Road Haulage CPC 2012 - Help

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Hi everyone. Just received my student notes from EOS for the new National & International CPC.

Quite a hefty document but it’s is now packed in my laptop bag and ready to join me on the road later today.

Just a quick glance already has me thinking I’m going to need a bit of advice on certain aspects of the modules.

I’m hoping to sit the exam in June is this too keen or would I be better waiting until September?

Anyway I hope there are a few good body’s out there who can answer any questions I may have and help me nip this course in the bud.

Cheers in advance :slight_smile:

If you can help please will you subscribe to this thread as I’ll keep all my questions within.

TA.

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I am currently sitting this course and also have the EOS notes. I am sitting in the March 2nd Exam and am currently half way through my attended course at the training provider.

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I haven’t done the ‘new’ CPC but did pass my CPC in September last year - so most of the content is fresh in my head.

Any particular bits you’re stuck with I may be able to help. Still got all my notes etc.

Pete

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Thanks guys I’ll be in touch. Managed to read two modules today whilst waiting to get on the bay.

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Mod 3 - Industrial relations.

Guarantee Payments. Any employee, part time or full time, with at least one month’s service is entitled to be paid by his employer a guarantee payment if he is available for work but non is provided. He is entitled to be paid his normal wages up to a current limit of £22.20 per day for a maximum period of 5 workless days in any period of 3 months.

Ok first of all is this absolute law? Can an employer get out of this by writing something in your contract of employment that basically says they don’t have to pay it?

Secondly £22.20 per day is NOT my normal wages.

Can this be backdated?

Thanks :slight_smile:

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Spam-Javelin:
Mod 3 - Industrial relations.

Guarantee Payments. Any employee, part time or full time, with at least one month’s service is entitled to be paid by his employer a guarantee payment if he is available for work but non is provided. He is entitled to be paid his normal wages up to a current limit of £22.20 per day for a maximum period of 5 workless days in any period of 3 months.

Ok first of all is this absolute law? Can an employer get out of this by writing something in your contract of employment that basically says they don’t have to pay it?

Secondly £22.20 per day is NOT my normal wages.

Can this be backdated?

Thanks :slight_smile:

that doesn’t seem to make sense !! where did you get the info?

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Foxstein:

Spam-Javelin:
Mod 3 - Industrial relations.

Guarantee Payments. Any employee, part time or full time, with at least one month’s service is entitled to be paid by his employer a guarantee payment if he is available for work but non is provided. He is entitled to be paid his normal wages up to a current limit of £22.20 per day for a maximum period of 5 workless days in any period of 3 months.

Ok first of all is this absolute law? Can an employer get out of this by writing something in your contract of employment that basically says they don’t have to pay it?

Secondly £22.20 per day is NOT my normal wages.

Can this be backdated?

Thanks :slight_smile:

that doesn’t seem to make sense !! where did you get the info?

It’s in the EOS student notes for the CPC

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Yes it does say that

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I think you would need to look up about lay off pay.

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Spam-Javelin:
Mod 3 - Industrial relations.

Guarantee Payments. Any employee, part time or full time, with at least one month’s service is entitled to be paid by his employer a guarantee payment if he is available for work but non is provided. He is entitled to be paid his normal wages up to a current limit of £22.20 per day for a maximum period of 5 workless days in any period of 3 months.

Hi Spam-Javelin,

Please don’t take this the wrong way but as an ex-CPC classroom tutor, I’d like to offer you the following advice…

The EOS notes are regarded as the industry standard for operator CPC study, so my advice is that you accept the content of them without putting anything in, taking anything out, or questioning the need for the info to be there.

Spam-Javelin:
Ok first of all is this absolute law?

Yes, guarantee payments are covered by ERA 1996 ss 28-35 ( = proper law,) but you won’t be asked to quote it like that for a level 3 qualification, you just need to remember the facts as given in the EOS notes.

It’s your party mate, but if you go digging too deep, you’ll bury yourself in irrelevant detail and you might then lose sight of the ‘overview.’

:bulb: The whole idea of the operator CPC is to get you to a level of knowledge where you know roughly what’s what in quite a wide range of transport subjects, but with hardly any depth and detail. The other idea of it is that, after you’re qualified, you’ll know where to look on the occasion that you do need depth and detail in the real world as a TM.
In the real world, your perfectly good questions come under the heading of employment law so a good TM would reach for his Croner’s book, or consult a solicitor who specialises in employment law.

Also meant in a helpful way… this is one of my reasons for recommending folk to take operator CPC as a classroom course, because you’d have instant access to a tutor’s guidance at all stages.

As I said, please don’t take my post in the wrong way, and I truly hope it has helped. :smiley:

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Not taken the wrong way and thank you for your advice.

I do look into things a bit too much but I find this helps me get a better understanding of something that I’m not sure about.

I’d rather save myself a few quid by teaching myself in my own time using whatever means possible. This forum is the ideal place for that. Sitting in a classroom for 10 days skimming over the various modules just enough to get me a pass mark is not my preferred method of education. If I want to learn something it’s because I want to learn it and use it to my advantage.

Ofcourse everyone is different and some will agree that the classroom based CPC is much better but again I’d rather be out earning and learning at the same time.

Thanks :slight_smile:

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Spam-Javelin:
Not taken the wrong way and thank you for your advice.

Hi S J,

Thanks for your understanding. :smiley:

Spam-Javelin:
I do look into things a bit too much but I find this helps me get a better understanding of something that I’m not sure about…

… Sitting in a classroom for 10 days skimming over the various modules just enough to get me a pass mark is not my preferred method of education

I understand what you mean, and please trust me on this, but by the time you’ve over-explored that rather thick folder, you’ll be ready to explode!!

I wouldn’t suggest that you only study enough to scrape a pass mark, cos you’d be stuffed if you fell only slightly short of target.
My suggestion is that you adjust as follows…

Learn the stuff ‘as is’ but without looking for explanations, more depth or justification for what’s written.

You won’t score any extra marks for extra depth of knowledge, and please remember that the EOS student notes are written to address the exam questions at a sufficient depth. If more depth were needed, then it would already be there.

I’d also add that EOS have been producing their CPC student notes for quite a long time.
I used EOS notes when I did my CPCs back in 1997, and I’ve also used the EOS PowerPoint presentations and EOS tutor notes when teaching CPC. IMHO, they do a very good job of getting a CPC candidate to the level of knowledge required for the exams.

As I said, it’s your party, but I thought I’d share a little of my experience of seeing guys in a similar position to yourself who did loads of extra work for no good reason.

I’d like to wish you good luck for your CPC exams. :smiley:

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As my CPC trainer was wont to say, there is CPC land and there is the real world.

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Harry Monk:
As my CPC trainer was wont to say, there is CPC land and there is the real world.

I’ll add a +1 to that, it’s so true.

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Harry Monk:
As my CPC trainer was wont to say, there is CPC land and there is the real world.

I agree. Life would be boring if things ran like clockwork and to the book.

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all the best sir for the course and also be ready to answer my questions about it when i get the funds to get my ocpc. :wink:

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voc-hoc:
all the best sir for the course and also be ready to answer my questions about it when i get the funds to get my ocpc. :wink:

You doing the sit in course then? I’m not going to take the exam until September so you may very well get there before me.

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Spam-Javelin:

voc-hoc:
all the best sir for the course and also be ready to answer my questions about it when i get the funds to get my ocpc. :wink:

You doing the sit in course then? I’m not going to take the exam until September so you may very well get there before me.

Hi S-J,

I’d like to offer a little suggestion…

:bulb: Later in the Summer, please check with the provider of your student notes that they will still be valid for the September exam.

There is a natural ‘lag’ between a new law coming in and its inclusion in the exams.
Only the provider of your student notes can answer this question. :wink:

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dieseldave:

Spam-Javelin:

voc-hoc:
all the best sir for the course and also be ready to answer my questions about it when i get the funds to get my ocpc. :wink:

You doing the sit in course then? I’m not going to take the exam until September so you may very well get there before me.

Hi S-J,

I’d like to offer a little suggestion…

:bulb: Later in the Summer, please check with the provider of your student notes that they will still be valid for the September exam.

There is a natural ‘lag’ between a new law coming in and its inclusion in the exams.
Only the provider of your student notes can answer this question. :wink:

Will do :slight_smile: thanks for that

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no s-j am going to do the home study as the sit in a while price also two weeks pay wud be lost. thats true what dieseldave said as i got hold of a home pack a while back then got a look through a 2011 transport operator book and saw a good few changes.