Here you go Dennis no good spoiling a good trailer. Les.
Bewick:
The Leatherhead Leper has really bitten off more than even he can chew this time Les ! Cheers Dennis.
Check this out Bewick specifically the advice related to ‘‘Tarpaulins/Sheets’’.I’ve never been to NZ in my life but I know they routinely carry more weight on a truck than around two of your podding old 32 tonners could have handled and I’m bleedin sure I read something very similar issued by the ‘ministry’ when I needed the advice.Specifically related to roping between loads thereby using just a poxy piece of canvas sheet to secure it.Luckily for me I never listened to those with your ideas. 
Carryfast:
Bewick:
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A 10ton load of loose Westmorland water worn rockery en route to the S.east so “CF” can you observe that it is the sheet that is keeping the pieces secure and then the load is roped over for additional security ! Cheers.If you use a sheet in any way to ‘secure’ a load it’s a nick for an insecure load whichever side of the Atlantic it is.Bearing in mind that it’s common to either ‘secure’ a load without a sheet or without roping/strapping over the sheet.Let alone the silly idea of roping over the sheet but between the load thereby using just the sheet as the only means of securement which we’re talking about here.
‘‘Straps first then the sheets’’.Feel free to explain how that works going by your logic.
Let me guess you’ll then say that bungees,( or sheet ties ),will do the same job as the straps or ropes in holding the load by just using them to tie down the the sheet over the load.IE the whole bs idea is trashed by the inconvenient fact of un sheeted loads or places where the expected practice is to rope/strap and then just sheet.
That’s the modern day VOSA Man way CF where anything irrespective of how its been palletised and packed must have a ratchet strap securing it over a certain weight. Thats because the modern day VOSA Man hasn’t a clue and will quote from his handbook that he’s been given so he can fine you. I thinl 400kgs is the weight they quote but one size doesnt fit all. Ropes are now not accepted has adequate because the industry are trying to make the job as simple as it can be so anyone can do it , just look at how many auto lorries are on the road. VOSA are self funding so they want to prosecute you.Sheets have always been used to secure a load and if you spoke to any of the old wool men of Bradford they would tell you the same.
Carryfast:
Bewick:
The Leatherhead Leper has really bitten off more than even he can chew this time Les ! Cheers Dennis.Check this out Bewick specifically the advice related to ‘‘Tarpaulins/Sheets’’.I’ve never been to NZ in my life but I know they routinely carry more weight on a truck than around two of your podding old 32 tonners could have handled and I’m bleedin sure I read something very similar issued by the ‘ministry’ when I needed the advice.Specifically related to roping between loads thereby using just a poxy piece of canvas sheet to secure it.Luckily for me I never listened to those with your ideas.
I can sum this bollox up you have posted “CF” in two words COMMON SENSE ! Made my ■■■■■■■ teeth itch reading it as it just puts into language for “■■■■ heads” to understand Oooo! my ■■■■■■■ head hurts !! There is ■■■■ all in that NZ blurb that wasn’t been carried out in the UK transport industry in years past and long before the introduction of Curtainsiders either ! I really do not know how I and many many others managed to keep a blemish free record over the years hauling all kinds of goods ! I accept it is a complete waste of breath debating any subject with the “Leatherhead Sage” who knows everything about everything but ■■■■ all about anything ! but I really now can’t imagine how I survived through my “hands on” years in the industry ! I suppose it must have been a case of “there for the grace of God and I was extremely lucky” and the same applied to the excellent record we built up at Bewick Transport over many years. Surely it can’t be all put down to “Good Luck” “CF” ? Dear oh dear I can’t believe I’ve typed all this I must becoming a very sad ■■■■ in my later years ! Cheers Bewick.
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“COMMON SENSE” Absolutely…and I will add an instinctive feel for the job that all good general haulage drivers had or still have, irrespective of whether, or not, a load needed sheeting purely for weather proofing reasons. I once sheeted a full load of sprinkler system steel pipes, all bundled up in pipe sizes ranging from 1 inch diameter to 6 inches diameter, length of pipes about 12 feet. They were carried in securely tied bundles in goal posts, so why did I sheet them? Because it was getting to the end of that particular job so there were quite a few odd shaped bends and fittings on top of the load. They nestled between the top bundles so the chances of them falling off were remote even though not every rope would trap all of them, but rather than risk it I used the sheet to secure them.
ramone:
That’s the modern day VOSA Man way CF where anything irrespective of how its been palletised and packed must have a ratchet strap securing it over a certain weight. Thats because the modern day VOSA Man hasn’t a clue and will quote from his handbook that he’s been given so he can fine you. I thinl 400kgs is the weight they quote but one size doesnt fit all. Ropes are now not accepted has adequate because the industry are trying to make the job as simple as it can be so anyone can do it , just look at how many auto lorries are on the road. VOSA are self funding so they want to prosecute you.Sheets have always been used to secure a load and if you spoke to any of the old wool men of Bradford they would tell you the same.
I’m definitely from memory going back to early 80’s at least with the rule don’t use sheets to secure loads.Especially the bad practice of roping between loads with the intention of using the sheet not the ropes to hold the load and that the ‘ministry’ would be looking for and taking a dim view of it.Don’t think that VOSA existed then ?.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
nzta.govt.nz/assets/resource … cs/tlc.pdfI can sum this bollox up you have posted “CF” in two words COMMON SENSE ! Made my [zb] teeth itch reading it as it just puts into language for “■■■■ heads” to understand Oooo! my [zb] head hurts !! There is [zb] all in that NZ blurb that wasn’t been carried out in the UK transport industry in years past and long before the introduction of Curtainsiders either ! I really do not know how I and many many others managed to keep a blemish free record over the years hauling all kinds of goods ! I accept it is a complete waste of breath debating any subject with the “Leatherhead Sage” who knows everything about everything but [zb] all about anything ! but I really now can’t imagine how I survived through my “hands on” years in the industry ! I suppose it must have been a case of “there for the grace of God and I was extremely lucky” and the same applied to the excellent record we built up at Bewick Transport over many years. Surely it can’t be all put down to “Good Luck” “CF” ? Dear oh dear I can’t believe I’ve typed all this I must becoming a very sad [zb] in my later years ! Cheers Bewick.
Oh wait.It puts Common Sense and old school practice into language that Richard Heads can understand.So did you read the short concise clear advice related to the use of Sheets ?.
gingerfold:
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“COMMON SENSE” Absolutely.
So which part of,‘‘Except in the case of very light loads ( 0.5t or less ) sheets or tarpaulins should be regarded as providing no more than weather protection’’ , didn’t you understand.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
The Leatherhead Leper has really bitten off more than even he can chew this time Les ! Cheers Dennis.Check this out Bewick specifically the advice related to ‘‘Tarpaulins/Sheets’’.I’ve never been to NZ in my life but I know they routinely carry more weight on a truck than around two of your podding old 32 tonners could have handled and I’m bleedin sure I read something very similar issued by the ‘ministry’ when I needed the advice.Specifically related to roping between loads thereby using just a poxy piece of canvas sheet to secure it.Luckily for me I never listened to those with your ideas.
I can sum this bollox up you have posted “CF” in two words COMMON SENSE ! Made my [zb] teeth itch reading it as it just puts into language for “■■■■ heads” to understand Oooo! my [zb] head hurts !! There is [zb] all in that NZ blurb that wasn’t been carried out in the UK transport industry in years past and long before the introduction of Curtainsiders either ! I really do not know how I and many many others managed to keep a blemish free record over the years hauling all kinds of goods ! I accept it is a complete waste of breath debating any subject with the “Leatherhead Sage” who knows everything about everything but [zb] all about anything ! but I really now can’t imagine how I survived through my “hands on” years in the industry ! I suppose it must have been a case of “there for the grace of God and I was extremely lucky” and the same applied to the excellent record we built up at Bewick Transport over many years. Surely it can’t be all put down to “Good Luck” “CF” ? Dear oh dear I can’t believe I’ve typed all this I must becoming a very sad [zb] in my later years ! Cheers Bewick.
I take it you wont be taking CFs advice then Dennis
Les will be able to vouch for this, when we carried glass on flat trailers we always sheeted them firstly to keep them dry and secondly because toughened glass tends to shatter.If i had stillages on i would strap them before sheeting then sheet and rope them .The glass was banded to the stillages and if a a sheet shattered the bands would start to go slack and the shattered glass would be all over the road. As for roping wool , if you roped the softer bales instead of between them once moving the ropes would go slack , as they settled. I’m sure though that Les would listen to any advice on how these bales would be loaded from the 3rd floor of a mill with a crane that only went down … most interested i would guess
I think were wasting our time with this dead head but your right about the soft bales that you have to save for the top, you can’t rope the bale its too soft and the ones underneath slide out into the sheet making not a " SAFE " load, as for glass imagine the idiot carrying that, and bales the Monty’s out of the slings at Liverpool docks weigh about a ton each, one way crane, down, where it drops it stays imagine saying to a docker can you move them with the truck i can’t secure them, oh ok drive ■■■■ off and don’t come back, glad i’m retired and don’t have to work with idiots like him and his rule book. Les.
On a lighter note…
landowner:
On a lighter note…
“CF” said he wouldn’t drive this motor unless it had a Bostrom seat ! Cheers Dennis.
ramone:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Bewick:
The Leatherhead Leper has really bitten off more than even he can chew this time Les ! Cheers Dennis.Check this out Bewick specifically the advice related to ‘‘Tarpaulins/Sheets’’.I’ve never been to NZ in my life but I know they routinely carry more weight on a truck than around two of your podding old 32 tonners could have handled and I’m bleedin sure I read something very similar issued by the ‘ministry’ when I needed the advice.Specifically related to roping between loads thereby using just a poxy piece of canvas sheet to secure it.Luckily for me I never listened to those with your ideas.
I can sum this bollox up you have posted “CF” in two words COMMON SENSE ! Made my [zb] teeth itch reading it as it just puts into language for “■■■■ heads” to understand Oooo! my [zb] head hurts !! There is [zb] all in that NZ blurb that wasn’t been carried out in the UK transport industry in years past and long before the introduction of Curtainsiders either ! I really do not know how I and many many others managed to keep a blemish free record over the years hauling all kinds of goods ! I accept it is a complete waste of breath debating any subject with the “Leatherhead Sage” who knows everything about everything but [zb] all about anything ! but I really now can’t imagine how I survived through my “hands on” years in the industry ! I suppose it must have been a case of “there for the grace of God and I was extremely lucky” and the same applied to the excellent record we built up at Bewick Transport over many years. Surely it can’t be all put down to “Good Luck” “CF” ? Dear oh dear I can’t believe I’ve typed all this I must becoming a very sad [zb] in my later years ! Cheers Bewick.
I take it you wont be taking CFs advice then Dennis
Now come on “ramone” I wouldn’t accept “CF”'s advice if he was to tell me it was going to come light in the morning ! Would you ? Oh yes! I can see you “wavering” about disagreeing with me !!! 
Cheers Dennis
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
nzta.govt.nz/assets/resource … cs/tlc.pdfI can sum this bollox up you have posted “CF” in two words COMMON SENSE ! Made my [zb] teeth itch reading it as it just puts into language for “■■■■ heads” to understand Oooo! my [zb] head hurts !! There is [zb] all in that NZ blurb that wasn’t been carried out in the UK transport industry in years past and long before the introduction of Curtainsiders either ! I really do not know how I and many many others managed to keep a blemish free record over the years hauling all kinds of goods ! I accept it is a complete waste of breath debating any subject with the “Leatherhead Sage” who knows everything about everything but [zb] all about anything ! but I really now can’t imagine how I survived through my “hands on” years in the industry ! I suppose it must have been a case of “there for the grace of God and I was extremely lucky” and the same applied to the excellent record we built up at Bewick Transport over many years. Surely it can’t be all put down to “Good Luck” “CF” ? Dear oh dear I can’t believe I’ve typed all this I must becoming a very sad [zb] in my later years ! Cheers Bewick.
Oh wait.It puts Common Sense and old school practice into language that Richard Heads can understand.So did you read the short concise clear advice related to the use of Sheets ?.
So come on pray tell when did you change your name by Deed Poll to “Richard Head”—Matron must have filled the documentation in for you I guess ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Oh wait.It puts Common Sense and old school practice into language that Richard Heads can understand.So did you read the short concise clear advice related to the use of Sheets ?.So come on pray tell when did you change your name by Deed Poll to “Richard Head”—Matron must have filled the documentation in for you I guess ! Cheers Bewick.
Answer the question Bewick did you read it or not ?.If so write in big capital letters what it said.
Bewick:
Now come on “ramone” I wouldn’t accept “CF”'s advice if he was to tell me it was going to come light in the morning ! Would you ? Oh yes! I can see you “wavering” about disagreeing with me !!!
Probably because unlike you he’s actually read what this ‘Common Sense’ advice,making it clear to Richard Heads,actually said regarding the use of sheets.
I agree with everything Carryfast said, but I would still do it the proper way 
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Carryfast:
Oh wait.It puts Common Sense and old school practice into language that Richard Heads can understand.So did you read the short concise clear advice related to the use of Sheets ?.So come on pray tell when did you change your name by Deed Poll to “Richard Head”—Matron must have filled the documentation in for you I guess ! Cheers Bewick.
Answer the question Bewick did you read it or not ?.If so write in big capital letters what it said.
F.Y.I. “■■■■■■■■■ I did start to read the info but very quickly realised it was nothing more than an explanation of the bleeding obvious i.e. COMMON SENSE ! It was so much bollox I really do wonder about the likes of you Pal so much so that if you were offered info on “How to go to the Bog” and they missed out the bit that you had to “drop your kecks” first what would happen ■■? So when you were walking like John Wayne it would be no good saying “well the book said nowt about dropping 'me kecks first” eh! So who would have to clean that lot up ? ■■■■■■■■ ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
F.Y.I. “[zb]” I did start to read the info but very quickly realised it was nothing more than an explanation of the bleeding obvious i.e. COMMON SENSE ! It was so much bollox I really do wonder about the likes of you Pal so much so that if you were offered info on “How to go to the Bog” and they missed out the bit that you had to “drop your kecks” first what would happen ■■? So when you were walking like John Wayne it would be no good saying “well the book said nowt about dropping 'me kecks first” eh! So who would have to clean that lot up ? [zb] ! Cheers Bewick.
Except in this case the ‘Common Sense’ in question clearly stated exactly how and how not to use sheets.