muckles:
Looking at the exemptions as long as they are only road testing the vehicles or taking them for test then they would be exempt. Once the vehicle is being used for commercial use then the driver will need a DCPC.
I think they’ll be a few court cases when this comes in to clarify the situation.
fitters dont use tachos either
They use a workshop digicard.
Conor. Tell me what a workshop card is.
Hang on, you think the mechanic needs one for a road test don’t you?
states “The tachograph workshop card can, and should, be used as a driver card during any road tests related to tachograph work.”
Seems apols are due from me, but the workshop card must only be used if any such driving is related to tachograph work, not all the other things a fitter might do.
muckles:
Looking at the exemptions as long as they are only road testing the vehicles or taking them for test then they would be exempt. Once the vehicle is being used for commercial use then the driver will need a DCPC.
I think they’ll be a few court cases when this comes in to clarify the situation.
fitters dont use tachos either
They use a workshop digicard.
Conor. Tell me what a workshop card is.
Hang on, you think the mechanic needs one for a road test don’t you?
Funnily enough, it was the same dreaded silence at the end, much like many of those posts.
One thing struck me on the other post, about the question whether a driver without an LGV licence could get a Digital card. Anyone who drives a medium sized panel van with a trailer will need a tachograph. Analogues are due to become obsolete so a digital drivers card will be needed for those too.
states “The tachograph workshop card can, and should, be used as a driver card during any road tests related to tachograph work.”
Seems apols are due from me, but the workshop card must only be used if any such driving is related to tachograph work, not all the other things a fitter might do.
The workshop card does have a small memory but it is wiped clean after 88 operations so would not do as a true record for 12 months
The Workshop Card is a personalised smart card which is issued to approved technicians at VOSA approved Digital Tachograph Centres, so that the centres can calibrate and download data from digital tachographs. The Workshop Card is valid for 1 year and allows for the testing and programming of digital tachographs, and can be used to store calibration data.
What happens when my workshop card is full?
The workshop card’s data memory is operated on a rolling road basis in which the latest data automatically overwrites the oldest stored data. Therefore the workshop card stores the key data from the last 88 checks.
What data is stored on the workshop card?
Identifying data (information about the calibration centre, card number, issuing authority, validity)
Test drive data (vehicles used, driver activities, events, faults)
Calibration data from up to 88 tachograph checks (when calibration took place, vehicle data, DTCO identification, adjustment factors)
Who gets a workshop card?
Only trained technicians at calibration centres, which are authorised by VOSA, to check digital tachographs will get Workshop Cards.
The last quote rules out the trailer fitter, the wash bay attendant and the parts manager.
Wheel Nut:
One thing struck me on the other post, about the question whether a driver without an LGV licence could get a Digital card.
I would have thought no.
Wheel Nut:
Anyone who drives a medium sized panel van with a trailer will need a tachograph. Analogues are due to become obsolete so a digital drivers card will be needed for those too.
Obviously the answer really is yes; generally anything between 3.5t and 7.5 t will need a card some time, but you can drive them without an LGV licence.
Generally anything over 3.5 tonnes GVW with 9 total seats or less is a LGV = Large Goods Vehicle
Vans of 3.5 tonnes and under can be LGVs = Light Goods Vehicles
A digicard is often needed by those towing commercially with a B+E licence so having a LGV or PCV is not required before being able to obtain a digicard
Snudger:
generally anything between 3.5t and 7.5 t will need a card some time, but you can drive them without an LGV licence.
Are you sure? A vehicle over 3.5t to 7.5t is cat C1 - which is a light goods vehicle (LGV) is it not? Can’t drive a 4t van on a B licence
No. I’m rarely sure. Ah! I see what you mean. I meant LGV (as in large GV) to mean HGV. It can’t mean both light AND large though - too confusing! What I was getting at is that under certain scenarios (e.g. carrying goods for reward in a modern 6.5 tonner) a digicard will be required but not a Class 2 (old HGV) licence (or now cat C). I must admit I can’t recall with driving a 4 tonner so assume (dangerously) the usual rules apply. As ROG states though, LGV = > 3.5t:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_goods_vehicle.
Snudger:
generally anything between 3.5t and 7.5 t will need a card some time, but you can drive them without an LGV licence.
Are you sure? A vehicle over 3.5t to 7.5t is cat C1 - which is a light goods vehicle (LGV) is it not? Can’t drive a 4t van on a B licence
No. I’m rarely sure. Ah! I see what you mean. I meant LGV (as in large GV) to mean HGV. It can’t mean both light AND large though - too confusing! What I was getting at is that under certain scenarios (e.g. carrying goods for reward in a modern 6.5 tonner) a digicard will be required but not a Class 2 (old HGV) licence (or now cat C). I must admit I can’t recall with driving a 4 tonner so assume (dangerously) the usual rules apply. As ROG states though, LGV = > 3.5t:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_goods_vehicle.
I have plenty of publications and documents refering to 7.5t vehicles as light goods vehicles. I see from the link you provided they reckon the UK Government call them Medium Goods Vehicles. News to me
Either way a vehicle over 3.5t needs a ‘C1’ which is a sub category of ‘C’ and therefore to me and LGV licence. I would class a C1 licence as an HGV licence - it needs a DCPC to drive for a living Certainly now it doesn’t come free with a car licence.
