Sandy Kydd Transport banned

[grasshopper]

Napoleon88:
Its no wonder our job is totally [zb]'ed. Some folks don’t seem to realise that while cowboys like Kydd cheat the rules and can afford as a result to run cheaper, then that’s what industry will expect - these reduced rates for haulage. So, with rates reduced, our pay is kept low because there is no money on the industry. Jesus Christ! Wake up and smell the coffee. You might be a better driver than me, know more about trucks, right down to torque figures for individual trucks and what Scania comes with a friggin vanity light etc, but if you cannot see the basic business of this argument, then you are a clown and it is you and your likes who are [zb]ing this industry for all of us.

“Back in the day we used to do this…” - Aye, magic. Very proud of you. Thanks for building the foundations of an industry wracked by over legislation and ■■■■ poor rates/wages.

Very well said, i completely agree with you on your last point. The days of running for hours and hours non stop are long gone. The transport industry has changed massively and some people are still stuck in the dark ages.
The legislation imposed on this industry is crazy but if you stick to the rules then you can run a smooth and successful operation. If a national newpaper picked up on a story like this then it will damage the industry even more and we arent exaclty at the top of the public’s christmas card lists!
Sometimes this industry is its own worst enemy.

[jammymutt]

gezt:
bet it gets "new owner/operator " before long and carry on as normal. seems thats the way some firms carry on but will also need a fresh set of drivers

Was it JFT or JOhn Raymond Transport or another name they were known by who were banned but had a new owner within days .

Look out for S.Kydd transport tomorrow.

Same company different name thats what they all do personally I would lock up the drivers the fewer of them on the roads the better.

[sweetleaf]

Ayup,Oliver rings a bell too

[scotstrucker]

the rumour up ere in north east scotland is all sandy kydds equipment is going up for sale at the end of the month

[lee_hawke]

globby 480:

Airfreight:
I will be looking out for every pretentious prick on this link who has said good riddance to this firm,looking for you not going over 40mph on single carraigeways,not running on down hill,not going at 56mph on dual carraigeways,not tipping off the card,it does not matter how big or small the breach of the rules is it is still a breach.He who lives in glass houses,never a truer word.

[deepinvet]

Saw one today with a Low loader on with a couple of dumpers I think, down on the M11

[bricktrotter_xl]

Deepinvet:
Saw one today with a Low loader on with a couple of dumpers I think, down on the M11

i saw 1 1st thing tues morning in lay by A1 southat newark with curtains closed…

[hammer]

Napoleon88:
Its no wonder our job is totally [zb]'ed. Some folks don’t seem to realise that while cowboys like Kydd cheat the rules and can afford as a result to run cheaper, then that’s what industry will expect - these reduced rates for haulage. So, with rates reduced, our pay is kept low because there is no money on the industry. Jesus Christ! Wake up and smell the coffee. You might be a better driver than me, know more about trucks, right down to torque figures for individual trucks and what Scania comes with a friggin vanity light etc, but if you cannot see the basic business of this argument, then you are a clown and it is you and your likes who are [zb]ing this industry for all of us.

“Back in the day we used to do this…” - Aye, magic. Very proud of you. Thanks for building the foundations of an industry wracked by over legislation and ■■■■ poor rates/wages.

Good post, completely agree with you. Rates are so low because people push themselves over the limits of what is possible and force everyone elses down.

[wheel_nut]

hammer:
Good post, completely agree with you. Rates are so low because people push themselves over the limits of what is possible and force everyone elses down.

And that has been happening since the first bloke threw a couple of saddle bags over a horse.

Rates are so low because everyone involved is having 10% of them.

[paulson]

I posted this on JJ72’s thread which has slipped down the list a bit, so I thought i’d add it here as this is where the debate seems to be going on.

Many people have made the defence ‘who hasn’t run bent for a few hours’ or, more amazingly, ‘running bent never killed anyone’.

These firms join a long list - I recall a case four years ago which made some of these guys look like a kids picnic - but at the end of the day, there’s a fundamental difference between an operator slightly pushing the definition of the law to win or meet a contract, and an operator creating an organisational culture of disregard (or even in some cases contempt)for the law. The former, if unchecked, very quickly slips into the latter as the short term economic benefits are realised. Just ask a banker!!!

There really should be no discussion. Cutting corners every now and again is one thing. Transfer the argument to another industy - say contract cleaning. What happens if you cut corners? Somebody’s office building gets dirty, maybe hazardous. But it’s unlikely anyone will be at risk of death. But in an industry where big machinery is used habitually on crowded roads, there is the very real risk that a small problem becomes a big (and potentially fatal) one very quickly.

Most of these cases have a similar profile, as many people have noted already. Small ish firm buys in big engined trucks, blings them up to create an image, then the owner creates an expectation, maybe even encourages, a pattern of behaviour that means drivers transgress the laws. The driver, in this situation, has two choices. One, he chucks in the towel and gets a job elsewhere. Not easy in today’s climate, especialy when he sees a few extra quid as a possibility as well as job security. Secondly, the driver embraces the culture and immediately becomes part of the problem. Amongst the vast majority of skilled and reliable drivers, there are always going to be ‘fringe elements’ who are prepared to run in whatever way their boss tells them to. Maybe they have burnt their bridges elsewhere and ‘mainstream’ employers won’t take them on.

You only have to browse the Transport Tribunal website, where all the TC judgments are held in the public domain, to realise that the effects of this culture are far from harmless and can have a devastating effect on peoples’ lives. Let’s face it, the net result of somebody driving a 44 tonner for 14 hours without a rest, or running an overloaded motor with two 25 ton boxes on the back, or driving with their feet on the dash watching a dvd on their laptop, or running on red diesel and worn brake pads, is that some poor bugger stuck in a motorway queue might end up in a mass of twisted metal and the familiar and depressing story then airs on the news the next tea time.

[macdoog]

Buycrider:
Davey driver. I did the National Service Plus 3 more years.between 1953 and 1958. All bar the first 8 months spent in Malaya.You are quite correct. There are quite a few on this site who would benefit from being seperated from Mummy for a year or two.It might stop them moaning on about ,The boss- the waggon- the wages- and Eddie Stobart. Insofar as the Public Flogging is concerned. You,ll get that soon enough, when the Muslims take over.Maybe even Public Beheadings if you are caught running bent. I,ve got a picture in me mind of Mr.Macdoog with his chopper in his hands .and me kneeling there looking sorry for meself. With Hammer holding the basket for me head to drop into.

Hang on a mo…I keep seeing my name bandied about by you and Ive only posted the one reply!!! I would also like to point out that I will hold my chopper out to no man…kneeling or not!!!

[buycrider]

Blimey!! I,ve met one at last. A Vosa man with a sense of humour.
Mac, what I have posted on this thread, represent my personal point of view.We supposedly live in a society where, as yet, that is still allowed. It,s called Free Speech. If I have ,in any way annoyed or upset your good self, or any other poster on here ; Then I unreservedly apologise for that.
To those who said in their posts that they considered that, in their view, it is a good thing that I am no longer “on the road”, (You being one of them Mac), I will say only this , I,ve got broad shoulders. Inasmuch as I am prepared to dish it out, I am also equally prepared to take it.
Now for the good news, which should please all of my detractors. I still hold a Full HGV Class1 License. Renewed last August;Which comes in handy when I take our 6 wheeler Motorhome around Scotland,for at least 8 weeks each year.During which I pump £1500 or so, into the Scottish economy.You may well give me a tug one day. I can guarantee you ,that both I and my vehicle are in the required condition, for a good wheel-tapping.Who knows?; we might even get on well.
I have every sympathy for all those who are struggling in this present recession. As I have said before, I was born during the biggest one ever. I wish them well.
Insofar as this particular thread is concerned, That,s it. I could not care less who fires what at me. I aint coming back. I,m off into the garden to watch me spuds grow. Pax Vobiscum to you all.Dum spiro;Spero.

[coddy]

Tis funny, many years ago a group of us were running all over the country, tacho rules went out of the window, as did rest breaks, we slept when we were told too, but we were well fed and watered…

Yep, it was a bleedin good money earner, running into bases and ports at all times of day and night, firearms were involved, no one was gonig to get the better of us…

And you know what, even if we were pulled by the cops, (Ministry knew better than to stop us) the cops were shown a piece of paper and told to F off…

Why?

Cos we were on contract to the USAF, carrying ammo to all over the UK for the Gulf war, we all had a letter from 10 Downing Street, excluding us from any drivers hours, 5 of us in a convoy, each carrying 20 tons of explosives, Yanks in pickups front and rear, and every other truck had a armed Yank in the passenger seat…
So running bent aint that bad, cos the British Goverment let us do it Oh and none of had an accident, or killed anyone, though we have it on good authority that some of our cargos did cause some damage and heartache for a foreign land…

[macdoog]

Buycrider:
Blimey!! I,ve met one at last. A Vosa man with a sense of humour.
Mac, what I have posted on this thread, represent my personal point of view.We supposedly live in a society where, as yet, that is still allowed. It,s called Free Speech. If I have ,in any way annoyed or upset your good self, or any other poster on here ; Then I unreservedly apologise for that.
To those who said in their posts that they considered that, in their view, it is a good thing that I am no longer “on the road”, (You being one of them Mac), I will say only this , I,ve got broad shoulders. Inasmuch as I am prepared to dish it out, I am also equally prepared to take it.
Now for the good news, which should please all of my detractors. I still hold a Full HGV Class1 License. Renewed last August;Which comes in handy when I take our 6 wheeler Motorhome around Scotland,for at least 8 weeks each year.During which I pump £1500 or so, into the Scottish economy.You may well give me a tug one day. I can guarantee you ,that both I and my vehicle are in the required condition, for a good wheel-tapping.Who knows?; we might even get on well.
I have every sympathy for all those who are struggling in this present recession. As I have said before, I was born during the biggest one ever. I wish them well.
Insofar as this particular thread is concerned, That,s it. I could not care less who fires what at me. I aint coming back. I,m off into the garden to watch me spuds grow. Pax Vobiscum to you all.Dum spiro;Spero.

Thats what forums are for mate…free speech and life would be pretty boring if we all thought the same. Youve got your view and Ive got mine and never the twain shall meet!!!

And there you go again…I dont ever refer to poliltely asking a driver to follow me as ‘giving him a tug’

Keep on breathing and hoping and peace to you as well…

[gogzy]

well its their last day of operation

what would happen if one ran out of hours lol

[garnerlives]

Well adhering to rules and regs didn’t seem to be their ‘thing’ so don’t think it would be a problem to them

[renaultman]

Coddy:
Tis funny, many years ago a group of us were running all over the country, tacho rules went out of the window, as did rest breaks, we slept when we were told too, but we were well fed and watered…

Yep, it was a bleedin good money earner, running into bases and ports at all times of day and night, firearms were involved, no one was gonig to get the better of us…

And you know what, even if we were pulled by the cops, (Ministry knew better than to stop us) the cops were shown a piece of paper and told to F off…

Why?

Cos we were on contract to the USAF, carrying ammo to all over the UK for the Gulf war, we all had a letter from 10 Downing Street, excluding us from any drivers hours, 5 of us in a convoy, each carrying 20 tons of explosives, Yanks in pickups front and rear, and every other truck had a armed Yank in the passenger seat…
So running bent aint that bad, cos the British Goverment let us do it Oh and none of had an accident, or killed anyone, though we have it on good authority that some of our cargos did cause some damage and heartache for a foreign land…

I didn’t really want to get involved but good point that, I’ve been exempted a few times, Foot and Mouth, salt deliveries a few times in adverse weather, and did we not all get a dispensation during a fuel crisis or something? How come (if it’s so dangerous) It can be allowed, if it suits the Governments ends?

[brit_pete]

The EXEMTION is one that yes you did go over the hours however
it will have been stressed that SAFTEY was also paromount, we had
the same over here a FACTORY had a fire, they had to have the
chemicals deliveried,and the firm applied for the exemption
which was given but we were also told safety comes first
this lasted a 3months , you can not day after day month after month
drive like a nutter not takeing rest or working 17plus hours a day
sorry rules are there and we either follow them or pay the costs when
caught,ARE we so greedy that we need to work ourselves to death ,

[bedgar047]

Wheel Nut:

Rikki-UK:
I have worked with VOSA on a company that was non-compliant with the law, That company despite extracting the urine on hours, once pulled by VOSA buckled down and implemented VOSA’s suggestions, took their advice and worked with them to bring the company in line with the law… they never got in front of the TC, VOSA worked with them to resolve the problems. the worst thing you can do when caught out is shut VOSA out… which is exactly what happened in this case,

Was that the company with the red trucks and a nice sideline in scalpings?

I have read the story correctly I think it’s you who is out on a limb.
You along with your fellow drivers were in charge of HGV’s away from base and didn’t have the b*lls to say to the company enough is enough we aren’t going to do anymore hours.
So ONE off you went behind there backs TO VOSA and made a complaint …because you couldn’t say it to there faces!!!
No wonder the company went straight afterwards, THEY DIDN’T HAVE MUCH OFF A CHOICE
How long were you employed by them after ?

[andy1961]

Napoleon88:
Its no wonder our job is totally [zb]'ed. Some folks don’t seem to realise that while cowboys like Kydd cheat the rules and can afford as a result to run cheaper, then that’s what industry will expect - these reduced rates for haulage. So, with rates reduced, our pay is kept low because there is no money on the industry. Jesus Christ! Wake up and smell the coffee. You might be a better driver than me, know more about trucks, right down to torque figures for individual trucks and what Scania comes with a friggin vanity light etc, but if you cannot see the basic business of this argument, then you are a clown and it is you and your likes who are [zb]ing this industry for all of us.

“Back in the day we used to do this…” - Aye, magic. Very proud of you. Thanks for building the foundations of an industry wracked by over legislation and ■■■■ poor rates/wages.

Great post Napoleon - every word is true.

Sandy Kydd - I’ve no sympathy for that crook - and his actions motivated by financial greed at the expense of everyone including his own drivers.

Sandy Kydd’s drivers - I’ve absolutely no sympathy for them and their stupidity (they made their own choices)…they got what was coming to them!

VOSA are there for a reason.