karl2878:
Carry fast you are a head peck I gather you didn’t do much driving but you steer a mean keyboard and by the way ie leave it out
You seem to be saying that log books didn’t provide more ‘advantages’ regarding a better hours regime for drivers regards rest time while tachos did.In which case I’d reverse your comments.You’re talking bollox. 
Dave the Renegade:
Carryfast:
Dave the Renegade:
It was an EU ruling which brought in the tachograph, not the guvnors as you are trying to say. Just about all the legislation that has been brought into the UK, regarding road haulage in the last 30 years has come from the EU.‘If’ you’ve read my posts you’d have seen that’s exactly what I said.However I ‘also’ said that it was the ‘unions’ who ‘opposed’ it not the guvnors.
Which from experience was proved in my case after an argument with my guvnor on the council under domestic regs using log books.Having distrusted my ‘break regime’ under log books and ‘not’ because he thought I wasn’t taking enough break time during the day.
Most of the Council drivers are exempt from tachograph rules, so I don’t know how you came up with this statement. Also most Council employees don’t do anywhere near the hours to contravene any legislation, unless they are gritting in severe weather, and the tachograph is not required.
Which part of I was a council driver under domestic regs using log books don’t you understand and I had ‘an argument’ with my guvnor regarding the fact that ‘he thought’ that I was taking advantage of the fact by taking ‘more’ time off on break during the day than he thought I should have been and was entitled to. But he obviously didn’t have the luxury of any tacho records to prove it.He obviously only had,what ‘I’d chosen’,to show as work and break on the log book.Here’s a clue no one ever got done by the ministry for recording break as work or driving unlike vice versa. 
Carryfast:
karl2878:
Carry fast you are a head peck I gather you didn’t do much driving but you steer a mean keyboard and by the way ie leave it outYou seem to be saying that log books didn’t provide more ‘advantages’ regarding a better hours regime for drivers regards rest time while tachos did.In which case I’d reverse your comments.You’re talking bollox.
He didn’t say anything of the sort. You said it, just there^^^. It’s bollox for sure, but it’s you that’s spouting it, as usual.
Other than knowing rules and regs which can be found on the web, I wondered what and were carryfast had driven (other than us round the bend ) not much that far.can’t imagine a council waggon being overloaded , no limiter and winding the clock on.pull the door too
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anorak:Carryfast:
karl2878:
Carry fast you are a head peck I gather you didn’t do much driving but you steer a mean keyboard and by the way ie leave it outYou seem to be saying that log books didn’t provide more ‘advantages’ regarding a better hours regime for drivers regards rest time while tachos did.In which case I’d reverse your comments.You’re talking bollox.
He didn’t say anything of the sort. You said it, just there^^^. It’s bollox for sure, but it’s you that’s spouting it, as usual.
‘He’ effectively said that ‘I’ don’t know what I’m talking about in the case of saying that log books provided the ability for drivers to take ‘unofficial’ breaks without the guvnor knowing about it.When the fact is that is exactly why the unions ( rightly ) opposed the EU’s imposition of tachos and vice versa in the case of the guvnors.
karl2878:
Other than knowing rules and regs which can be found on the web, I wondered what and were carryfast had driven (other than us round the bend ) not much that far.can’t imagine a council waggon being overloaded , no limiter and winding the clock on.pull the door too
The fact is the advantages of log books,in providing a better hours regime,than tachos,which I’ve described,applied and still apply in other parts of the civilised world,just the same in the case of haulage operations.Before the EU and the guvnors decided to impose tachos.
I said you were a head peck bleating on about logbooks,we stopped using them when the ark sank and union failed since then we used tachos and now digi ones both of which manual entries can be used legally but can also be exploited the same way logbooks were or are.hence running bent 80s 90s clue is in the name of thread when you work in the hire or reward for longer distance or even a nite away you will know you can choose when were and how you plan your day and if that frightened you don’t do it .don’t come big and clever with me it ain’t working I’ve done more miles reversing on loading bays than you going forwards I’ve read enough good night all!!!
karl2878:
I said you were a head peck bleating on about logbooks,we stopped using them when the ark sank and union failed since then we used tachos and now digi ones both of which manual entries can be used legally but can also be exploited the same way logbooks were or are.hence running bent 80s 90s clue is in the name of thread I’ve done more miles reversing on loading bays than you going forwards I’ve read enough good night all!!!
My comments were actually in reply to Saviem’s comments.In which he was making the case that all the modern day regulation bs is supposedly a good thing.
As for tachos,unlike log books,the guvnor,or VOSA,are possibly obviously going to want to know the reason for the removal of the chart/card during the shift and the manual entry.Especially if it is a manual entry showing driving on a functioning tacho.
Are you “anti” ‘Guv’nor “CF” (sorry about using so many inverted comma’s) and I thought you were a good Mucker of mine 
Anyhow mate how do you fancy putting up for FIFA President,Owd’ Sepp couldn’t hold a candle to you as you could show him what the word “bent” really meant as you’d have the impoverished members from Africa and beyond paying you, not the other way round !!! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Are you “anti” 'Guv’nor “CF” (sorry about using so many inverted comma’s) and I thought you were a good Mucker of mine
To be fair the Guvnor’s interests are always going to be opposite to the workers.In which case as I said feel free to explain how tachos did anything other than provide the guvnors with a stick to use on the backs of drivers regards ‘unauthorised breaks’ or ‘late starts’ and ‘early finishes’ at least,while doing nothing to stop those with criminal intent regards hours regs.Thereby creating an hours regime which resulted in less rest for drivers not more.
Lawrence Dunbar:
karl2878:
Carry fast you are a head peck I gather you didn’t do much driving but you steer a mean keyboard and by the way ie leave it outSpot on, As Ive said before what a ■■■■■■, Regards Larry.
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3300 John your post was spot on when I did my first trip to Italy I was told I needs to do this that and the other there were plenty of people about to ask, if you brokedown someone stopped to help that quickly vanished. I went to load a flat trailer yesterday I got on the back sorting straps out ,moving sheets to the back when told by a upstart to “come down carntgo on the back, that trailer is now a working platform and you’ve no
Hand rail I’m looking out for your health and safety”. I said how am I supposed to sheet it up as your goods will get wet he replied ,not my problem drive with that I said thanks don’t need your load and pulled out.
I do miss being a driver and all that went with it there are plenty of us around you can spot us a mile away say nothing ,observe ,and shake the head , first out first back (sometimes) I think egos have gone as big as the shiny trucks they drive ,sun glasses in the cloud c’mon…
hiya …it looks like another topic is spoiled by the member
Well leave im to it I’m sure as drivers who did what we had to to get the job done won’t let something trivial as that put a dampner on the thread eh …
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Are you “anti” 'Guv’nor “CF” (sorry about using so many inverted comma’s) and I thought you were a good Mucker of mineTo be fair the Guvnor’s interests are always going to be opposite to the workers.In which case as I said feel free to explain how tachos did anything other than provide the guvnors with a stick to use on the backs of drivers regards ‘unauthorised breaks’ or ‘late starts’ and ‘early finishes’ at least,while doing nothing to stop those with criminal intent regards hours regs.Thereby creating an hours regime which resulted in less rest for drivers not more.
This thread just goes from strength to strength !!!
Where do we start…?
Firstly, with all due respect mr Carryfast I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure in reading so much dribble in one go. Drivers and Guvnors interests are never going to be opposite as in most cases they only do what they do to achieve the same result, whether it is profit or wages, the result is a standard of living and money. Secondly, as karl2878 correctly pointed out the majority of us were brought up in the “get the job done” way of doing things which doesn’t translate into always breaking the rules, and didn’t spend all our time focused on unauthorised breaks, late starts and early finishes which personally if somebody thinks like that I find a little sad. Thirdly, I do believe that if a driver was of an honest and hard working nature (and the Guvnor likewise) the tachograph did nothing but to improve his working environment, including all the related issues such as safety and time off, not to mention a true visual record of the working day.
Please put the shovel down and stop digging that big hole that your going to fall in !!!
Hiya…Techo,s!!! Gemany had the big say in how they worked rules and speeds…look at the German road net
work…when tacho,s fist come on the market in the UK we was still running through the capital to get from all
places to Dover the main port. then we had Brum stuck in the middle of the major spine of the road network.
in the UK we get all these so called clever transport specialists who have come from other countries, some 30 times
bigger than the uk with only one% of the population. if the government asked the people who used the network in
the UK they would get answers…10 years ago a 28 year old transport specialist come from Calgary to sort Birmingham
transport problem out. she didn’t last long…i think she wanted to put 3 extra lanes straight through junction 6 with a
some amount of money that made the road network people sway with shock. if you don’t live in the UK you can’t
understand how we work. look at the M6 from Coventry to Carnforth theres a city lass than every 30 miles.
traveling south from Calgary outskirt to the US boarder i don’t think there,s 30 houses on route yet alone cities.
ISHIFT5:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Are you “anti” 'Guv’nor “CF” (sorry about using so many inverted comma’s) and I thought you were a good Mucker of mineTo be fair the Guvnor’s interests are always going to be opposite to the workers.In which case as I said feel free to explain how tachos did anything other than provide the guvnors with a stick to use on the backs of drivers regards ‘unauthorised breaks’ or ‘late starts’ and ‘early finishes’ at least,while doing nothing to stop those with criminal intent regards hours regs.Thereby creating an hours regime which resulted in less rest for drivers not more.
This thread just goes from strength to strength !!!
Where do we start…?
Firstly, with all due respect mr Carryfast I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure in reading so much dribble in one go. Drivers and Guvnors interests are never going to be opposite as in most cases they only do what they do to achieve the same result, whether it is profit or wages, the result is a standard of living and money. Secondly, as karl2878 correctly pointed out the majority of us were brought up in the “get the job done” way of doing things which doesn’t translate into always breaking the rules, and didn’t spend all our time focused on unauthorised breaks, late starts and early finishes which personally if somebody thinks like that I find a little sad. Thirdly, I do believe that if a driver was of an honest and hard working nature (and the Guvnor likewise) the tachograph did nothing but to improve his working environment, including all the related issues such as safety and time off, not to mention a true visual record of the working day.
Please put the shovel down and stop digging that big hole that your going to fall in !!!
To reverse your own comments I’ve not read as much contradictory bs that attempts to justify what you’re all supposedly moaning about.It’s actually the ‘get the job done’ mentality that has turned the job into the over regulated nightmare which so many are moaning about.Wether it be 15 hour days or trucks parking up on the hard shoulder of motorways because the tacho says they have to.
As I said feel free to explain exactly how tachographs did anything other than reduce the amount of break/daily rest time that law abiding drivers could ‘create’ using the ‘flexibility’ of log books while doing absolutely nothing to stop the type of criminal acts described in the topic involving the disabling of tachos and silly hours running.
IE the fact is all they did was to help guvnors yes men to work to the limits of EU hours regs and for guvnors to enforce same on the more sensible drivers who understood that EU hours regs are certainly not there to maximise daily rest/break periods for drivers and thereby minimising the issue of driver fatigue.While as we’ve seen those who were up for committing fraud to run as many hours as they wanted certainly weren’t going to be stopped by zb tachos.
3300John:
hiya …it looks like another topic is spoiled by the member
Or just another example that disagreement with their point of view won’t be tolerated by the usual suspects.
Dan Punchard:
andrewv8:
Dan Punchard:
I used to go with one driver who would drop the cable off for 45 mins twice a day and at the end off the day too ,also another who had a switch on the dash with a T marked on in tipex and a bull dog clip next to it with delivery notes on to cover it up ,I’ve also known plenty convert to pull stops too !Did this person have a square head and 2 brothers, lives in a ‘relatively’ small town?
A one horse town ,and half a finger !
I saw that person on the A50 the other day, flat out at 50 mph in his sprinter pick up lol. The person I was thinking of was 1 of his son’s, he who must be obeyed 
ISHIFT5:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Are you “anti” 'Guv’nor “CF” (sorry about using so many inverted comma’s) and I thought you were a good Mucker of mineTo be fair the Guvnor’s interests are always going to be opposite to the workers.In which case as I said feel free to explain how tachos did anything other than provide the guvnors with a stick to use on the backs of drivers regards ‘unauthorised breaks’ or ‘late starts’ and ‘early finishes’ at least,while doing nothing to stop those with criminal intent regards hours regs.Thereby creating an hours regime which resulted in less rest for drivers not more.
This thread just goes from strength to strength !!!
Where do we start…?
Firstly, with all due respect mr Carryfast I don’t think I’ve had the pleasure in reading so much dribble in one go. Drivers and Guvnors interests are never going to be opposite as in most cases they only do what they do to achieve the same result, whether it is profit or wages, the result is a standard of living and money. Secondly, as karl2878 correctly pointed out the majority of us were brought up in the “get the job done” way of doing things which doesn’t translate into always breaking the rules, and didn’t spend all our time focused on unauthorised breaks, late starts and early finishes which personally if somebody thinks like that I find a little sad. Thirdly, I do believe that if a driver was of an honest and hard working nature (and the Guvnor likewise) the tachograph did nothing but to improve his working environment, including all the related issues such as safety and time off, not to mention a true visual record of the working day.
Please put the shovel down and stop digging that big hole that your going to fall in !!!
I don’t know where Carryfast gets the Guvnors V drivers issue from. All the various people I have worked for, both as a driver or as a TM, have one common aim. To keep the business profitable,thus keeping everyone in a job,with everyone earning a living.
As for the boss making the money,they took the risk and had the guts to run a business,so they earn the bigger bucks, because its their neck on the line. I admire anyone who has run a haulage business,because its a hard and lonely job being the boss.
Cheers Dave.