Dave the Renegade:
I don’t know where Carryfast gets the Guvnors V drivers issue from. All the various people I have worked for, both as a driver or as a TM, have one common aim. To keep the business profitable,thus keeping everyone in a job,with everyone earning a living.
As for the boss making the money,they took the risk and had the guts to run a business,so they earn the bigger bucks, because its their neck on the line. I admire anyone who has run a haulage business,because its a hard and lonely job being the boss.
Cheers Dave.
I think you’re missing the point that it is also in no one’s interests to have drivers being forced to drive when they feel like some extra daily rest or break time or for that matter parking up in unsuitable places because of the inflexibility of tachos.While your and others comments just prove my point.In that the imposition of tachos was all about facilitating the idea of guvnors and yes men maxing out the hours potential of drivers.By providing guvnors,with the knowledge,of when drivers weren’t ‘complying’ with the guvnor’s obvious interests in minimising break and rest periods.Which log books obviously didn’t.
While also doing absolutely nothing in regards to fraudulent bent running regards hours.On the basis that anyone who wanted to run silly hours by bending the entries on a log book was also going to find a way to either disable or fraudulently interfere with tacho records. 
I have never seen drivers being forced or pressured into running bent. I’m not disputing that some firms and drivers have broken the law and bent the rules,but there are people in every walk of life who don’t stick to the rules, world football is proof of that.
Dave the Renegade:
I have never seen drivers being forced or pressured into running bent. I’m not disputing that some firms and drivers have broken the law and bent the rules,but there are people in every walk of life who don’t stick to the rules, world football is proof of that.
The point in this case having nothing whatsoever to do with running bent.The issue being that tachos were actually counter productive at best in terms of the amount of rest taken by drivers.While at worst doing nothing whatsoever to deter bent running.
Here’s a clue the unions weren’t in the business of over worked/stressed drivers unlike the guvnors and the stupid flawed EU hours regime. 
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I spent a good few years as o/d on European during the 80s & 90s it was tough customers wanted their goods asap up to the boarders opening up you honestly didn’t know how long it would take to clear custom’s . once out of the UK your support for breakdowns was gone you had no option but be good with a spanner carry a few spares . throw in the unwanted blockade all this time was money and somehow for some this meant they had to be creative to make a profit this was also the same for the small to medium hauliers to . as we’ve read on some previous post’s these lengths begger belief . up to me getting a 2800 daf I bearly made profit the daf aid support was the best there was at the time which was why I bought the truck . I s!!!t myself when I had to bribe a customs man with 200 Marlborough and a ■■■■ mag to get cleared quicker for the first time…
1st. We were drivers
2nd. Mechanic
3rd secretary…,.,…
I guess that tacho’s made a difference to the amount of work you could do in a day, I know of at least two local lads who jacked their job in because they were unable to do the same work load that they had done with using log books so lost money. The only time I used my log book was for occasional relief driving (I was a fitter at the time but sometimes had to do a day or two driving) and recovery work. With recovery I had to get there and back as quickly as possible so didn’t bother with a break and filled the log book in at home, however when tacho’s came in I HAD to stop which didn’t exactly please the driver of the broken down truck as he had probably already been waiting several hours and the last thing he wanted was me having a break! 
I remember one of our old driver’s telling me once how he was stopped by a traffic cop on the A515 at Draycott Cliff for a log book check one morning, he hadn’t filled it in for two days and was bricking it! Cop looked at the book and said there was no problem and let him go, next morning, same spot, he pulled him again and checked the now correctly filled in book. He told the driver that he had hoped it might just jog his memory and not to do it again! 
Pete.
I never used a log book I missed it by months . my old man and grandad told and taught me everything they geared me up for logbooks then the tachos came in . grandad was bang against them but my oldman still had to make a living didn’t like them at first but came to get on with using them . workloads did change and I do believe it was a good thing over worked no propped rest some firms also had to adapt . I wonder how my old man and grandad would react to the new mach5 digital machine vosa can Bluetooth your records before they stop you . thing is some people don’t like change it upsets routine and to many unknowns . embrace it and make it work for you is what I’ve done everytime the rules change . if we don’t like it we can get it changed but we will never ever stick together to get a result …
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
I have never seen drivers being forced or pressured into running bent. I’m not disputing that some firms and drivers have broken the law and bent the rules,but there are people in every walk of life who don’t stick to the rules, world football is proof of that.
The point in this case having nothing whatsoever to do with running bent.The issue being that tachos were actually counter productive at best in terms of the amount of rest taken by drivers.While at worst doing nothing whatsoever to deter bent running.
Here’s a clue the unions weren’t in the business of over worked/stressed drivers unlike the guvnors and the stupid flawed EU hours regime.
y po int was referrri ng to tha
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The thread is called ‘’’ Running bent in the 80’s and 90’s.My point was referring to that 
andrewv8:
Dan Punchard:
andrewv8:
Dan Punchard:
I used to go with one driver who would drop the cable off for 45 mins twice a day and at the end off the day too ,also another who had a switch on the dash with a T marked on in tipex and a bull dog clip next to it with delivery notes on to cover it up ,I’ve also known plenty convert to pull stops too !
Did this person have a square head and 2 brothers, lives in a ‘relatively’ small town?
A one horse town ,and half a finger !
I saw that person on the A50 the other day, flat out at 50 mph in his sprinter pick up lol. The person I was thinking of was 1 of his son’s, he who must be obeyed 
It’s perhaps a good thing that’s all he does now ( cause hold ups ) he’s not suitable for lorries any more ,last time he drove 10 years ago he flatted a lamp post ,his methods and today’s laws don’t mix ,mind he’s still a regular 3 am starter .
Been at my mums and we spoke about tachos she said she remembered the day well as dad and grandad were like a pair of alley cats . she disappeared and returned with a box of dads Keepsake’s I’ve never seen before and handed me a newspaper article about the introduction . it said Barbara castle passed the the law in 68 when she was transport minister the ec made it law in 1970 in 76 drivers hours were tightened up and introduced them voluntary for the trucks going on international to fall in line with there law 78 ec took UK to court and won . ken Clark was secretary to the tm and he passed it in Nov 79 giving 2 years for the roll out.
So we could have had tachos in 68 but wasn’t implemented we wernt in Europe then I started using them in 1980…it looks as tho the EEC are taking the blame for something the government wanted all along knowing we could join the ec and they make us do it and make them the scapegoats crafty b!!!d’s …
Hi all, one firm that run bent and overweight a well known Newport firm the night trunks done charnock Richards change overs you had 50 tonnes going up and 60 to 70 tonnes coming back then tranship in yard in the morning also tramping tacos non existent when they got word vosa were coming to the yard they would be missing after a break in ,in the night the boys never complained and the owner was making money good old days 
mind you every police officers hated us 
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
I have never seen drivers being forced or pressured into running bent. I’m not disputing that some firms and drivers have broken the law and bent the rules,but there are people in every walk of life who don’t stick to the rules, world football is proof of that.
The point in this case having nothing whatsoever to do with running bent.The issue being that tachos were actually counter productive at best in terms of the amount of rest taken by drivers.While at worst doing nothing whatsoever to deter bent running.
Here’s a clue the unions weren’t in the business of over worked/stressed drivers unlike the guvnors and the stupid flawed EU hours regime.
y po int was referrri ng to tha
news.google.com/newspapers?nid= … 2989&hl=en
The thread is called ‘’’ Running bent in the 80’s and 90’s.My point was referring to that
Yes I know and ‘my point’ was in reply to Saviem’s etc comments which were trying to make the case that all the over regulation that we’ve seen is supposedly a good thing in ‘stopping’ bent running.When as I’ve said tachos and speed reductions have just created a general environment in which drivers get less rest time and more stress.While doing absolutely nothing to stop those with criminal intent to run silly hours etc.
karl2878:
Been at my mums and we spoke about tachos she said she remembered the day well as dad and grandad were like a pair of alley cats . she disappeared and returned with a box of dads Keepsake’s I’ve never seen before and handed me a newspaper article about the introduction . it said Barbara castle passed the the law in 68 when she was transport minister the ec made it law in 1970 in 76 drivers hours were tightened up and introduced them voluntary for the trucks going on international to fall in line with there law 78 ec took UK to court and won . ken Clark was secretary to the tm and he passed it in Nov 79 giving 2 years for the roll out.
So we could have had tachos in 68 but wasn’t implemented we wernt in Europe then I started using them in 1980…it looks as tho the EEC are taking the blame for something the government wanted all along knowing we could join the ec and they make us do it and make them the scapegoats crafty b!!!d’s …
Barbara Castle was a Labour politician and the unions ( rightly ) had a lot more influence over the Labour Party then.While Union policy was ( rightly ) against tachos for the reasons I’ve given.In which case what we actually ended up with was predictably a Europhile Con Party which was only too keen to implement EEC policy rather than fight it which no surprise suited the guvnors.Being that the definition of ‘domestic’ regs logically ( should mean ) any journey within the country’s borders.Which was the union’s position at the time but which the pro EEC Cons were only too keen to sell out on.
Carryfast you come out with some tripe castle sold the unions out by making it law in 68 BEFORE we joined europe… She would have known to introduce it then would be suicide just as she knew we would more likely join Europe and them have us do it… As the labour party didn’t implement it I doubt many would know it was part of the new transport bill the conservative gov didn’t have a leg to stand on when the EEC took them to court it was part of law for ten years…labour sold us down the river the union also knew this too with the help of the unions in 78 with all the strikes they blamed the cons people like you swallowed it castle was ruthless look what she did at Dagenham she told ford and the unions were to go now close the subject and jog on,…,…,…
karl2878:
Carryfast you come out with some tripe castle sold the unions out by making it law in 68 BEFORE we joined europe… She would have known to introduce it then would be suicide just as she knew we would more likely join Europe and them have us do it… As the labour party didn’t implement it I doubt many would know it was part of the new transport bill the conservative gov didn’t have a leg to stand on when the EEC took them to court it was part of law for ten years…labour sold us down the river the union also knew this too with the help of the unions in 78 with all the strikes they blamed the cons people like you swallowed it castle was ruthless look what she did at Dagenham she told ford and the unions were to go now close the subject and jog on,…,…,…
I didn’t say that Castle ( or Labour ) was any friend of the road transport industry.I said that the unions had a lot more influence over the implementation of Labour policy than over the Cons.Which explains the difference in definition between ‘domestic’ operations under Labour v Conservative.It was ‘that definition’ that the Cons sold out on and nothing whatsoever to do with the anything which Labour had done previously.As for the day,with the exception of Powell,the Cons were an even bigger bunch of back stabbing Europhile zb’s than they are today.While at least Labour and the Unions still had some fight left in them in that regard.Hence the newspaper report of the TGWU ( rightly ) calling strike action regarding the issue in the day.Not surprisingly bearing in mind the implications for drivers regarding the introduction of tachos on what was ( rightly ) ‘previously’ defined as ‘domestic’ operations.
Well i for one have read enough!!
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Right and wrong about running bent ,its over ,finished,we had to do or not, every man ,made his own choice ,and yes i do know because like the majority, somtimes i did ,and others i did not…[run bent]… BARRACK ROOM LAWYER,S driving a dustcart sludge gulper road maintenance lorry etc.not in the running.“not road haulage” .ie paid loads only.
Now!lets sit back and let the younger drivers ,and bosses ,make their OWN mistakes.who cares.
deckboypeggy:
Well i for one have read enough!!
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Right and wrong about running bent ,its over ,finished,we had to do or not, every man ,made his own choice ,and yes i do know because like the majority, somtimes i did ,and others i did not…[run bent]… BARRACK ROOM LAWYER,S driving a dustcart sludge gulper road maintenance lorry etc.not in the running.“not road haulage” .ie paid loads only.
Now!lets sit back and let the younger drivers ,and bosses ,make their OWN mistakes.who cares.
I don’t blame you DBP, whatever anyone says on a thread, the member from Leatherhead turns it into a blame game against the owners or the politicians, which turns people against bothering to post their thought or views.
Guy’s sorry for allowing myself to get dragged into an argument I’ve never been around that guy before and will not again this is a good thread about a time and things most of us shared like I said for my part soz…
Dave the Renegade:
deckboypeggy:
Well i for one have read enough!!
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Right and wrong about running bent ,its over ,finished,we had to do or not, every man ,made his own choice ,and yes i do know because like the majority, somtimes i did ,and others i did not…[run bent]… BARRACK ROOM LAWYER,S driving a dustcart sludge gulper road maintenance lorry etc.not in the running.“not road haulage” .ie paid loads only.
Now!lets sit back and let the younger drivers ,and bosses ,make their OWN mistakes.who cares.
I don’t blame you DBP, whatever anyone says on a thread, the member from Leatherhead turns it into a blame game against the owners or the politicians, which turns people against bothering to post their thought or views.
Saviem amongst others seemed to be happy enough to post their ‘views’ on the subject and it was ‘those’ views that I was replying to.As for me I only spent 5 years of my time in the job as a council driver and as I said the only thing which tachos ever did was to add more stress and less freedom to the job at least in regards to haulage.As opposed to fixed route trunking in which case it was speed limiters and the 90kmh limit which,like tachos on haulage work,actually meant less rest time not more.I think it is reasonable to blame politicians and guvnors for all that being that either measure never made the slightest difference to those with the intention of dodgy running practices.
Yet another post torpedoed, bombed on and bamboozled by Carryfast, I have never known anyone to come out with so much tripe, I think you have never driven a lorry and have no licence for a Raleigh Chopper.