robinswh:
0I ve driven super b fuel tankers here in alberta and turnpike extended length units (2 53 foot trailers connected by a one or two axle converter) .A super B might be ok in the UK on certain routes but roundabouts would be the problem…theres always the problem of unexpected detours . Turnpikes forget that no chance of one of those navigating normal british roads .
These ■■■■■■■ things are a complete pain in the backside , mobile roadblocks , blocking fuel islands and truckstops , then there’s the "drivers"doing tire checks and blocking on ramps etc etc . Bison =
Carryfast:
as I said there’s no way that the 90t rating means just two tri axle trailers running as a B train.IE the gross train weight of an A double isn’t the same thing as the gross combination weight of a B double.Because the B train loses the axles and resulting weight capacity of the dolly coupling the trailers and the 90t obviously means max gross train weight pulling an A double therefore by definition more than 9 axles.Not the gross combination weight of a B double therefore by definition 9 axles.Unless I’ve missed something in which case as I said show all the respective axle weights for 90t on 9 axles and where that’s legal even under any Oz law.Doubtful.
I don’t normally argue with idiots because they drag you down to their level and then you surrender, but here goes. My (being the bosses) old Merc had one steer and a bogie drive = 3 (three) axles, two of which had differentials and dual wheels. This prime mover was plated/registered to pull 90 ton as a B double where the A (or front trailer) was a tri axle with a turn table over the tri axles, NOT a dolly. The B (or second trailer) hooked up to the A (first trailer) by means of the pin in to the turntable. This trailer (the B trailer) was a tri axle. Once again if you count what I’ve just written there are 9, that’s NINE bloody axles. This may or may not be simple enough for carryfast to understand, but I do think that it negates any need for further explanation because if he doesn’t get this then he’s either nothing but a troll or shouldn’t be allowed out on his own.
No the tractor unit was plated to ‘pull’ a 12 axle 90t A double and possibly B triple.For the umpteenth time there’s no way that a 9 axle B double can handle 90t gross.
I think you need to retake whatever their version of the DCPC is and sort out the actual meaning of A and B.Here’s a clue it’s got absolutely zb all to do with identifying the lead or the second etc trailer/s.It actually denotes the difference between the type of contraption ( B ) which you’ve described v a proper ( A ) road train coupled with a dolly/ies.Meanwhile if you really think that you can put 90t gross on 9 bleedin axles then I suggest you dig out the relevant figures there to prove it.
Bearing in mind that’s exactly what I’ve done twice,confirming the max of 68t GCW of a ‘B’ double.As opposed to the 90t GTW of a 12 axle ‘A’ double and the GCW of a 12 axle ‘B’ triple.While maybe you can also explain why it is that even a 9 axle ‘A’ double,let alone 11 axle,also has a higher permitted gross than a 9 axle ‘B’ double.Oh wait you can’t obviously not knowing the difference between an A v a B train and therefore the finer points of the advantage of the former’s GTW over the latter’s GCW.On that note if there is any idiot here it isn’t me.
It must be so hard trying to be right all the time, the guy drove the trucks … you have never been to Australia. You have never driven in Australia … for reference there is no DCPC, you don’t even need a medical to drive a HC over here … you don’t even require a digi card … oh, and if you are within 100km of a base you don’t even need to fill in a log book … whilst in training, I see the RMS pull a vehicle … the main axle was 15t weight I was so sure it was over the limits …l I was advised nope, maximum was 16.5t … per axle … I didn’t believe it so I asked the traffic dept where I work here in NSW they confirmed it … even the RMS inspectors also confirmed it … all axles have 4 Tyres on … take a uk unit has 8 wheels here they have 10
lol generally on a triple axle they have 12 tyres not 6 as per UK …l trailers are long and carry more … last I will comment on the crap you spill this time you do not know and peter does.
Carryfast:
as I said there’s no way that the 90t rating means just two tri axle trailers running as a B train.IE the gross train weight of an A double isn’t the same thing as the gross combination weight of a B double.Because the B train loses the axles and resulting weight capacity of the dolly coupling the trailers and the 90t obviously means max gross train weight pulling an A double therefore by definition more than 9 axles.Not the gross combination weight of a B double therefore by definition 9 axles.Unless I’ve missed something in which case as I said show all the respective axle weights for 90t on 9 axles and where that’s legal even under any Oz law.Doubtful.
I don’t normally argue with idiots because they drag you down to their level and then you surrender, but here goes. My (being the bosses) old Merc had one steer and a bogie drive = 3 (three) axles, two of which had differentials and dual wheels. This prime mover was plated/registered to pull 90 ton as a B double where the A (or front trailer) was a tri axle with a turn table over the tri axles, NOT a dolly. The B (or second trailer) hooked up to the A (first trailer) by means of the pin in to the turntable. This trailer (the B trailer) was a tri axle. Once again if you count what I’ve just written there are 9, that’s NINE bloody axles. This may or may not be simple enough for carryfast to understand, but I do think that it negates any need for further explanation because if he doesn’t get this then he’s either nothing but a troll or shouldn’t be allowed out on his own.
No the tractor unit was plated to ‘pull’ a 12 axle 90t A double and possibly B triple.For the umpteenth time there’s no way that a 9 axle B double can handle 90t gross.
I think you need to retake whatever their version of the DCPC is and sort out the actual meaning of A and B.Here’s a clue it’s got absolutely zb all to do with identifying the lead or the second etc trailer/s.It actually denotes the difference between the type of contraption ( B ) which you’ve described v a proper ( A ) road train coupled with a dolly/ies.Meanwhile if you really think that you can put 90t gross on 9 bleedin axles then I suggest you dig out the relevant figures there to prove it.
Bearing in mind that’s exactly what I’ve done twice,confirming the max of 68t GCW of a ‘B’ double.As opposed to the 90t GTW of a 12 axle ‘A’ double and the GCW of a 12 axle ‘B’ triple.While maybe you can also explain why it is that even a 9 axle ‘A’ double,let alone 11 axle,also has a higher permitted gross than a 9 axle ‘B’ double.Oh wait you can’t obviously not knowing the difference between an A v a B train and therefore the finer points of the advantage of the former’s GTW over the latter’s GCW.On that note if there is any idiot here it isn’t me.
It must be so hard trying to be right all the time, the guy drove the trucks … you have never been to Australia. You have never driven in Australia … for reference there is no DCPC, you don’t even need a medical to drive a HC over here … you don’t even require a digi card … oh, and if you are within 100km of a base you don’t even need to fill in a log book … whilst in training, I see the RMS pull a vehicle … the main axle was 15t weight I was so sure it was over the limits …l I was advised nope, maximum was 16.5t … per axle … I didn’t believe it so I asked the traffic dept where I work here in NSW they confirmed it … even the RMS inspectors also confirmed it … all axles have 4 Tyres on … take a uk unit has 8 wheels here they have 10
lol generally on a triple axle they have 12 tyres not 6 as per UK …l trailers are long and carry more … last I will comment on the crap you spill this time you do not know and peter does.
Banging our heads against the wall. I’m now going back to my opening statement about not arguing with idiots or trolls. Thanks for the back up.
Christ almighty the blood runs cold when I think of our lot with one of those, we had a load of 15.6 rear steers and the amount of damage was un real, cars lamp posts walls trees buildings even an automated truck wash went for an excursion down the yard the list goes on, one clown managed £30,000 grands worth with one without leaving the depot.
peterm:
Banging our heads against the wall. I’m now going back to my opening statement about not arguing with idiots or trolls. Thanks for the back up.
Can you actually read and did you look at the chart I provided which shows all of the relevant weights.
While you still think that you can put 90t gross on a 9 axle B,or even A,double and that it’s legal and you’ve got the zb nerve to call me an idiot.You’re avin a larf.
discoman:
It must be so hard trying to be right all the time, the guy drove the trucks … you have never been to Australia. You have never driven in Australia … for reference there is no DCPC, you don’t even need a medical to drive a HC over here … you don’t even require a digi card … oh, and if you are within 100km of a base you don’t even need to fill in a log book … whilst in training, I see the RMS pull a vehicle … the main axle was 15t weight I was so sure it was over the limits …l I was advised nope, maximum was 16.5t … per axle … I didn’t believe it so I asked the traffic dept where I work here in NSW they confirmed it … even the RMS inspectors also confirmed it … all axles have 4 Tyres on … take a uk unit has 8 wheels here they have 10
lol generally on a triple axle they have 12 tyres not 6 as per UK …l trailers are long and carry more … last I will comment on the crap you spill this time you do not know and peter does.
So all those weights shown in that chart must only mean for two wheeled axles not 4 wheeled twinned in which case those weights can be doubled.
As I read it he drove ‘trucks’ with a unit plated for 90t gross.Then,like you,he put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5 by thinking that means any type of double outfit including 9 axle B doubles.Hopefully he never actually got the chance to put that error into practice.
Meanwhile WTF is a ‘main axle’ and where do the regs there say that 16.5t on a single axle is normal road use legal ?.
While you do know the difference between super single tyres v twinned and that the former is designed to do the same job as the latter and that the un driven rear axle of a UK spec 6 x 2 unit isn’t designed to need twinned tyres because it isn’t an equal weight spread tandem like a 6 x 4.
discoman:
It must be so hard trying to be right all the time, the guy drove the trucks … you have never been to Australia. You have never driven in Australia … for reference there is no DCPC, you don’t even need a medical to drive a HC over here … you don’t even require a digi card … oh, and if you are within 100km of a base you don’t even need to fill in a log book … whilst in training, I see the RMS pull a vehicle … the main axle was 15t weight I was so sure it was over the limits …l I was advised nope, maximum was 16.5t … per axle … I didn’t believe it so I asked the traffic dept where I work here in NSW they confirmed it … even the RMS inspectors also confirmed it … all axles have 4 Tyres on … take a uk unit has 8 wheels here they have 10
lol generally on a triple axle they have 12 tyres not 6 as per UK …l trailers are long and carry more … last I will comment on the crap you spill this time you do not know and peter does.
So all those weights shown in that chart must only mean for two wheeled axles not 4 wheeled twinned in which case those weights can be doubled.
As I read it he drove ‘trucks’ with a unit plated for 90t gross.Then,like you,he put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5 by thinking that means any type of double outfit including 9 axle B doubles.Hopefully he never actually got the chance to put that error into practice.
Meanwhile WTF is a ‘main axle’ and where do the regs there say that 16.5t on a single axle is normal road use legal ?.
While you do know the difference between super single tyres v twinned and that the former is designed to do the same job as the latter and that the un driven rear axle of a UK spec 6 x 2 unit isn’t designed to need twinned tyres because it isn’t an equal weight spread tandem like a 6 x 4.
Sorry, like peter I can’t respond to a brick wall any more … you have never lived here and do not know the rules as the Aussies do …the weight specs are different to the UK, if they want a max limit of 16.5t per axle they can and do… like stobarts has the extra space on the new trial trailer … companies over here can and do pull 90t last I have to say on this subject to you …now go and help UK tramp fix a fridge
They have super singles here too, they are not spec’d trailers for 90t gvm … look unless you have been here or driven here you can only read about it … I have seen them on the roads and peter has driven them… What next you gonna go and protest the bible
discoman:
Sorry if they want a max limit of 16.5t per axle they can and do companies over here can and do pull 90t
They can and do pull 90 t and a lot more than that but they don’t do it on 9 axles using 16.5t axle weights.
Well, I don’t care what you say, ive seen it done . Over here in Australia … it happens so no matter what you claim you are wrong.
Have you actually thought about the question if they allow 16.5 t per axle what would be the bleedin point of using tri axle sets.IE you’d only need a 7 axle outfit made up of the steer and three tandems to cover the 90t gross.Let alone the fact how do you fit the payload to make that gross on the available load deck space of the typically compromised short lead and standard length load decks of a B double.Unless you’re saying that not only does it only need 7 axles to haul 90t gross,a B double also has the same available load deck space as an A double.
discoman:
Sorry if they want a max limit of 16.5t per axle they can and do companies over here can and do pull 90t
They can and do pull 90 t and a lot more than that but they don’t do it on 9 axles using 16.5t axle weights.
Well, I don’t care what you say, ive seen it done . Over here in Australia … it happens so no matter what you claim you are wrong.
Have you actually thought about the question if they allow 16.5 t per axle what would be the bleedin point of using tri axle sets.IE you’d only need a 7 axle outfit made up of the steer and three tandems to cover the 90t gross.Let alone the fact how do you fit the payload to make that gross on the available load deck space of the typically compromised short lead and standard length load decks of a B double.Unless you’re saying that not only does it only need 7 axles to haul 90t gross,a B double also has the same available load deck space as an A double.
Have you actually stopped and thought he doesn’t care, what you think because
1, he doesn’t drive them.
2, two have clearly has stated they do them in Australia.
3, these people are not in Australia you are not
What you need to do is print a picture off, tape it to the wall and prove your non existing points to it … you may get the answer you desire
Carryfast:
Have you actually thought about the question if they allow 16.5 t per axle what would be the bleedin point of using tri axle sets.IE you’d only need a 7 axle outfit made up of the steer and three tandems to cover the 90t gross.Let alone the fact how do you fit the payload to make that gross on the available load deck space of the typically compromised short lead and standard length load decks of a B double.Unless you’re saying that not only does it only need 7 axles to haul 90t gross,a B double also has the same available load deck space as an A double.
Have you actually stopped and thought he doesn’t care, what you think because
1, he doesn’t drive them.
2, two have clearly has stated they do them in Australia.
3, these people are not in Australia you are not
What you need to do is print a picture off, tape it to the wall and prove your non existing points to it … you may get the answer you desire
And on that noote imma ouuta
I’m not surprised you’re out if you think that post makes any sense and you really think that there are normal spec trucks running around with 16.5t axle weights or you can fit a 90t gross general load on the load deck space of a B double.You clearly know or even want to know the square root of zb all about trucks of any type let alone Australian ones.
Carryfast:
Have you actually thought about the question if they allow 16.5 t per axle what would be the bleedin point of using tri axle sets.IE you’d only need a 7 axle outfit made up of the steer and three tandems to cover the 90t gross.Let alone the fact how do you fit the payload to make that gross on the available load deck space of the typically compromised short lead and standard length load decks of a B double.Unless you’re saying that not only does it only need 7 axles to haul 90t gross,a B double also has the same available load deck space as an A double.
Have you actually stopped and thought he doesn’t care, what you think because
1, he doesn’t drive them.
2, two have clearly has stated they do them in Australia.
3, these people are not in Australia you are not
What you need to do is print a picture off, tape it to the wall and prove your non existing points to it … you may get the answer you desire
And on that noote imma ouuta
I’m not surprised you’re out if you think that post makes any sense and you really think that there are normal spec trucks running around with 16.5t axle weights or you can fit a 90t gross general load on the load deck space of a B double.You clearly know or even want to know the square root of zb all about trucks of any type let alone Australian ones.
Is it your point in life to battle every point … I bet you are a joy as an employee … are you trailer bloke or is that Bking… always get you two confused… look like it or lump it … Australia is not the uk … deal with it or go have a breakdown somewhere as only you are bothered. Facts are you are wrong… come over here to Australia you will see.
discoman:
Is it your point in life to battle every point … I bet you are a joy as an employee …
The funniest thing about Carryfast is is that he hasn’t driven a truck in 20 years This is nothing unusual to him. He’s often lectured me and other experienced euro drivers on European work despite never having done it himself. At. All.
discoman:
Australia is not the uk … deal with it or go have a breakdown somewhere as only you are bothered. Facts are you are wrong… come over here to Australia you will see.
As opposed to you posting the figures from any expected government source which show this mythical 16.5t axle weight let alone 90t gross being allowed on a B double even if there was enough room on its decks to fit the load.
switchlogic:
The funniest thing about Carryfast is is that he hasn’t driven a truck in 20 years This is nothing unusual to him. He’s often lectured me and other experienced euro drivers on European work despite never having done it himself. At. All.
Let’s just say there’d probably be more chance of me getting/keeping a job there driving a road train than you if you think that you can load up a B double to 90 t gross.
discoman:
Is it your point in life to battle every point … I bet you are a joy as an employee …
The funniest thing about Carryfast is is that he hasn’t driven a truck in 20 years This is nothing unusual to him. He’s often lectured me and other experienced euro drivers on European work despite never having done it himself. At. All.
Why, do I believe this lol … I bet he would swear blind night is day and day is night. Has not driven a truck in 20 years, so really he has no clue apart from reading on the net … I drove a truck in the UK in 2011. So I can say I actually know more than him lol.
and you’ve got the zb nerve to call me an idiot.You’re avin a larf. 
