Has anyone ever seen a risk assessment for the strapping down of pallets? I find it hard to believe someone would right throw the strap over in a risk assessment or method statement, and to climb up would then involve working at heights. The only way I can think of would be using a cage on an flt to lift a designated person.
Can anyone give more information for no other reason than throwing and climbing in my opinion does not seem like something that would be put in a method statement or RA. Cheers
Yes, i have seen and done a risk assesment for throwing over a ratchet strap onto a pallet, dont get hung up over the title, its just a peice of paper saying how to minimse the risks, which should be obvious, but often arent, dont throw the hook, throw the strap, look for people on the other side, strap to the chassis where possible, not the rope hooks, if its possible, use a shephards crook to move the strap to where you want it to be, if you need to climb onto the bed, be carefull where you put your feet, and if possible use a harness, if not try to use cushions, most important is to check the condition of the straps and ratchets before use, and use corner protectors where possible or packing under the straps to minimise cuts to the straps, with regards to the harness and getting onto the vehicle bed, h an s realise there often isnt a good way to do this, but so long as you have thought about it and tried they are okay about it, if you think about it, you probably do all these things already, its just good working practise to put it down onto paper so there is no confusion or doubt…I do risk assesments and method statements every day,and are fairley easy when you get into the system, i dont think they are a bad idea, but almost every time when you get to a site, the job changes a bit, and method statement is out of the window, but risk assesmaents are normally not changed, in case your wondering, and before the flak, i get my secertary to type them up and inprove the punctuation and grammmer and spelling.!
Or maybe most drivers don’t worry about crap like risk assessments and just crack on and get the job done in the way they have been doing for years, with very few losses of limbs/eyes or an unacceptably high death rate. 
Coffeeholic:
Or maybe most drivers don’t worry about crap like risk assessments and just crack on and get the job done in the way they have been doing for years, with very few losses of limbs/eyes or an unacceptably high death rate.
If you have some steps or a ladder and they wont let you use them in the yard, just drive out onto the road and do it there, otherwise just coil the strap up and toss it over, that seems a good word to use in these circumstances.
Someone invented a strap launcher. I think it was called the Little ■■■■■■ 
Long distance clara:
Has anyone ever seen a risk assessment for the strapping down of pallets? I find it hard to believe someone would right throw the strap over in a risk assessment or method statement, and to climb up would then involve working at heights. The only way I can think of would be using a cage on an flt to lift a designated person.
Can anyone give more information for no other reason than throwing and climbing in my opinion does not seem like something that would be put in a method statement or RA. Cheers
Is this a wind up■■? Risk assesment? Method statement? Designated bloody person?? Too chuck a few straps over some pallets??
Please do not be offended but if you are serious then you are one of the people who is responsible for the unbeleivable risk averse society that is threatening to overwhelm civilisation. I would suggest you consider a change of occupation because if you really need umpteen bits of paper prior to carrying out such a simple task then your not up to the job.
Hombre:
Long distance clara:
Has anyone ever seen a risk assessment for the strapping down of pallets? I find it hard to believe someone would right throw the strap over in a risk assessment or method statement, and to climb up would then involve working at heights. The only way I can think of would be using a cage on an flt to lift a designated person.
Can anyone give more information for no other reason than throwing and climbing in my opinion does not seem like something that would be put in a method statement or RA. CheersIs this a wind up■■? Risk assesment? Method statement? Designated bloody person?? Too chuck a few straps over some pallets??
Please do not be offended but if you are serious then you are one of the people who is responsible for the unbeleivable risk averse society that is threatening to overwhelm civilisation. I would suggest you consider a change of occupation because if you really need umpteen bits of paper prior to carrying out such a simple task then your not up to the job.
your missing the point, It is not a risk assessment to ensure that everything is done safely, it is to cover the arses of the management and company, so that if, by some small chance, an acccident does happen, the driver can carry the can, and the management come up smelling of roses.
Everyone knows the old saying
“Them that can, do,
them that can’t, teach,
and them that haven’t got a bloody clue, do the risk assessments”
Not having a go at the people who are employed to do this stuff but it really is a sign of todays sad soft ridiculous world of work
Out of interest what in the view of H&S is the correct way to get chains over a load of steel pipes ?
I’m scared of what the answer may be
truckerjon:
Everyone knows the old saying
“Them that can, do,
them that can’t, teach,
and them that haven’t got a bloody clue, do the risk assessments”
PMSL
I dont think Im missing the point at all - the point is the fact that the question was even asked in the first place.
If you are discharging ADR tanks then Im well up for H&S, risk assesments et al for no other reason than Im easily scared by nasty chemicals - but to go to such lengths to strap some pallets down beggars beleif. maybe this is why the UK is struggling so badly, it is drowning in a swamp of unecessary and pointless crap.
Hombre:
I dont think Im missing the point at all - the point is the fact that the question was even asked in the first place.If you are discharging ADR tanks then Im well up for H&S, risk assesments et al for no other reason than Im easily scared by nasty chemicals - but to go to such lengths to strap some pallets down beggars beleif. maybe this is why the UK is struggling so badly, it is drowning in a swamp of unecessary and pointless crap.
It is much safer discharging a hazardous tank because people are aware of the dangers, they are trained what to do and trained in minimising all risks, The method statement is the instruction in writing, the risk assessment was done in a lab in a controlled environment. I would be more worried tipping a tank next to someone loading pallets, they may chuck a strap over and hit me on the head. Thats why I wear a hard hat
Risk Assessment for throwing straps =
Make sure your not going to hit anyone - Then throw
How complicated can that be■■?
m4rky:
Risk Assessment for throwing straps =Make sure your not going to hit anyone - Then throw
How complicated can that be■■?
I think you have hit the nail on the head - so to speak!
Long distance clara:
The only way I can think of would be using a cage on an flt to lift a designated person.
- place the ■■■■■■■■ the bed
- slide a pallet under the strap
- forklift all the pallets 6 inches into the air
- slide another pallet underneath
- lower pallets
- repeat 3 to 5
There’s another method that involves raising and lowering the suspension but that’s silly.
Hombre:
maybe this is why the UK is struggling so badly, it is drowning in a swamp of unecessary and pointless crap.
Sorry, dont agree with that. Its to pass the blame when something does go wrong.
I am a sailing instructor in my part time. Go down the list of things that CAN go wrong and no one would ever attempt to go near a boat again. Weigh this up with the measures taken to prevent it going wrong and suddenly it becomes a reasonably safe sport/hobby/pastime.
I’ll give you an easy one for sailing to start with:
- Risk of drowning = always wear a buoyancy aid/lifejacket when near the water.
There, not that difficult is it and everyone is now “singing off the same hymm sheet”.
Try doing one in your head next time you are behind the wheel for operating an Artic.
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Closing speed of 112mph between two wagons weighing in at 44 tonnes each.
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Reversing without being able to see everywhere (blindside reverse).
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Throwing straps (if its busy with lots of people around why not consider throwing a rope over first and then pulling over the strap?).
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Filling the tanks on vehicle.
I could go on but think you get the idea.
Coffeeholic:
Or maybe most drivers don’t worry about crap like risk assessments and just crack on and get the job done in the way they have been doing for years, with very few losses of limbs/eyes or an unacceptably high death rate.
And maybe that’s why we have accidents but that’s another thread. I am not writing a RA nor am I a pallet driver I am just a Sado who wondered if anyone would write the words throw over in a RA, because of the flack that could come back to them should a driver hit someone.
If you cannot throw the hook end of a strap over first is it all right to tie a brick to the other end?
I’m guessing there is more chance of finding one of those than a shepherd’s crook or a strap
launcher ■■■■■■ thing, especially if you do not have a regular motor.
Long distance clara:
Coffeeholic:
Or maybe most drivers don’t worry about crap like risk assessments and just crack on and get the job done in the way they have been doing for years, with very few losses of limbs/eyes or an unacceptably high death rate.And maybe that’s why we have accidents…
But we don’t have that many accidents, at least not more than is an acceptable level to remove numpties from the gene pool.
Coffeeholic:
Long distance clara:
Coffeeholic:
Or maybe most drivers don’t worry about crap like risk assessments and just crack on and get the job done in the way they have been doing for years, with very few losses of limbs/eyes or an unacceptably high death rate.And maybe that’s why we have accidents…
But we don’t have that many accidents, at least not enough to remove numpties from the gene pool.
I fixed that for you.
I am currently being sued by a truck driver, who undone a ratchet strap, pulled the strap towards him, the hook got caught on the machine, he pulled harder and pulled the machine over on himself and got caught by the falling machine on the way down, and its all my fault for allowing him to do it, with a i will sue you for every penny i can get culture also comes a i must protect myself from idiots sueing me culture and the inevitable huge rise in insurance premiums,… totally true, i shall be looking forward to the comments !
richmond:
I am currently being sued by a truck driver, who undone a ratchet strap, pulled the strap towards him, the hook got caught on the machine, he pulled harder and pulled the machine over on himself and got caught by the falling machine on the way down, and its all my fault for allowing him to do it, with a i will sue you for every penny i can get culture also comes a i must protect myself from idiots sueing me culture and the inevitable huge rise in insurance premiums,… totally true, i shall be looking forward to the comments !
Its not a H and S culture, its a fear culture that has been generated and it makes me sick! What sort of example are we setting for our kids when grown men are scared ■■■■■■■■ to make, and act on, decisions and actions that are part of our everyday life and routine. If the guy is too lazy to get up and free the hook, he deserves to have the machine fall on him! A dozen pieces of useless paperwork ain’t going to stop it hurting…
Richmond, I feel sorry for you because you are going to get penalised in some way for A.N.Other’s actions… But then, ultimately it affects all of us because costs and prices will rise to pay for all the tree planting…
The only way, nowadays, to protect yourself from idiots is to not employ anyone, don’t involve your business with anyone in any way, shape or form and cut yourself off from society completely! Its impossible to get away from at the moment but surely its not impossible to bring some sanity and common sense back to the workplace? I don’t believe that the H&S Executive are an unstoppable force but we do need a government with balls to take them on…and that will never happen, unfortunately!
Only my opinion, for what its worth… 