My company operate doubles on the NY thruway and Mass Turnpike, there are large drop areas at most exits so they can be broken up and re-connected again. Each set on doubles consists of a tractor and two 48 ft trailers, I am licenced to drive one but refuse to because the second trailers are only paying 20 cents per mile when the lead trailer pays 49 cents per mile, I am on a guarantee and so it doesn’t really effect me but each driver takes both trailers to a compound near whatever city the trailers are for, breaks them up, delivers the first load and then comes back for the second load for which as I said is paid at a fraction compared to the first.
As I have pointed out many times pay over here is mostly by the mile, which I feel is a disgusting way to pay people, it encourages drivers to break the laws.
A fairly robust argument/discussion here on road train or for that matter axle weights here in Australia so perhaps a few figures will help to clarify things
Prime mover
Steer axle 6.5tonnes bogie drive and bogie axle dolly16.5 tonnes tri axle drive and dollies and trailers 20tonn unless hauling bulk export freight then the bridges are stronger as you get an increase of 2 tonnes on Bogie suspensions and 3 tonnes on triaxle,
The prime movers are plated to manufacturers specs and are rated to 90 tonnes in what ever tailer configuration that the loading gives you to a maximum of 90tonnes gross and as long as you don’t exceed your axle weights per group
Likewise with prime movers plated to 118 tonnes or as my last long distance unit a Mack Titan was rated to 140 tonnes which meant the same I could pull 3 trailers plus a half trailer which is fitted into the system as a b triple and as long as I didn’t exceed my axle weights and maximum length for road train operation 55metres and drove only on gazetted highways.
I have been retired now for a while and it is possible that these figures have changed but it should give you an idea as to why you get confused with 90tonnes or 118/140 etc,its what the manufacturers rate their product which determines its gross mass rating.The axle weights determine your maximum loads in whichever configuration you are operating.
Hope this helps a bit to clarify the confusion.
Cheers Dig
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
The funniest thing about Carryfast is is that he hasn’t driven a truck in 20 years
Let’s just say there’d probably be more chance of me getting/keeping a job there driving a road train than you if you think that you can load up a B double to 90 t gross.
If you can point out where I’ve said anything about weights during this debate I’d be most obliged. There would probably be more chance of me getting and keeping as job as I hold a licence and have been driving for a living for the past 20 years… 
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
The funniest thing about Carryfast is is that he hasn’t driven a truck in 20 yearsLet’s just say there’d probably be more chance of me getting/keeping a job there driving a road train than you if you think that you can load up a B double to 90 t gross.
If you can point out where I’ve said anything about weights during this debate I’d be most obliged. There would probably be more chance of me getting and keeping as job as I hold a licence and have been driving for a living for the past 20 years…
Get ready for 20+ pages now Luke!
DIG:
A fairly robust argument/discussion here on road train or for that matter axle weights here in Australia so perhaps a few figures will help to clarify thingsPrime mover
Steer axle 6.5tonnes bogie drive and bogie axle dolly16.5 tonnes tri axle drive and dollies and trailers 20tonn unless hauling bulk export freight then the bridges are stronger as you get an increase of 2 tonnes on Bogie suspensions and 3 tonnes on triaxle,The prime movers are plated to manufacturers specs and are rated to 90 tonnes in what ever tailer configuration that the loading gives you to a maximum of 90tonnes gross and as long as you don’t exceed your axle weights per group
Likewise with prime movers plated to 118 tonnes or as my last long distance unit a Mack Titan was rated to 140 tonnes which meant the same I could pull 3 trailers plus a half trailer which is fitted into the system as a b triple and as long as I didn’t exceed my axle weights and maximum length for road train operation 55metres and drove only on gazetted highways.
I have been retired now for a while and it is possible that these figures have changed but it should give you an idea as to why you get confused with 90tonnes or 118/140 etc,its what the manufacturers rate their product which determines its gross mass rating.The axle weights determine your maximum loads in whichever configuration you are operating.Hope this helps a bit to clarify the confusion.
Cheers Dig
You best hide, carryfast will be on your case now 
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
The funniest thing about Carryfast is is that he hasn’t driven a truck in 20 yearsLet’s just say there’d probably be more chance of me getting/keeping a job there driving a road train than you if you think that you can load up a B double to 90 t gross.
If you can point out where I’ve said anything about weights during this debate I’d be most obliged. There would probably be more chance of me getting and keeping as job as I hold a licence and have been driving for a living for the past 20 years…
I didn’t say you did.I said ‘if’ you think that you could load up a 9 axle B double to 90t GCW.It’s obvious that,like discoman and Peterm,you don’t have a bleedin clue in that regard but still didn’t let that stop you having a go at me who obviously did/does.Bearing in mind that soft poor road surfaces actually mean less ability to handle high axle weights than well surfaced Euro ones.With all your expertise I’m sure you know your Euro/UK axle weight limits. 
As for what I know.I’ve actually got relatives,unfortunately as it turned out not close enough 
,in Oz and,like Canada,did,unsuccessfully,try to get over there to work as a driver and being well aware as part of that of their regime being based,rightly,mostly on axle weights not bs overall length and gross weight limits like Euroland and UK.That was during the 1980’s.You can add to that a ‘bit’ of knowledge in that regard learn’t by being involved in actually making trucks before that.Remind us of what you were driving then.
discoman:
DIG:
Hope this helps a bit to clarify the confusion.Cheers Dig
You best hide, carryfast will be on your case now
Why when he’s actually just confirmed what I said.IE just because it’s a tractor unit plated for 90t gross that doesn’t mean when it’s pulling a 9 axle B double.As opposed to a 12 axle A double or B triple.Now awaits you with all your so called bs local knowledge to tell him he’s wrong because the 16.5 t gross allowed on a tandem axle,has now been doubled to 16.5t on each one let alone 16.5t allowed on each of a tri axle set.
Or was it that you and Peterm were just avin a larf and on a wind up which is the only thing that would explain such total bollox other than just being two bsers.In which case the larf is on switch not me. 
DIG:
A fairly robust argument/discussion here on road train or for that matter axle weights here in Australia so perhaps a few figures will help to clarify thingsPrime mover
Steer axle 6.5tonnes bogie drive and bogie axle dolly16.5 tonnes tri axle drive and dollies and trailers 20tonn unless hauling bulk export freight then the bridges are stronger as you get an increase of 2 tonnes on Bogie suspensions and 3 tonnes on triaxle,The prime movers are plated to manufacturers specs and are rated to 90 tonnes in what ever tailer configuration that the loading gives you to a maximum of 90tonnes gross and as long as you don’t exceed your axle weights per group
Likewise with prime movers plated to 118 tonnes or as my last long distance unit a Mack Titan was rated to 140 tonnes which meant the same I could pull 3 trailers plus a half trailer which is fitted into the system as a b triple and as long as I didn’t exceed my axle weights and maximum length for road train operation 55metres and drove only on gazetted highways.
I have been retired now for a while and it is possible that these figures have changed but it should give you an idea as to why you get confused with 90tonnes or 118/140 etc,its what the manufacturers rate their product which determines its gross mass rating.The axle weights determine your maximum loads in whichever configuration you are operating.Hope this helps a bit to clarify the confusion.
Cheers Dig
Well done Dig.
But since you’ve been on here for a few years how could you make such a beginner’s error?
How could providing a few facts possibly clarify a thread like this one?
Nice try mate.
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Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
The funniest thing about Carryfast is is that he hasn’t driven a truck in 20 yearsLet’s just say there’d probably be more chance of me getting/keeping a job there driving a road train than you if you think that you can load up a B double to 90 t gross.
If you can point out where I’ve said anything about weights during this debate I’d be most obliged. There would probably be more chance of me getting and keeping as job as I hold a licence and have been driving for a living for the past 20 years…
I didn’t say you did.I said ‘if’ you think that you could load up a 9 axle B double to 90t GCW.It’s obvious that,like discoman and Peterm,you don’t have a bleedin clue in that regard but still didn’t let that stop you having a go at me who obviously did/does…
I like having a go at you because you’re a know all moron who actually doesn’t know much but thinks he knows it all. I made no comment about road trains as its a subject Im not interested in and Australia is a place I have little real world transport knowledge about, just like you. God bless
Carryfast:
As for what I know.I’ve actually got relatives,unfortunately as it turned out not close enough
You had a rather disappointing career then it seems. I can see why you’re bitter. Tried to get on European work when UK companies heading abroad were at their height- failed to manage it. Tried to get to work in Australia, a country that’s fairly easy for a Brit to emigrate to- failed that too. Canada, Ditto- failed. How hard did you try exactly?
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
If you can point out where I’ve said anything about weights during this debate I’d be most obliged. There would probably be more chance of me getting and keeping as job as I hold a licence and have been driving for a living for the past 20 years…I didn’t say you did.I said ‘if’ you think that you could load up a 9 axle B double to 90t GCW.It’s obvious that,like discoman and Peterm,you don’t have a bleedin clue in that regard but still didn’t let that stop you having a go at me who obviously did/does…
I like having a go at you because you’re a know all moron who actually doesn’t know much but thinks he knows it all. I made no comment about road trains as its a subject Im not interested in and Australia is a place I have little real world transport knowledge about, just like you. God bless
Let’s get this right you had nothing constructive to add to the topic except make personal attacks against a poster who is interested in the topic,but which you have no interest in.All because you’re not bright enough to understand the difference in a vehicle design based on the advantages of GTW v GCW.Which was the point of the comparison between the Stan Robinson A train or for that matter a decent draw bar outfit v Denby B train.IE absolutely nothing to do with Australia until discoman and Peterm decided to prove that being there is no substitute for knowing what they are talking about.While your motives seem clear enough.In which case if I was a whingeing zb like some I’d have gone moaning to the mods to put you on pre mod for trolling.
Mission accomplished
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
If you can point out where I’ve said anything about weights during this debate I’d be most obliged. There would probably be more chance of me getting and keeping as job as I hold a licence and have been driving for a living for the past 20 years…I didn’t say you did.I said ‘if’ you think that you could load up a 9 axle B double to 90t GCW.It’s obvious that,like discoman and Peterm,you don’t have a bleedin clue in that regard but still didn’t let that stop you having a go at me who obviously did/does…
I like having a go at you because you’re a know all moron who actually doesn’t know much but thinks he knows it all. I made no comment about road trains as its a subject Im not interested in and Australia is a place I have little real world transport knowledge about, just like you. God bless
Let’s get this right you had nothing constructive to add to the topic except make personal attacks against a poster who is interested in the topic,but which you have no interest in.All because you’re not bright enough to understand the difference in a vehicle design based on the advantages of GTW v GCW.Which was the point of the comparison between the Stan Robinson A train or for that matter a decent draw bar outfit v Denby B train.IE absolutely nothing to do with Australia until discoman and Peterm decided to prove that being there is no substitute for knowing what they are talking about.While your motives seem clear enough.In which case if I was a whingeing zb like some I’d have gone moaning to the mods to put you on pre mod for trolling.
Well, I managed to migrate to Australia , you never. Seems you know nothing … end of the day come to Australia and you will see… I have to agree you come across as a moron, no doubt you would prob tell me how to arrest you …
discoman:
Well, I managed to migrate to Australia , you never. Seems you know nothing … end of the day come to Australia and you will see… I have to agree you come across as a moron, no doubt you would prob tell me how to arrest you …
You’re the one who thinks that they allow 16.5t per axle and you’ve got the nerve to call me a moron.
You managed to migrate to Australia and knowing the conditions imposed on immigrant workers you never went there to drive a truck because it’s not on the list of approved occupations and hasn’t been for decades.While even if by some miracle you were an exception to that rule,( close relatives with existing PR/Citizenship for example ),it wouldn’t have made any difference in your case because you obviously know the square root of zb all about driving trucks and especially Australian trucks.IE small details like knowing that you can’t load the thing to 16.5t gross per axle at which point that would be your road train driving career over before it had begun.Remind us of exactly what type of trucks that you actually drive or have ever driven there.Although I wouldn’t believe you anyway.
Carryfast:
discoman:
Well, I managed to migrate to Australia , you never. Seems you know nothing … end of the day come to Australia and you will see… I have to agree you come across as a moron, no doubt you would prob tell me how to arrest you …You’re the one who thinks that they allow 16.5t per axle and you’ve got the nerve to call me a moron.
You managed to migrate to Australia and knowing the conditions imposed on immigrant workers you never went there to drive a truck because it’s not on the list of approved occupations and hasn’t been for decades.While even if by some miracle you were an exception to that rule,( close relatives with existing PR/Citizenship for example ),it wouldn’t have made any difference in your case because you obviously know the square root of zb all about driving trucks and especially Australian trucks.IE small details like knowing that you can’t load the thing to 16.5t gross per axle at which point that would be your road train driving career over before it had begun.Remind us of exactly what type of trucks that you actually drive or have ever driven there.Although I wouldn’t believe you anyway.
Well, actually I don’t require any qualifications at all to come to Australia, I have full rights here, to live work etc … and I am now a dual national …
Well, I have it on good authority that you indeed have not driven a truck in 20odd years, as for what I Have driven , well. When. I did my training paid for by my company … I drove a DAF CF for training … then I drove a MAN, oh on my days off, I used to do some work for Marks & Spencer at Enfield … Auto DAF CF, all via agency … I have driven a Scania 380, Volvo’s DAF XF even did a few shifts in a ERF. … I even tried tramping in the UK didn’t like it … I was on 4 weeks leave when I did it.
You are right I have not driven commercially here in Australia … why would I , I do 2 on 2 off now love my current role … but Australian trucks let’s see majority of them on the road are Volvo,Scania, DAF, Hino Isuzu, Kenworth , Frieghtliner, Western Star … Merc etc … yup European trucks specs to Aussie climate … but you would know that wouldn’t you. … now the majority of the non Euro Trucks here are non Euro spec engined vehicles … loads are road ranger Eaton boxes … loads of nose cabs … but, I can’t believe any cwpmyou spout because you have never been here, now Peter I do believe and trust because he has driven here.
Now, I could pretend I drive around surrey in my Chelsea tractor pretending to know it all about trucks but I don’t … I am and will advise you that the trucks are spec to pull 90t GVM for two trailers. Simples move on or cry over brexit or go help UK fix a fridge he can lend you a gps to his location.
When I moved to Australia I could of been coming here to drive a truck if I wanted too … now you are going to spout crap about Australian immigration right … best know what you are talking about if you do … oh and I said it was correct you do come across as a moron I didn’t actually call you a moron. Read it correctly.
This is entertaining, love the playgroundness. Takes me right back. Can I join in the debate?
discoman:
Now, I could pretend I drive around surrey in my Chelsea tractor pretending to know it all about trucks but I don’t … I am and will advise you that the trucks are spec to pull 90t GVM for two trailers.
Yes as I said a 12 axle 90t GTW A double.Which was the point that in your extremely limited knowledge of doing uk supermarket work you missed.
Seems to me that my experience of driving trucks is a lot more than yours.Including around 38t on 3 axles and 6 single wheels all legal and without needing to go any further than Middx and Surrey to do it. 
discoman:
When I moved to Australia I could of been coming here to drive a truck if I wanted too … now you are going to spout crap about Australian immigration right … best know what you are talking about if you do
Let’s hope that your knowledge of Australian immigration law is better than your knowledge of Australian axle weight limits. So tell us exactly what are these supposed free movement rules which would allow a Brit immigrant,with no applicable family connections,to work there driving trucks on arrival and before being granted citizenship rights,which I don’t know about ?.Then again maybe don’t bother because they’ll be no more believable than all the other bs.
Carryfast:
discoman:
When I moved to Australia I could of been coming here to drive a truck if I wanted too … now you are going to spout crap about Australian immigration right … best know what you are talking about if you doLet’s hope that your knowledge of Australian immigration law is better than your knowledge of Australian axle weight limits.
Why would I need knowledge of Australian immigration law?? That’s what an agent is paid too do … you should know that… if you are referring to me as a police officer, well forget it because that’s not state that federal … you have them over to immigration nothing to do with the police, same as the UK… well, you maybe should look up on the immi.gov.aul website for how to enter Australia… and yes, if I wanted to I could of took a truck test and drove a truck after a few days of arriving. Now you should also be aware when moving to Australia they’re are many many visas a person can get… like we got a 175… which enabled me to walk in and do as I pleased. … why work that out…
You don’t need citizenship to drive a truck here, as long as you are a PR your fine … you really don’t have a clue what you are talking about
My wife is a hairdresser, and it was on the SSL for Australia… hence we got residency and yes that entitled me to walk straight into Australia and drive a truck or do any state job I desired … only federal jobs require citizenship … look at a few website such as the immigration career and you will see. … I am sure you will call it BS… but your wrong will you fess up and say I was wrong