For those who disbelive about the use of gas
then please try asking the police in France
Belgian Germany,Austria to name just a
FEW countrys, Truth is stranger than fiction
The Anti-Gas repelant is next to the anti-shark repelant on the utility belt,
If there’s no such thing as knockout gas, how did Number 6 get to that funny village in Wales?
dieseldog6:
If there’s no such thing as knockout gas, how did Number 6 get to that funny village in Wales?
bit of a theme developing; the prisoner, the avengers, batman - all fiction 
jj72:
dieseldog6:
If there’s no such thing as knockout gas, how did Number 6 get to that funny village in Wales?bit of a theme developing; the prisoner, the avengers, batman - all fiction
you mean emma peel wasn’t real 
get away with you, you’ll be telling me father christmas doesn’t exist next 
biggusdickusgb:
you mean emma peel wasn’t real
get away with you
oh she was real enough to me steve - she helped me through those difficult teenage years 
bit of a theme developing; the prisoner, the avengers, batman - all fiction
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Drat and Double Drat, to the Batcave Robin, we’re been sussed.
During the night of 4th December, it is reported that an unidentified gas was introduced into the cab of a UK driver parked at overnight stop near Nimes, France, rendering the driver unconscious. When he awoke in the morning, he discovered that his personal effects (including wallet, money, credit card etc) had been stolen. The load (tobacco) however, was not touched.
Comment: This is the latest in a string of reporting where drivers reported gas being used on them whilst they slept. The use of gas cannot be confirmed but it seems unlikely that someone would be able to enter the vehicle cab without waking the driver unless some agent was used to incapacitate him.
During night of 15th/16th December, a vehicle containing mobile telephones and camera headsets was broken into near a fuel station on the A14 highway, close to Mosciano Sant’Angelo. It is reported that whilst the driver slept, person or persons unknown pumped some form of sleeping gas into the cab. The criminals then proceeded to break into the trailer and removed 6455 camera headsets but left all the mobile phones behind.
Comment: Another reported use of gas. EUROWATCH is aware of equipment on the market that is capable of detecting gas agents if introduced to the atmosphere inside a cab. Contact sm@eurowatchcentral.com for further details.
Taken from This web site
If there is no such thing as gassing what gas agents are these detectors trying to detect?
I had to lend some clothes and money to two of our guys who were in the same truck that got robbed overnight in Castets, I don’t think they cleared the cab themselves just keeping their bedding and underware (that was all that was left)although they may have had a bit to drink before going to bed, both had bad throats and headaches and said they didn’t feel like what they were suffering was a hangover.
So there are 2 websites with 2 opposing views, one is a part time police department who have landed a cushy number by attending truck crimescenes three weeks after it occurs, against a well funded & respected medical college.
The Royal College of Anaesthetists have been working for years trying to improve the anasthesia used during patients operations. They have been working on something that will render the patient unconcious, lasts for a short term and has no lasting side effects. The nearest thing they have got is the modern injected medicines they use in the hospitals. However these are not very good because it needs a highly paid anaesthetist and a technician to constantly monitor the patient during treatment.
Meanwhile in Euroland there are marauding gangs plying their trade on truck parks and laybys with a spray bottle obtained from the Pound Shop which they use some magic liquid to render a driver useless for 11 hours, take his wallet and loose change while leaving his cargo of tobacco untouched.
In another area a gang managed to render a driver unconcious, while he was parked near a fuel station, tranship 6455 items from his load and leave the mobile phones behind,
JMTI asked
If there is no such thing as gassing what gas agents are these detectors trying to detect?
Laughing Gas? 
It was a lot better when the Mafia stole trucks, they would bring the unit and trailer back empty, washed, valeted and full of fuel, with enough money for the driver in the ashtray for his trip home 
Wheel Nut:
Meanwhile in Euroland there are marauding gangs plying their trade on truck parks and laybys with a spray bottle obtained from the Pound Shop which they use some magic liquid to render a driver useless for 11 hours, take his wallet and loose change while leaving his cargo of tobacco untouched.
They flee their war-torn homelands with nothing other than the clothes they stand up in.
Oh, and a can of Easy-Start of course!
jimti:
If there is no such thing as gassing what gas agents are these detectors trying to detect?
Drivers’ gas?
Quite simply Jimti, there is no such thing as “knockout gas”.
In the Moscow theatre siege, the Russians used Fentanyl, a complicated opiate, and this killed over a third of the people exposed to it. There is no such thing as a gas which can incapacate truck drivers time after time without any reported fatality ever.
It’s all a crock of crap.
after looking at the facts, its clear that their are a couple of different opinions.
don’t get me wrong, i’m sure that over the years, there have been more than 1 or 2 drivers that have concocted some ■■■■ and bull story, too cover there own sorry arse.
looking at the evidence, some people appear too be far more plausible than others, in claiming this type of “incident” has happened too them.
i honestly don’t know what happened that night, other than, the guy in question, isn’t 1 of your idiot ■■■■■■■■ story telling muppets.
some of you need too take your head out of your arse, just because it hasn’t happened too you, doesn’t mean, that it doesn’t happen, in some form or another, wether in gas form, (seems unlikely) or some other way.
i too read the medical reports.
i also once read a report, from top level security, at the us goverment, apparently, they claimed, the iraqis had weapons of mass destruction.
Harry Monk:
jimti:
If there is no such thing as gassing what gas agents are these detectors trying to detect?Drivers’ gas?
Quite simply Jimti, there is no such thing as “knockout gas”.
In the Moscow theatre siege, the Russians used Fentanyl, a complicated opiate, and this killed over a third of the people exposed to it. There is no such thing as a gas which can incapacate truck drivers time after time without any reported fatality ever.
It’s all a crock of crap.
maybe because, those in charge at russian special forces, didn’t really give a toss about those innocents inside.
think they may have gone overboard with the amount of fentanyl pumped in, i mean, the guys that stormed the building, had the benefit of gas masks, and the authorities just wanted an end too the siege.
fentanyl, is a controllable drug, its used in the treatment of cancer patients, in the more advanced stages of the disease, i believe.
i think its what my mum was on in her last days. think its similar too morphine, in terms of pain relief
chilistrucker:
after looking at the facts, its clear that their are a couple of different opinions.
Yes, “Chemistry” and “TruckDriverOlogy”
There is no such thing as “knockout gas”. Never has been, never will be.
Not possible, according to The Laws of Chemistry,
But who are Chemists to argue with truck drivers about Chemistry?
what about carbon monoxide? that will make you sleep and you can’t smell it taste it or see it
FFS, here is what the Royal College of Anaesthesists think about “knockout gas”
Thank you for your enquiry. I would like to inform you that you are not the first enquirer with this question. Professor Hatch, our Clinical Advisor, has given the following previous comments:
"I can give you a categorical assurance that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious with ether without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time. Ether is an extremely pungent agent and a relatively weak anaesthetic by modern standards and has a very irritant affect of the air passages, causing coughing and sometimes vomiting. It takes some time to reach unconsciousness, even if given by direct application to the face on a rag, and the concentration needed by some sort of spray into a room would be enormous. The smell hangs around for days and would be obvious to anyone the next day.
There are much more powerful agents around now, some of which are almost odourless. However, these would be unlikely to be able to achieve the effect you describe, and the cost would be huge enough to deter any thief unless he was after the crown jewels. The only practicable agent is probably the one used by the Russians in the Moscow siege - I advised the BBC on their programme about this. The general feeling is that they used an agent which is not available outside the KGB!
Finally, unsupervised anaesthesia, which is what we are really talking about is very dangerous. In the Moscow siege about 20% of victims died from asphyxia, because their airways were unprotected. If the reports you talk about are true I would have expected a significant number of deaths or cases of serious brain damage to have been reported."
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Can we please, please, PLEASE put this “truck driver crap” out of its misery for once and for all, so that we can escape this public preconception that we are all brainless morons?
Rant over.
Harry Monk:
FFS, here is what the Royal College of Anaesthesists think about “knockout gas”Thank you for your enquiry. I would like to inform you that you are not the first enquirer with this question. Professor Hatch, our Clinical Advisor, has given the following previous comments:
"I can give you a categorical assurance that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious with ether without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time. Ether is an extremely pungent agent and a relatively weak anaesthetic by modern standards and has a very irritant affect of the air passages, causing coughing and sometimes vomiting. It takes some time to reach unconsciousness, even if given by direct application to the face on a rag, and the concentration needed by some sort of spray into a room would be enormous. The smell hangs around for days and would be obvious to anyone the next day.
There are much more powerful agents around now, some of which are almost odourless. However, these would be unlikely to be able to achieve the effect you describe, and the cost would be huge enough to deter any thief unless he was after the crown jewels. The only practicable agent is probably the one used by the Russians in the Moscow siege - I advised the BBC on their programme about this. The general feeling is that they used an agent which is not available outside the KGB!
Finally, unsupervised anaesthesia, which is what we are really talking about is very dangerous. In the Moscow siege about 20% of victims died from asphyxia, because their airways were unprotected. If the reports you talk about are true I would have expected a significant number of deaths or cases of serious brain damage to have been reported."
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Can we please, please, PLEASE put this “truck driver crap” out of its misery for once and for all, so that we can escape this public preconception that we are all brainless morons?
Rant over.
yes,yes,yes, i’ve read it, 3 times now.
but your missing my point.
i’ve clearly stated, from the 1st post, that i was “assuming” he may have been gassed, on reading the facts, it seems highly unlikely.
i don’t suppose for 1 minute, that on the night he was robbed, there were a couple of “baddies in black and white stripey jumpers, carrying a bag marked swag, and a big can of industrial sized knockout gas.”
he was robbed, why he didn’t wake up i don’t know, it certainly wasn’t drink, he’d have had 1 maybe 2 with his dinner.
as stated, it certainly wasn’t too rob the gaffers running money, as we don’t have any, we are on company credit cards.
i like you, detest the “morons” who give the industry, and every decent, honest hard working truck driver a bad name. unfortunately, mud sticks, and i’ll defend what we as drivers do, too the bitter end, but a small minority, spoil it for the majority.
its often this small “moron” mentality, that can’t look no further than the end of their nose, and try the running with the pack mentality, with the odd, half arsed attempt at humour thrown in for good measure.
they are the same “moron” that also have 1 point of view on everthing, and won’t be told, or convinced, even with evidence, that they could ever possibly be in the wrong.
hopefully 1 day that will change, but i doubt it. its a shame, as maybe they’d progress too such things as joined up writing, and coloring between the lines.
tell you what chaps - how about this thread is unofficially locked until someone comes up with an official police report for an actual incident, stating exactly WHAT was used and it’s full medical details, this must be the next post - agreed?
The last relevant information I came across was from the British Medical
Association:
"Drugs can never be used safely as weapons, says BMA report.
Drugs could never be used as weapons or for law-enforcement without
significant mortality among the target population, according to a new
report by the British Medical Association, which considers the
implications of the Moscow theatre siege in 2002.
The agent whereby people could be incapacitated without risk of death
in a tactical situation does not exist and is unlikely to in the
foreseeable future. In such a situation, it is and will continue to be
almost impossible to deliver the right agent to the right people in the
right dose without exposing the wrong people, or delivering the wrong
dose,the report concludes.
Vivienne Nathanson, BMA head of science and ethics, said:
It is important to remember that target groups are likely to comprise people
of varying weights, sizes and ages; some may be pregnant or have
pre-existing medical conditions. It is virtually impossible to control
the amount of a drug delivered or to ensure it acts without producing
toxic effects or causing death.
So that seems fairly conclusive that the drivers who are supposedely talking out of their arse and agreeing with the British Medical Association and the Royal College of Anaesthetists, but apart from that, what protection are these super intelligent marauding gangs using while they break into a gas filled cab and rifle through your belongings? Whatever they are using it must give them complete protection otherwise the driver could wake up cuddling a couple of burglars.
Another thought I had was that why these claims were probably made in the first place. I can imagine the call to the insurance company, it would be more like a Bob Newhart sketch.
"You did what? You parked in a layby? While loaded with cigarettes? You were robbed? Hey Walt, pick up the other phone!
Truckpol.
29 April 2008
Reports by drivers that they have been gassed while sleeping in their cabs, allowing criminal gangs to steal their loads have become more common in the past year, reveals TruckPol.
But the specialist road freight crime unit says that so little research has been done into the subject that it is unclear what gas is being used.
The most popular candidate for the gas used is diethyl ether, the chemical used in products for the easier starting of cold diesel engines. The problem, says Detective Constable Andy Round, of TruckPol, is that the dose would have to be just right - too little and it would not work, too much and it could kill a driver.
“We are just not convinced that criminals would have the expertise to use the right amount,” he says.
One of the difficulties for the police is in establishing if drivers sometimes invent the gassing stories in order to conceal the fact that they slept through a theft, heard it but decided not to get out and confront the thieves, or had even been involved themselves in some way. DC Round says: “I’m not saying that gassings never happen, but we haven’t really got any hard evidence that they have and until we do we have to consider all possibilities.”
In reply to what gas are the alarms testing for, the common alarms that are being sold for £165 are these. They test for Ether, even after the RCA have said that Ether would not work.
nereusalarms.co.uk/EtherAler … _09_05.pdf
Rather than waste 165 quid on a gas alarm. I would be tempted to read this book all about the mad gasser of Mattoon But the most frightening thing is that this bloke had a Skeleton Key to get into peoples homes.
It seems more common than at first thought 
weird-encyclopedia.com/mad-gassers.php
jj72:
tell you what chaps - how about this thread is unofficially locked until someone comes up with an official police report for an actual incident, stating exactly WHAT was used and it’s full medical details, this must be the next post - agreed?
well, i’ve never disagreed with the medical reports posted during this topic.
although, as someone stated, i won’t disagree with the comments that some people have a knack of talking out of their arse.
so rather than the tennis continue, i’m with you jj72.
Yes lock it JJ.
My flippant comments are in blue, the rest of it is taken from various sites on the web. I used an equal bias, so reasonably intelligent people can make there own minds up. 