Lawrence Dunbar:
toby1234abc:
Yet another post torpedoed, bombed on and bamboozled by Carryfast, I have never known anyone to come out with so much tripe, I think you have never driven a lorry and have no licence for a Raleigh Chopper.
- 1, Regards Larry.
Hiya Larry, question,how can “CF” have experienced “running bent” on a Council bin motor ? It would make his ■■■■■■■ hair curl to have had to put in the many hours we worked outside of “legal” eh! Cheers Dennis.
Lawrence Dunbar:
toby1234abc:
Yet another post torpedoed, bombed on and bamboozled by Carryfast, I have never known anyone to come out with so much tripe, I think you have never driven a lorry and have no licence for a Raleigh Chopper.
- 1, Regards Larry.
Plus 2…
Also, and sorry to say, can’t agree with Saviems post, which is unusual, as generally he is a font of information…
Bewick:
Hiya Larry, question,how can “CF” have experienced “running bent” on a Council bin motor ? It would make his [zb] hair curl to have had to put in the many hours we worked outside of “legal” eh! Cheers Dennis.
My point was in reply to Saviem’s etc comments.Being that over regulation in the form of tachos and limiters actually did more to reduce the amount of rest that drivers got.Than stopping bent running and which,unsurprisingly,seems to have upset the guvnors and the yes men. 
deckboypeggy:
Well i for one have read enough!!
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Right and wrong about running bent ,its over ,finished,we had to do or not, every man ,made his own choice ,and yes i do know because like the majority, somtimes i did ,and others i did not…[run bent]… BARRACK ROOM LAWYER,S driving a dustcart sludge gulper road maintenance lorry etc.not in the running.“not road haulage” .ie paid loads only.Now!lets sit back and let the younger drivers ,and bosses ,make their OWN mistakes.who cares.
Well said sir.
[zb]
anorak:
We have progressed from the odd tale of derring-do to despicable organised crime, via the pros and cons of legislation. No problem- these are all valid arguments. The reduction in daily hours, from 10 to 8, with the introduction of the tachograph, must have been a good thing for the driver. Who wants to work more than 8 hours, every day, by law? Most other professions have a 37-40 hour week.
if you were tramping or on euro work,then how long would you last doing 8 hours a day before you were bankrupt having maxed out your cards in the baghouse,or blown your brains out with the boredom of being parked up 16 hours a day??..get real…
dieseldog999:
[zb]
anorak:
We have progressed from the odd tale of derring-do to despicable organised crime, via the pros and cons of legislation. No problem- these are all valid arguments. The reduction in daily hours, from 10 to 8, with the introduction of the tachograph, must have been a good thing for the driver. Who wants to work more than 8 hours, every day, by law? Most other professions have a 37-40 hour week.if you were tramping or on euro work,then how long would you last doing 8 hours a day before you were bankrupt having maxed out your cards in the baghouse,or blown your brains out with the boredom of being parked up 16 hours a day??..get real…
The implication is, if the vast majority of people obey the law, either through inclination or enforcement, they do not lose business. I believe that was the thinking behind the EEC driving hours rules- a better standard of living, combined with an improvement in road safety.
Well IMO, Any other job other than being a long distance driver was a doddle, I put the blame on the people that we were delivering to, For instance take Morris & Jones in Liverpool I used to deliver Danish Bacon there in the 50s, The persons who were in charge of off loading were just a set of awkward ■■■■■■■■ who went out of their way to mess you about causing delays in getting to your loading point for a return load, So when you got half the load on you ran out of time so what was a driver to do he was 150 mile from home & trying to get loaded, Couldn’t have booked a bed in some transport digs because they never knew what time they would finish & parked up for the night, These 9. till 5. jobs suited lots of people but a driver had or chose to do what was put in front of him, In fact a lot ended up sleeping in their cabs because of other peoples doings, I could go on forever saying the bloody things that happened to me in those days, So Im guilty of working too many hours & breaking the rules, But where would end, Never because of the awkward people in the 9. till 5 jobs caused all the bloody agro & problems that myself & thousands more hard working drivers had to put up with, But Im still here & have no regrets about what I did to make a living, Regards Larry.
Dead right about awkward gits,when trying to get loaded Larry . When I was hauling slag from Margam steelworks Port Talbot in the late 60’s,I was hauling quarry stone to South Wales, then loading back to Mid Wales from Margam, and those sods would mess us about as much as they could. I was starting at 4am and very often finishing at 9pm,but getting good money for it, also working for a good boss who was also driving full time, as well as servicing the vehicles and doing all the bookwork. I enjoyed the job. Let Carryfast and othesr have their 37 hours, I enjoyed my days driving lorries, even if we worked long hours. I had a nice car and bought my own property in my 20,s, so it wasn’t all bad.
Cheers Dave.
Dave the Renegade:
Dead right about awkward gits,when trying to get loaded Larry . When I was hauling slag from Margam steelworks Port Talbot in the late 60’s,I was hauling quarry stone to South Wales, then loading back to Mid Wales from Margam, and those sods would mess us about as much as they could. I was starting at 4am and very often finishing at 9pm,but getting good money for it, also working for a good boss who was also driving full time, as well as servicing the vehicles and doing all the bookwork. I enjoyed the job. Let Carryfast and othesr have their 37 hours, I enjoyed my days driving lorries, even if we worked long hours. I had a nice car and bought my own property in my 20,s, so it wasn’t all bad.
Cheers Dave.
Well like you said Dave we got paid for what we did, We didn’t hang out to get our hours in we just got on with it, In fact If the clock was turned back to those days I would do it all again with the old Mk 5 AEC, Regards Larry.
[zb]
anorak:
if you were tramping or on euro work,then how long would you last doing 8 hours a day before you were bankrupt having maxed out your cards in the baghouse,or blown your brains out with the boredom of being parked up 16 hours a day??..get real…
The implication is, if the vast majority of people obey the law, either through inclination or enforcement, they do not lose business. I believe that was the thinking behind the EEC driving hours rules- a better standard of living, combined with an improvement in road safety.
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As I said I think you’re confusing EU driving time limits with minimum daily rest period.The fact is the driving time limit is a pointless under allowance combined with an overall working day allowance that ignores the fact that it isn’t 11 hours of driving that would be the danger but not enough time for sleep during the minimum daily rest period of 9-11 hours. In addition to the fact that tachos don’t allow for unauthorised breaks if a driver feels like stopping for some extra break time without the guvnor knowing about it.
On that note a 12 hour minimum daily rest requirement wouldn’t lead to trampers being bored to suicidal levels.While also meaning more time for sleep for anyone on home every day jobs with a long commute home and back as part of a possibly 9 hour daily rest period.As for the 9 hour daily driving limit what is the point of it and exactly where did you get the idea of any EU 8 hour limit on any hours.
carryfast are you just a prick or do you always put your nose in ,you know F U-- ALL about what most of the men on here were doing in the 1970,80s 90s. you are just a giggle,were you a train spotter as well. ANORAK
deckboypeggy:
carryfast are you just a prick or do you always put your nose in ,you know F U-- ALL about what most of the men on here were doing in the 1970,80s 90s. you are just a giggle,were you a train spotter as well. ANORAK
More like a Stobart Spotter IMO, Ha Ha, I bet he has got an Eddie Bear that he takes to bed with him, Regards Larry.
“CF”'s understanding of the word “bent” is not in the same context that us Lads use the word 
Cheers Bewick.
I bet he can empty a Pub quicker than a Police raid.
Dave the Renegade:
I bet he can empty a Pub quicker than a Police raid.
Well said Dave, But he is most likely barred from all the pubs where he lives, Who would want a plonker like him in a pub The beer would go as flat as a ■■■■ as soon as he came into the bar, Im pleased he lives 300 mile away from me, Regards Larry.
Carry yourself fast away, it is time to do home work and pack the lunch box for Carry ■■■■ going to school tomorrow, he would not know one end of a truck to the other end and thinks the end of the trailer is the part that goes forward.
They call him cf…cfffff… And he drove the faster Gritter in the west
The infamous Robbo aka robocop (Graham Robinson) retired from the police force and now plies his trade working for the other side so to speak as a transport consultant defending hauliers and drivers!!!
Jesus, what is it about an educated opinion that worries you lot to the point of ■■■■ slinging?? I’ve been reading pistes on here for years but nit really posted because I’m an idle git, however, I personally enjoy the voicing a of Carryfast, I may not always agree but he does, without fail, permit us to see all view points of an ‘argument’. Is this a bad thing? Only if you’re the school bulky that doesn’t like to shown up or proved wrong…
Just because there are many of you who like to shout and shout loud, it doesn’t make Carryfast wrong, rereading this entire thread, strengthens his points because each of his retorts is substantiated by ‘comment’ rather than bickering. Never thought I’d say this, but Laurence - raise your game above your last posts and you may be taken equally seriously by us ‘lurkers’!
The white elephant in the room - in general, those running bent weren’t far from the bottom rung of the ladder, a bit like scaffolders in the construction industry. An extra pound in the pocket today is sufficient…
So this thread has descended into name calling and ■■■■ taking. Is it not about running bent in the 80s and 90s and would you earn more for doing such?
I now find I was on the lowest rung of the ladder, a crook and was alone in running bent at times.
Was I the only one? Nope, on European tramping even the big companies put pressure on their drivers to bend to the customers demands. Of course with most companies the harder you worked the better the money.
As for 8 hours driving then 12 hours rest, no way would that get anything done.
France, Italy and Spain all had police that could be persuaded to your view of the tacho rules!