Sandy Kydd Transport banned

[rikki-uk]

bedgar047:
I have read the story correctly I think it’s you who is out on a limb.
You along with your fellow drivers were in charge of HGV’s away from base and didn’t have the b*lls to say to the company enough is enough we aren’t going to do anymore hours.
So ONE off you went behind there backs TO VOSA and made a complaint …because you couldn’t say it to there faces!!!
No wonder the company went straight afterwards, THEY DIDN’T HAVE MUCH OFF A CHOICE
How long were you employed by them after ?

I worked there for a few years after, and as far as I know no one went to the ministry, You obviously know more about it than me It was an own account company that at that time didnt have a CPC holder, the transport was basically run by the sales staff who only worried about getting the goods to the customer when the customer wanted it. They didnt have a clue about transport, it was secondry to their core business and basicaly didnt want to know as long as the goods got delivered. Some drivers did breach the law on occassion to get the job done, I wasnt one of them. I had my own dedicated run which was between depots and didnt suffer from the pressure some of the drivers faced.

Most of my transgresssion were due to running over to reach the overnight parking I used on that regular run when on the odd occassion I got stuffed by the M6 coming out of Birmingham ( a run that 19 times out of 20 could be done easily within hours) My charts got picked up on in the check because I hadnt on those occassions noted on the back of the chart why I had run over, If I had I wouldnt have had a problem, But as no-one from the company was checking the charts it was never picked up on until the Ministry came in.

So yes technicaly I broke the law, technicaly I ran over my hours on occassion and technicaly the men from the ministry could have done me for it. What happened in fact was they came in, saw the problems and gave the company advice on how to run within the law. The company acted on that advice, employed a CPC holding experienced transport manager, went onto contract hire vehicles rather than running and maintaining there own vehicles, the result was the transport not only ran legally It actually saved the company money by the transport being planned and run by someone who actually knew what they were doing. Did I run over hours again to reach my safe and secure parking? Yes… did I write on the rear of the chart why I was over driving time or spread? yes, did the men from the ministry ever find fault with at in the follow up checks they made? no..

And that my friend is the point of this, VOSA will make every effort to help companies who are getting it wrong, to make the changes needed to run legaly, they will talk to and advise drivers if they are making errors or doing it wrong. VOSA dont exist to persecute hauliers for fun or giggles, they are charged with helping companies to run within the law, and those that wont despite being given the offers of help and advice to bring that to the notice of the traffic commissioner.

[coddy]

Yer wastin yer time Rikki…

Too many on here cant and wont understand mate…

They are just too pure for thier own good…

[globby_480]

yes rikki vosa will try to help and on some occasions do help, with trainning on tachos but 95% of the times the drivers know the rules and regs to start with they re trainned me and a few others , what started of on here was most was painting a picture in saying was they deserve it, yes i agree in that sandy kydd and there drives new what they were doing and they got paid fairly well to flout the law be in 10 mins or 10 hrs, but as i and a few more have said a few mins over your time!! is still an offence, never mind i wrote on the back of my card to reach safe parking etc what a load of bull a 15 hr day in the max yes you dont have to run to 15 hrs same as 70 mph on the motorway that is the max you dont have to run at 70 do you guys■■?, why didint you park up on 13.5 hrs instead of running to the max and going over your time,
99% of companys have run it a little iffy in some shape or form even eddy storbarts have had there drivers running bent in the past!! just to try to make a little more,
greed is a big killer and this is why drivers/ companys do it, we dont know the full reasons as i have stated myself as to why the drivers run how they did, but one thing i do know is why do MOST drivers on here got to work■■? MONEY, and most try to get as much out of the gaffers as possible be it hanning the job out to get a few extra quid, kydds got paid well,
i as said before have been were kydds was, and yes i was getting paid very,very well, this is no bull i was earning for a weekend well over £1000, plus my weeks wage on top, GREED!! i wanted more and always try"d to top it, i had my personal reasons for doing so aswell as i have said in a previous post and needed to do it,

its just that most drivers on here are all to ready to pull other drivers down for doing thing “OK” kydds was a little extreme but all the same most drivers on here truth be known have done some crazy things, tipping of the cards, pulling fuses, clipping up, winding on,winding back, diffrent name on the cards etc,etc,
it isnt worth doing it this day and age, the penalties are to much now and there is always tomorrow to finish the job,
but all these do gooders on here what are whiter than white “my arse” stop pulling people down and get on with your own jobs and leave others be,

[davey_driver]

Okay lets hold a mass lobby throughout Europe to abolish the Drivers Hours Regulations and the Work Time Directive, Lets all lobby for a free for all to drive as long as we want to and take as little rest as we feel we need.

Lets lobby for human rights to get the above so cowboy operators can go about their business unhindered

Then we can increase the time we spend doing nothing sitting at home getting no wages as more and more operators go out of business because it was a struggle to compete with the cowboys who are slashing the rates to undercut everybody else, we can also spend more time watching the news to see how many motorists were killed today by tired truck drivers, who decided they could continue their journey for just that 1 hr more to line their pockets,

All those who support Sandy Kydd are welcome to get the ball rolling, obviously you support such actions and you obviously feel that its a good thing that he was doing.

If there are that many out there that agree with you, I cant see it being a problem getting support for your Lobby, as the European MP’s will be ■■■■■■■■ themselves incase they dont get re-elected if they dont support your case as obviously a large number of you feel it was okay what Sandy Kydd was doing.

[glenman]

dont know about abolishing hours regs,would leave an lot of people with redundant hour guard devices

[globby_480]

Then we can increase the time we spend doing nothing sitting at home getting no wages as more and more operators go out of business because it was a struggle to compete with the cowboys who are slashing the rates to undercut everybody else, we can also spend more time watching the news to see how many motorists were killed today by tired truck drivers, who decided they could continue their journey for just that 1 hr more to line their pockets,

mmmh what a load of bo"lcks that statment is, davey, cowboys cutting rates !!! so you are saying the likes of stobarts are cowboys then■■? its because of your BIG PLAYERS OUT THERE who can chop rates and make £10, per 300 trucks a day what chop rates and put the so called cowboys out of the industry,give your head a shake man and smell the coffee,

lets sit at home and watch the news and see how many motorists are so call killed by drunk drivers, stolen cars etc, yes tired drivers are just as dangerous i will admit that to a degree, but the drunk/stolen/police in HOT pursuit cause more deaths than a so called tired driver,
no one on here is saying WELL DONE or patting sandy kydds on the back but a few me included are trying to say all the squeeky clean guys prob you included what has never done anything wrong in this industry what so ever are the first to put the boot in, but with laim brain statments like that above is the biggist load of knackers what has been said so far, the big players have forced more people out than your so callled cowboys who carnt compete and prob have to bend the laws !! slightly exep"tion on mr kydd mind,

if there was a pole on here regarding who does or has ever run bent half more likely three quarters of the users on here would lie and make out they hadnt cowboy hauliers my arse,

[davey_driver]

globby 480:
mmmh what a load of bo"lcks that statment is, davey, cowboys cutting rates !!! so you are saying the likes of stobarts are cowboys then■■? its because of your BIG PLAYERS OUT THERE who can chop rates and make £10, per 300 trucks a day what chop rates and put the so called cowboys out of the industry,give your head a shake man and smell the coffee,

I wouldnt call Sandy Kydd one of the Big Players

Twist every statement made by forum users to suit your arguments if you wish, but at the end of the day it still boils down to the same thing.

Sandy Kydd was a Cowboy operator, and drivers who are defending his practice or bragging about the amount of times they have deliberately intended breaking the law when setting out to work are no better

[globby_480]

sandy kydd aint a big player davey read what i have wrote, big players I.E stobarts, wincantons etc, these are your big players what are have chop"d rates, so the small haulier has to try to compete impossible isnt it,so hence a few try diffrent lines some wrong and worse than others to try to stay in business, or arnt you are driver in the real world, just a armchair truck mag reading chap,what hasnt realy got a clue, no one is bragging or trying to say what kydds.thorburns, joe bloggs, fred bloggs has done is right in anyway, and if a major problem arose at home davey and it was a major major problem what would you do sit back and read your truck mag till your time was up and then make your way home!!! some how i dont think you would sit there ,but you been so squeeky clean you would get a bus/train home wouldnt you,
my point is three quarters on here have in some shape or form run bent yes or no, and a prob a few on this this thread are trying to paint a whiter than white picture of themselfs

[davey_driver]

Globby you are obviously so wrapped up with yourself you are missing the points posted altogether

May I suggest you read the whole thread from the start instead of jumping in half way through

We are not talking about every driver being squeaky clean, we are not talking about operators who ask on the odd occassion for a driver to run to the limits and beyond, we are discussing a company who was investigated by Vosa and found to be proven guilty of REGULAR drivers hours breaches.

Then we had the “Old Timer” Brigade harping on about the good old 70’s and 80’s and how they had 3 log books etc etc etc

If I was away from home and an emergency arose, then yes I would put my family first, but we are not discussing that are we? We are talking about a company whose drivers got out of bed in the morning with the full intention of throwing the rule book out of the window and a company that made sure the window was open for them to do so, not drivers rushing home because little Jimmy was unwell.

A bloody big difference to a driver running over his hours because of traffic jams on the odd occassion,

Oh and for your information I spent 25 years on the road before hanging up my keys 2 years ago, but I certainly dont agree with drivers still in the game being ■■■■ on by the Sandy Kydd’s of this world.

[coddy]

So what if some of us ran bent a few years ago, some of them like me, did it quite legally, in fact the Gulf war paid for a brand new XR3i Convertable for me, paid cash for it, a lot of you would turn that down if you were in my boots would’nt you??

The past is the past, drop it, next thing you will want a boxing ring set up at P/Boro…

As for rate cutting, its always happened, its called business, Stobarts bought it to the front of everyones minds in the way Eddie did it, look at him now, and Stobarts were not squeaky clean, not by a long shot in those days…

Transport is evolving, 10 years ago no one would have predicted the amount of Foreign trucks on our roads, and from places like Bulgaria, Lithuania etc, you can blame the govt for that, and Brussels for expanding Europe without a thought for us. Transport is evolving, you wont stop it, many of the small hauliers will go to the wall in years to come, some decent firms and some bent one, some will just bail out to the highest bidder and stuff the drivers, no mater how good or important you think you are to a Company, you are a tax deductable commodity.

To blame those of us that did a job that was pretty much the norm in the 80’s is just childish, and goes to show that you dont really have a grasp of transport then and now, or what its going to be in the future.

Now I dont need to run bent, and nor do a lot of people, the ones that do, like Kydds, do it for greed, and that is something you will never cure in people, esp in this modern selfish society that is now normal to many of the younger members on this forum.

2014 I will hang my Class 1 license up for good, and sit back and enjoy watching the evolution of the species…

[macdoog]

globby 480:
if there was a pole on here regarding who does or has ever run bent half more likely three quarters of the users on here would lie and make out they hadnt cowboy hauliers my arse,

Dont bring the foreigners into this argument!!!

[cruise_control]

globby 480:
if there was a pole on here regarding who does or has ever run bent half more likely three quarters of the users on here would lie and make out they hadnt cowboy hauliers my arse,

That’s a little bit of a sweeping statment aint it saying 3/4 of TNUK members run bent or have done in the past - which is what your basically saying So if i was to say as far as i am aware i have never run bent your saying there is a 75% chance i’m telling porkies

MacDoog:

globby 480:
if there was a pole on here regarding who does or has ever run bent half more likely three quarters of the users on here would lie and make out they hadnt cowboy hauliers my arse,

Dont bring the foreigners into this argument!!!

I’ve got a pole on my roof holding the tv arieal…(sorry orys - no insult intended)

[glenman]

75% might even be on the low side !

[gogzy]

guys stop arguing over nothing

sandy kydd is no more

and nobodys perfect

lets just leave it at that.

[Lucy]

Ok, hands up, ex bent runner. One dead friend later, now a legal runner. Sure, I occaisonally go over time and have to mark the old card/printout, but that’s not bent, it’s a legal derogation. No load is worth my life. They certainly weren’t worth Martin’s.

Sorry to bring this up again, as I aways do on running bent threads, but it had such a profound effect on me I changed my attitude to the whole thing forever. If mentioning it ad nauseum on here makes one more person stop, think, and therefore live, it’s worth boring the hell out of the rest of you. Don’t let Martin’s death have been in vain.

[buycrider]

This thread has ,at times been nothing less than a slanging match.Personal insults have been thrown about.It now appears that “running bent”, was directly responsible for the death of one of the friends of Site Administrator Lucy.With all due respect to the late Mr.Martin Wills, to whose family I offer my sincere condolences,; I must ask, Is it not time that this thread was binned , before those of us who have , in the past,been guilty to putting the requirements of the job before those of the Regulators, and their Agents, are made to feel guilty for the deaths of any more members of the trucking “fraternity”.
The wisest words in the whole debate have, in my humble opinion, been spoken by a site member whose signature states that he is 23 years of age. These are definitely mine.
Gogzy I hope that your wise words are destined to be the last, posted on this miserable thread.

gogzy:
guys stop arguing over nothing

sandy kydd is no more

and nobodys perfect

lets just leave it at that.

[Lucy]

before those of us who have , in the past,been guilty to putting the requirements of the job before those of the Regulators, and their Agents, are made to feel guilty for the deaths of any more members of the trucking “fraternity”.

Your missing the point. Martin didn’t die because others were running bent, he died because HE was. Which is why I stopped. The point being that he had no idea what he was doing to himself and neither did any of the rest of us. Any one of you could be next. And no-one’s freight is worth your life.

[lee_hawke]

[lee_hawke]

globby 480:
yes rikki vosa will try to help and on some occasions do help, with trainning on tachos but 95% of the times the drivers know the rules and regs to start with they re trainned me and a few others , what started of on here was most was painting a picture in saying was they deserve it, yes i agree in that sandy kydd and there drives new what they were doing and they got paid fairly well to flout the law be in 10 mins or 10 hrs, but as i and a few more have said a few mins over your time!! is still an offence, never mind i wrote on the back of my card to reach safe parking etc what a load of bull a 15 hr day in the max yes you dont have to run to 15 hrs same as 70 mph on the motorway that is the max you dont have to run at 70 do you guys■■?, why didint you park up on 13.5 hrs instead of running to the max and going over your time,
99% of companys have run it a little iffy in some shape or form even eddy storbarts have had there drivers running bent in the past!! just to try to make a little more,
greed is a big killer and this is why drivers/ companys do it, we dont know the full reasons as i have stated myself as to why the drivers run how they did, but one thing i do know is why do MOST drivers on here got to work■■? MONEY, and most try to get as much out of the gaffers as possible be it hanning the job out to get a few extra quid, kydds got paid well,
i as said before have been were kydds was, and yes i was getting paid very,very well, this is no bull i was earning for a weekend well over £1000, plus my weeks wage on top, GREED!! i wanted more and always try"d to top it, i had my personal reasons for doing so aswell as i have said in a previous post and needed to do it,

its just that most drivers on here are all to ready to pull other drivers down for doing thing “OK” kydds was a little extreme but all the same most drivers on here truth be known have done some crazy things, tipping of the cards, pulling fuses, clipping up, winding on,winding back, diffrent name on the cards etc,etc,
it isnt worth doing it this day and age, the penalties are to much now and there is always tomorrow to finish the job,
but all these do gooders on here what are whiter than white “my arse” stop pulling people down and get on with your own jobs and leave others be,

Well said Globby 480 I Was in the same position as you 7yr ago were “GREED” got the better of me £800 pw +expenses take home
and yes we got done… people round our area were slaging us off just like they are doing ON here like they are doing with Mr Kydd
He will be back Sandy Kydd International or sumat just hope he learns a LESSON LIKE I DID!!!

[gogzy]

Buycrider:
This thread has ,at times been nothing less than a slanging match.Personal insults have been thrown about.It now appears that “running bent”, was directly responsible for the death of one of the friends of Site Administrator Lucy.With all due respect to the late Mr.Martin Wills, to whose family I offer my sincere condolences,; I must ask, Is it not time that this thread was binned , before those of us who have , in the past,been guilty to putting the requirements of the job before those of the Regulators, and their Agents, are made to feel guilty for the deaths of any more members of the trucking “fraternity”.
The wisest words in the whole debate have, in my humble opinion, been spoken by a site member whose signature states that he is 23 years of age. These are definitely mine.
Gogzy I hope that your wise words are destined to be the last, posted on this miserable thread.

gogzy:
guys stop arguing over nothing

sandy kydd is no more

and nobodys perfect

lets just leave it at that.

if only they were tbh buycider
i know when i started outi n this game i prob done a few things wrong but tbh iearnt and right now im doing no bad, running legal (lucky if i need a 45 min break these days)