Risk Assessments

[richmond]

Actually, i have had several meetings with health and safety and found them , on the whole to be fair and supportive, they just ask you to put down in writing , what would be common sense to an average idiot, however, if you dont have it in writing then you have no proof when the solicitors come… the buggers ya got to watch is them vulture solicitors…

[billybigrig]

richmond:
I am currently being sued by a truck driver, who undone a ratchet strap, pulled the strap towards him, the hook got caught on the machine, he pulled harder and pulled the machine over on himself and got caught by the falling machine on the way down, and its all my fault for allowing him to do it, with a i will sue you for every penny i can get culture also comes a i must protect myself from idiots sueing me culture and the inevitable huge rise in insurance premiums,… totally true, i shall be looking forward to the comments !

You have got to be [zb]ing me ■■?

[coffeeholic]

Wheel Nut:

Coffeeholic:

Long distance clara:

Coffeeholic:
Or maybe most drivers don’t worry about crap like risk assessments and just crack on and get the job done in the way they have been doing for years, with very few losses of limbs/eyes or an unacceptably high death rate.

And maybe that’s why we have accidents…

But we don’t have that many accidents, at least not enough to remove numpties from the gene pool.

I fixed that for you.

[browncow2]

Hombre:
I dont think Im missing the point at all - the point is the fact that the question was even asked in the first place.

If you are discharging ADR tanks then Im well up for H&S, risk assesments et al for no other reason than Im easily scared by nasty chemicals - but to go to such lengths to strap some pallets down beggars beleif. maybe this is why the UK is struggling so badly, it is drowning in a swamp of unecessary and pointless crap.

spot on.

[hombre]

Long distance clara:

Coffeeholic:
Or maybe most drivers don’t worry about crap like risk assessments and just crack on and get the job done in the way they have been doing for years, with very few losses of limbs/eyes or an unacceptably high death rate.

And maybe that’s why we have accidents but that’s another thread. I am not writing a RA nor am I a pallet driver I am just a Sado who wondered if anyone would write the words throw over in a RA, because of the flack that could come back to them should a driver hit someone.

I think that you worry too much - Ive been throwing straps and ropes over trailers all over europe for nearly thirty years and have never seen anyone get clumped by a strap hook or bit of wood tied to a rope to make it fly in the wind.

Maybe you ought to think about a Risk (averse) Asessment for the amount of times Ive chinned myself tightening ratchet straps up, the amount of times Ive trapped a pinky in a sideboard or chain stretcher, spilled tobacco on the steering wheel when rolling a ■■■ and hittin a bump etc… etc… etc… For gods sake get a life.

[coffeeholic]

Hombre:
…spilled tobacco on the steering wheel when rolling a ■■■ and hittin a bump etc… etc… etc… For gods sake get a life.

I’ve buttered the steering wheel before now while making a sandwich and I’ve hit a rare bump on a quiet French Autoroute.

[richmond]

There is actually a risk assesmant and procedure for entering and leaving a cab, called the three points of contact rule, i have to train all my staff how to do this, this is not a wind up, i assure you its all totally true !

[richmond]

just to add another laugh two weeks ago, we had our 73 yr old transit flatbed driver in training on how to secure and safely load a transit !,Bless him he took it all in his stride !He liked the free lunch best !he has been driving trucks all his life !

[long_distance_clara]

Hombre:

Long distance clara:

Coffeeholic:
Or maybe most drivers don’t worry about crap like risk assessments and just crack on and get the job done in the way they have been doing for years, with very few losses of limbs/eyes or an unacceptably high death rate.

And maybe that’s why we have accidents but that’s another thread. I am not writing a RA nor am I a pallet driver I am just a Sado who wondered if anyone would write the words throw over in a RA, because of the flack that could come back to them should a driver hit someone.

I think that you worry too much - Ive been throwing straps and ropes over trailers all over europe for nearly thirty years and have never seen anyone get clumped by a strap hook or bit of wood tied to a rope to make it fly in the wind.

Maybe you ought to think about a Risk (averse) Asessment for the amount of times Ive chinned myself tightening ratchet straps up, the amount of times Ive trapped a pinky in a sideboard or chain stretcher, spilled tobacco on the steering wheel when rolling a ■■■ and hittin a bump etc… etc… etc… For gods sake get a life.

. For god sake get a life you say! I will do this when you learn how to understand what you read. I never said I was worried, I never said I was writing a RA I never said I was in this line of work. I just asked what was in the RA for that job. If you don’t know don’t reply. Also if you stop trapping your fingers you might find it easier to roll your gags meaning less spilt baccy.

[8wheels]

I think that you worry too much - Ive been throwing straps and ropes over trailers all over europe for nearly thirty years and have never seen anyone get clumped by a strap hook or bit of wood tied to a rope to make it fly in the wind

I’ve done it Lobbed a strap over a P11 grout pump one of the rig crew was standing on the other side and it hit him on his hard hat. I’d looked to see if anyone was there but he was standing in line with the wheel on the pump.

[steptoe]

richmond:
I am currently being sued by a truck driver, who undone a ratchet strap, pulled the strap towards him, the hook got caught on the machine, he pulled harder and pulled the machine over on himself and got caught by the falling machine on the way down, and its all my fault for allowing him to do it, with a i will sue you for every penny i can get culture also comes a i must protect myself from idiots sueing me culture and the inevitable huge rise in insurance premiums,… totally true, i shall be looking forward to the comments !

I dont see how you can be sued for that, you didnt say “pull that strap harder” did you?

The Health and Safety at work act clearly states;

“Employees should take Reasonable care of their own Health & Safety and that of others who may be affected by their activities or omissions"

You cannot be responsible for every ■■■■■■■ idiot out there. He didnt take reasonable care. His own actions put him at risk, his own actions injured him.

[wheel_nut]

richmond:
just to add another laugh two weeks ago, we had our 73 yr old transit flatbed driver in training on how to secure and safely load a transit !,Bless him he took it all in his stride !He liked the free lunch best !he has been driving trucks all his life !

More fool you for paying for it, although I do like care in the community

[dieseldave]

steptoe:
The Health and Safety at work act clearly states;

“Employees should take Reasonable care of their own Health & Safety and that of others who may be affected by their activities or omissions"

Hi steptoe,

Whilst what you’ve quoted is spot-on, I’m afraid it’s not the only piece of legislation on the subject.

The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 are extra to the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974.

Owners/managers should have access to Approved Codes of Practice (ACOPs) which explain how compliance can best be achieved, but in less legalistic terminology than the Regs themselves.

Here’s a link to the ACOP for MHSW 1999
To save reading the whole of that, IMHO, Reg.3 and Reg.4 including the reference to Schedule 1 seems relevant, as might Reg.5.

I hope that helps.

[dave_k_1]

DadsRetired:

Hombre:
maybe this is why the UK is struggling so badly, it is drowning in a swamp of unecessary and pointless crap.

Sorry, dont agree with that. Its to pass the blame when something does go wrong.

I am a sailing instructor in my part time. Go down the list of things that CAN go wrong and no one would ever attempt to go near a boat again. Weigh this up with the measures taken to prevent it going wrong and suddenly it becomes a reasonably safe sport/hobby/pastime.

I’ll give you an easy one for sailing to start with:

1. Risk of drowning = always wear a buoyancy aid/lifejacket when near the water.

There, not that difficult is it and everyone is now “singing off the same hymm sheet”.

Try doing one in your head next time you are behind the wheel for operating an Artic.

1. Closing speed of 112mph between two wagons weighing in at 44 tonnes each.

2. Reversing without being able to see everywhere (blindside reverse).

3. Throwing straps (if its busy with lots of people around why not consider throwing a rope over first and then pulling over the strap?).

4. Filling the tanks on vehicle.

I could go on but think you get the idea.

Employ decent drivers - with a bit of common sense and they won’t wont be throwing straps etc about where there’s “lots of people around”

[happy_keith]

Re: Risk Assessments

Hombre:
‘…’ maybe this is why the UK is struggling so badly, it is drowning in a swamp of unecessary and pointless crap…’

Yes,Hombre, but it’s EU crap that the British voter advocates by endorsing Lab/Lib/Con politicians who embrace all such nonsense to the UK bosom on our behalf - and then castrate us in fear of expensive EU reprisal.

Alternatively, it has seeped or oozed into the UK under undemocratic diktats from foreigners whilst other foreigners in countries that actually care less, ie,those that might drink red wine, kill donkeys & bulls for sport, enjoy a 23 hr day naps in the sun and retire at age 55, etc don’t give a stuff.

[truckerspal]

I think it is best if we all stay in bed 24/7…surely there is no risk in that…oh no, wait a minute, bed sores, who could we sue for those?

[truckerspal]

Just thought, God is to blame for EVERYTHING…sue that See You Next Tuesday

[hombre]

Happy Keith:
Re: Risk Assessments

Hombre:
‘…’ maybe this is why the UK is struggling so badly, it is drowning in a swamp of unecessary and pointless crap…’

Yes,Hombre, but it’s EU crap that the British voter advocates by endorsing Lab/Lib/Con politicians who embrace all such nonsense to the UK bosom on our behalf - and then castrate us in fear of expensive EU reprisal.

Alternatively, it has seeped or oozed into the UK under undemocratic diktats from foreigners whilst other foreigners in countries that actually care less, ie,those that might drink red wine, kill donkeys & bulls for sport, enjoy a 23 hr day naps in the sun and retire at age 55, etc don’t give a stuff.

I cant think who you might mean…time for a little siesta I think.

[dieseldave]

Happy Keith:
… it has seeped or oozed into the UK under undemocratic diktats from foreigners whilst other foreigners in countries that actually care less, ie,those that might drink red wine, kill donkeys & bulls for sport, enjoy a 23 hr day naps in the sun and retire at age 55, etc don’t give a stuff.

Hi Happy Keith,

You’re not wrong about it having come from Europe, because part of it is the UK ensuring that a European Directive is implemented in the UK.
Here’s a snippet from point # 2 of the Explanatory Note right at the end of the actual MHSW Regs:

2. A new regulation 4 requires an employer to implement preventive and protective measures on the basis of general principles of prevention set out in Article 6(2)(a)-(i) of Council Directive 89/391/EEC (OJ No L 183, 29.6.89, p.1) and specified in Schedule 1 to the Regulations.

You can see proof right here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/3242/note/made

Although TBF, I’m not sure who was behind the idea, cos I didn’t notice any proof for that.

[steptoe]

2. A new regulation 4 requires an employer to implement preventive and protective measures on the basis of general principles of prevention set out in Article 6(2)(a)-(i) of Council Directive 89/391/EEC (OJ No L 183, 29.6.89, p.1) and specified in Schedule 1 to the Regulations.

Thats pretty straight forward then…