Juddian:
What happened to driving by the seat of yer pants and using a bit of common bloody sense, AND looking at the road layout and surface you are about to encounter.
You fool 
Fancy coming onto a drivers forum and actually talking sense? What on earth is the matter? Donât you realise that you are supposed to be controversial, argumentative, judgemental and always presume guilt- but only of others, never your ownâŚ?
Sheeesh!
fredthered:
I suppose many factors come into play when these situations occur and Iâm pretty sure that one of those factors is vehicle loading. There are many companies that load overnight or in the absence of the driver and the people doing it have no idea about the distribution of the weight of the load or indeed the security of it. The trailer is then sealed and it could be an accident waiting to happen. Too many amateurs and corner cutters in this game now IMO or is it that drivers are not as well trained as they should or used to be?Hmm⌠Lorries never got loaded in a drivers absence or managed to get turned over in the âgood old daysâ then?
I have a colleague who assures me that haulage was just as cut throat when he started forty six years ago as it was when I started twenty six years laterâŚ
When exactly was this halycon, rose tinted era when the job was âdun rightâ and everyone was safe and happy and why (if you were there at all) did you let it slip through your fingers to become the Industry we work in todayâŚ?
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tommy t:
Could the AUTO box be partly responsible, lots or rollovers also lots more auto trucks in recent years ?
I personally donât like auto boxes in a car or truck, If i was to buy my own truck it wouldnât be an auto,
Please explain to me (and everyone else who is currently shaking their head) just how an automated manual transmission will make a lorry overturn 
Speedy Duck:
3 July 2012 Last updated at 08:40BBC News
Overturned lorry closes two lanes of M5 northboundTwo lanes of the M5 northbound in Worcestershire have been closed after a lorry with a trailer overturned.
A spokesman for the Highways Agency said the accident happened at 07:20 BST just before Strensham services.
He said two lanes were closed between junctions seven and eight and vehicle recovery work was under way.
Speaking on BBC Hereford and Worcester, he added that at 08:20 there were four miles of tailbacks but he hoped the situation would improve after 09:00.
This is fairly staright isnât it?
You are spot on. this stretch is more or less straight, no adverse cambers. Its a magnet for accidents - particular on a friday, so who knows in this case.
danj:
the one on m5 was a dhl 12 plate volvo only second day on the road agency driver fell asleep truck didnt roll aparently but a people carrier following hit the debris and rolled with 4 people in. agency driver was 77 all people involved were ok lucky boy but the crash barrier has killed the volvo ooopppps
Firstly, was the volvo only on its second outing - or was it the agency drivers second outing? Im sorry, and Im going to appear ageist but 77 years old to me seems a tad old. I dont mean to be rude but I worry about elderly car drivers, and I dont know the guy who crashed, but surely this is a bit riskyâŚ
lightning:
danj:
the one on m5 was a dhl 12 plate volvo only second day on the road agency driver fell asleep truck didnt roll aparently but a people carrier following hit the debris and rolled with 4 people in. agency driver was 77 all people involved were ok lucky boy but the crash barrier has killed the volvo oooppppsFirstly, was the volvo only on its second outing - or was it the agency drivers second outing? Im sorry, and Im going to appear ageist but 77 years old to me seems a tad old. I dont mean to be rude but I worry about elderly car drivers, and I dont know the guy who crashed, but surely this is a bit riskyâŚ
Is there a time limit on when you can crash a new vehicle then Would it be ok if it was the third or forth trip
Oh and BTW you donât appear ageist, you appear to be a bit dim 
Piston broke:
You foolSheeesh!
Its a fair cop guv, you got me bang to rights⌠
One went over on the a50 intact there is a big operation here forklift on the road police everywhere! Just after the racecourse roundabout!
I am here: maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.907302,-1.855122
Sorry but the truck on the m5 was a renualt wagon and drag duraflex lorry I was going south and the back end was upright but the front end was on itâs side at 11 30 coming back north 3 hours later 
still had to come off at j9 because of standing traffic 6 hours or more after the accident
i think those videos are brilliant for a few reasons, the main one being it shows just how quickly it can happen, people often go on about 56mph being a trundling along pace but i think those videos prove that even 56mph with weight on the back is too quick to react in the way the weight requires.
i had a close call once, i up until then believed that accidents like this were simply asleep drivers and strong winds and that a wobble could be caught but when you have 44t at 56mph and a lot of pendulum effect combined with gravity something is going to give,
i also think the video proves that there needs to be more education for road users, both truck and car and especially cycle users about just what driving a truck entails, are weaknesses , blind spots lane discipline, yes there will be ignorant drivers out there that wonât give a â â â â and still cut in and undertake and swerve, but i genuinely do believe 99% of the âcar driving idiotsâ we swear at every day simply do not understand what we have to deal with. maybe if they did there would be a change in cars getting rear ended, or fallen upon by trailers
Juddian:
What happened to driving by the seat of yer pants and using a bit of common bloody sense, AND looking at the road layout and surface you are about to encounter.
With new trucks I suppose there is the feeling you are safer with beter brakes and suspension and steering and perhaps you feel a lot more remote and secure than in a truck of say even 15 years ago but at the end of the day the gravity and inertia of a fully laden truck still has to be respected.
kr79:
Juddian:
What happened to driving by the seat of yer pants and using a bit of common bloody sense, AND looking at the road layout and surface you are about to encounter.With new trucks I suppose there is the feeling you are safer with beter brakes and suspension and steering and perhaps you feel a lot more remote and secure than in a truck of say even 15 years ago but at the end of the day the gravity and inertia of a fully laden truck still has to be respected.
i drive new trucks all the time though and i can still feel that weight pushing pulling and trying to manoeuvre me, i am aware of the load and i drive to suit it, very carefully. the truck hasnât hidden all these forces from me, it just makes them easier to deal with,
your right though this is part of the problem, the stability control, the traction control, etc they help out but they can only go so far, and if you are a mug who is willing to really push it, or unfortunate enough to have to react in an emergency situation by swerving or braking hard, these systems that you have been pushing to there limits will no longer be able to help you
Thatâs the thing if you get a trailer wheel off the ground itâs luck that stops it going over not skill or judgement.
exactly, there are counter measures that can be done some of the time, but 99% of the time, you see a wheel lift thats your â â â ,
its a tough one really as our bodies natural reactions are often are undoing, i have an extremely quick reaction time, which in turn comes with a really bad case of jumping at anything sudden, this is exactly the kind of thing that rolls trucks, that video with the car coming to the truck, because the driver reacted quickly, he yanked on the wheel, hit the car anyway and still managed to unbalance the truck.
fluid movement is the key, and unfortunately our body wants to do the total opposite when shocked/ in danger/ etc.
i am a much more fluid driver now then when i passed my test. most of which i put down to a couple of bad incidents which i learnt from and the fact that i raced autograss / stock cars on wet fields for a long time, and occasionally drift, nice smooth, non sudden inputs to the wheels and pedals
Nearly all my driving has been on bulk work to landfill both artic and 8 wheelers and itâs something you quickly become aware of.
i suppose i am lucky that my first class 1 job was walking floors, that could be anything from paper, to sand metal and rock. and yeah i also moved onto the bulk tippers, a few flight cases and truss now doesnât really get me twitching, although a light trailer can be just as bad as a heavy trailer
danj:
the one on m5 was a dhl 12 plate volvo only second day on the road agency driver fell asleep truck didnt roll aparently but a people carrier following hit the debris and rolled with 4 people in. agency driver was 77 all people involved were ok lucky boy but the crash barrier has killed the volvo ooopppps
How do you know he fell asleep
He was wearing pyjamas and cuddling a teddybear when the old bill got there. My mate told me
kr79:
Whirlwind:
danj:
the one on m5 was a dhl 12 plate volvo only second day on the road agency driver fell asleep truck didnt roll aparently but a people carrier following hit the debris and rolled with 4 people in. agency driver was 77 all people involved were ok lucky boy but the crash barrier has killed the volvo oooppppsHow do you know he fell asleep
He was wearing pyjamas and cuddling a teddybear when the old bill got there. My mate told me
kr79:
He was wearing pyjamas and cuddling a teddybear when the old bill got there. My mate told me
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