge Labourier passed on…Labourier, who is he? Followed on from his father Jules in the manufacture of some quite spectacular machines. Think how our AEC Matador could have been developed…then be more creative…that is how good Labourier`s were…there own gearboxes, axles, and glassfibre cabins, vehicles of great integrity and strength…

Bit like Csepel, only the latters money was from the state…not self generated!

Odd how ones mind skips from manufacturer to manufacturer…apologies!

Cheerio for now.

Harry, you are bang on…remember how bad handbrakes could be?

Every Berliet that left the factory had two beautifully made steel chocks to use on steep slopes when parking up. Having no tact at all, at one engineering liason meeting I remember waxing lyrical about just how good the braking system on an Atkinson Borderer was, and how the Venissieux, and Bourg engineers would benefit from a trip to ERF at Sandbach to see just what a proper air brake system should be like!..

Went down like a lead balloon…oh dear, I was only trying to advise them…(arrogant barstewards)!!!..

Looks like Csepel were in the same boat…but those are nice cobbles!

Once, when taken rather “short”, pulled into a muddy laybye on the Heads of the Valleys, with a well worn ex Ross Roadways Atkinson bow front, (with a very tired Mk 1 on its back)…wound on the ratchet handbrake, leapt out, ran round the front, and just in mid relief, (ah bliss), noted that said Bow Front was gradually sliding back down the slope away from me!!!

Never has one young man regained his composure, sprinted back around the front, lept into said lorry`s driving seat, and pushed the centre pedal nearly through the floor!!!..Worn out Welsh lorries…(and they all were)…never stopped on a hill again…blooming ratchet handbrake…in my hasty departure to attend to the call of nature…of course my big clumsy foot had released it…only I had not heard the “bang” as it flew off!!!

After that I always had a timber chock in my kit!

Cheerio for now

Time to quench our thirst!

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Oh Pete,

Banks`s, perhaps the tightest, best financial management of any Brewery company in Britain…zealous in their pursuit of profit, with a wonderful range of Beers, and they manage their “brands” so well…

I had a customs man in the south of Italy totally hooked on bottles of Bankss Mild back in the 60s! Boy did they clatter in the cab on my way down…and get a little warm as well!

But Davenports…“Beer at Home”…the advert of a certain age…delivered to your door, 6 bottles at a time, in a beautiful wooden crate by a uniformed driver, from a Commer Karrier, with suicide folding doors, in a deep red livery…

So one summers day, a youthfull Saviem, as green as they come, arranges to show the Directors of Davenports, at their Birmingham premises, a Boalloy Tautliner, (a new fangled, totally unheard of load restraining, and easy to use body on a semi trailer)…Except that the semi trailer was a 40ft single axle Highway product, coupled to a flatulent sounding V8 Ford D1000 tractor unit…and the whole outfit was owned by Highway Multiwheeler of Southampton…whose far more experienced, and cynical salesman had to accompany said Saviem, (for insurance purposes)!

The demo went well, down that narrow roadway with the Commers awaiting reload on the left, Hard right into that U shaped glass canopied loading yard, Park up, whisk back he curtains, close them, whisk them back…crates on…crates off…You should have seen their faces…they simply could not believe it!

Gerald Broadbent, (the designer of the Tautliner, …amongst so many other fantastic innovative designs), truly the lorry drivers friend, and the industries moderniser!..

So a great day…but to leave I had to turn around…ended up wit a fork lift carrying my rear end around the bay…it was tight…(Davenports longest trailer was 28 ft)!..Then when the order came…Highways man claimed 50%…boy I could have punched him on his beer swollen nose…but he stayed well clear of me!..

Gerald became a firm friend, and today I have in my farm office the model single axle Tautliner that travelled around the world with him, (he always booked two seats)!..and gave so many drivers on so many continents the use of his clever design…but I still remember the look on the face of the Bowler hatted Director of Davenports, (who used to front their first ATV television adverts, saying, “Beer at home means Davenports”…he thought I was well “stuck”…but I was not!..blooming 40ft single axle trailers!

Cheerio for now.

Great posts Saviem. Thank you. Johnny

Hi Saviem,
I can remember the Commer delivery trucks with those concertina doors on the cab,last one I saw was in Park Village, the Brewery was in Bath Row Birmingham I think, Banks’s is a big company now they have took over Marston’s, my Dad was a Banks’s mild fan and he used to say that Marstons beer was only good for cleaning the pipes out! Cheer’s Pete

Couple of Davenports vehicles, Saviem please note the trailer is a 28’ behind that Bedford!! Cheer’s Pete ps. found a pic of a Davenports Tautliner.

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Evening all,

Pete , my old son, that TM was well past my involvement with Davenports…by `78 I was well into France, and its exotic heavy hauliers!

The first Tautliners were pulled by KMs, I cannot remember if they came from Ryland, or Prestage. Lovely trailers on pure Highway running gear, complete with that wrap under rear under run bar, but as you say, 28 ft max…(you should have seen just how close that loading area was)…but covered by a wonderful re-inforced glass canopy. Cobbles as a surface, (oh how I loved cobbles…until I fell, (at a great rate of knots), off my bike in a Kermesse cycle race in cold old Flanders one day)…but Belgium was a terrific place to work…great Beer, and chips covered in Mayonaise…and superb people!

Lovely shots of the Davenports Brewery behind the vehicles, what a spectacular operation…whatever happened to them in the end?

Happy memories Pete!

Cheerio for now.

Hi Saviem,
Might as well have a few from Ansells! Cheer’s Pete

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Fergie47:
Couple of heavies…

Got some more heavies up your sleeve per change…? :smiley:

Don’t have many heavies, but here are a few, may have posted some of them before though… :blush:

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Hi Fergie,
Glad your back posting we were getting tipsy with the photo’s I was putting on!!

Some more “oh bugger” moments…it wasn’t my fault boss… :blush: :cry: :unamused:

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Great photos, thank you Fergie.

Last one today…another evocative old pic… what a sad old lady…

The kind of stuff I really love, Fergie! Any idea of the make of the car that bumped into the Berliet GDM on first picture of the serie?

A couple of pic’s from Tip-Con from the early eighties.