eagerbeaver:
Lol. Brutal and cutting comment Billy.Nice. A bit like offering your 6 year old son a toy rigid, or a toy artic.
We all know which one creates smiles, and which one is greeted with ‘WTF’ emblazoned across their face.
You have to be firm with these people, it’s no good sugar coating it, if they could do it they would. After all, nobody sets out to be second best do they.
muckles:
Juddian:
Waves…around 86 i left an artic job to drive 35cwt vans on nights, for a hell of a lot more money i should add, twas my first big break.
around 90/91 got made redundant from that same job (which had morphed into a seriously well paid night trunking artic job) and went driving cars vans and small lorries on trade plate deliveries, that led me into full size car transporter work.There are no hard and fast rules about what and why we do or drive what we do, no one increased the size of their wallet or ■■■■ by driving the biggest shiniest artic ever made.
Pay me my present salary and the same hours package to deliver a few car parts and batteries locally with a little Berlingo van and i’m your man.
Agreed , If I was offered an interesting job with reasonable pay on a van or rigid I’d be quite happy to take it over a bog standard job driving Artics
There must be a reason those jobs don’t come around, I’m struggling to think of one though.
BillyHunt:
The fact remains the same, we would have a go & eventually get it right, you aren’t allowed to drive mine without L plates.
To be fair it’s only a case of turning up at the test centre with that same outfit to convert class 2 with drawbar rights to the same C+E as ‘class 1’ drivers can get for turning up with a small 4 wheeler rigid and small caravan type trailer. 
I drive an 8w grab on the same rate as our artic lads.
My day is varied.
Every job is different.
The artics go to a limited number of destinations day after day, week after week.
Think I’ll stick with the rigid!
Stops the job getting boring! 
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
The fact remains the same, we would have a go & eventually get it right, you aren’t allowed to drive mine without L plates.To be fair it’s only a case of turning up at the test centre with that same outfit to convert class 2 with drawbar rights to the same C+E as ‘class 1’ drivers can get for turning up with a small 4 wheeler rigid and small caravan type trailer.
Exactly, you have to take another test to get up to the top level, that’s because it’s recognised as being the more difficult licence to get, otherwise they’d just have a single test to cover them all. Those that can do it do it, those that can’t say it’s not that difficult. 
BillyHunt:
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
The fact remains the same, we would have a go & eventually get it right, you aren’t allowed to drive mine without L plates.To be fair it’s only a case of turning up at the test centre with that same outfit to convert class 2 with drawbar rights to the same C+E as ‘class 1’ drivers can get for turning up with a small 4 wheeler rigid and small caravan type trailer.
Exactly, you have to take another test to get up to the top level, that’s because it’s recognised as being the more difficult licence to get, otherwise they’d just have a single test to cover them all. Those that can do it do it, those that can’t say it’s not that difficult.
You seem to have missed the point that ‘class 2’ by the strict meaning of the description still covers that 8 wheeler rigid and a 45 ft composite trailer coupled with an A frame dolly.The idea that an artic let alone 4 wheeler rigid and close coupled trailer is supposedly the ‘top level’ compared to that is still the same anomalous erroneous idea that it was when the class 1 category was first introduced. 
Simple question, can a driver with a class 2 licence drive a class 1 vehicle? I’m talking now, today, not some other now non legal time.
As I know you like to tell me what I really mean, in this case I mean, can a driver with a class 2, rigid vehicle legally drive a class 1 articulated vehicle. A simple yes or no would suffice, I know, who am I kidding 
My answer would be no, because if they could they would, but they cannot so they don’t.
Trust me there are probably plenty of ‘class 1’ drivers who really wouldn’t want to try that idea in the case of that impressive outfit.While being laughed at by the ‘class 2’ driver with drawbar grandfather rights when it all goes embarrassingly wrong for them.
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FFS Carryfast, don’t start you know who off again and I ain’t talking about Ronnie wotsit.
BillyHunt:
Simple question, can a driver with a class 2 licence drive a class 1 vehicle? I’m talking now, today, not some other now non legal time.
As I know you like to tell me what I really mean, in this case I mean, can a driver with a class 2, rigid vehicle legally drive a class 1 articulated vehicle. A simple yes or no would suffice, I know, who am I kidding
My answer would be no, because if they could they would, but they cannot so they don’t.
A driver with a ‘class 2’ could never at any time have driven an ‘artic’.
However every ‘class 2’ driver by definition was/is categorised to drive every other type of drawbar combination,including as I said,the example of an 8 wheeler rigid and a 40/5 foot composite/drawbar trailer. In which case as I said the basis of the class categories was flawed from day 1 being that the latter is unarguably the higher class outfit than the former. 
Meanwhile we’ve now got the C+E definition not class 1 which realistically makes the A frame drawbar outfit top dog where it should have been from day 1.The problem then being that doing that would upset all the artic drivers who’d like to think that artics are still at the top of the tree. Which is why we’ve now got the situation where as I said someone can get a ‘class 1’ by passing the ‘test’ in a 4 wheeler rigid and a close coupled trailer.
Of course there are also folk like myself who worked for companies that only had rigids, there was little point in me going for an ‘allegedly’ better class 1 license as it wouldn’t get used anyway! Back to the topic, no way would I consider a class 1 driver any better than a class 2 one as they both seem equally capable of maintaining the normal four metre (or less) gap behind the vehicle in front through motorway roadworks.
Pete.
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
Simple question, can a driver with a class 2 licence drive a class 1 vehicle? I’m talking now, today, not some other now non legal time.
As I know you like to tell me what I really mean, in this case I mean, can a driver with a class 2, rigid vehicle legally drive a class 1 articulated vehicle. A simple yes or no would suffice, I know, who am I kidding
My answer would be no, because if they could they would, but they cannot so they don’t.A driver with a ‘class 2’ could never at any time have driven an ‘artic’.
However every ‘class 2’ driver by definition was/is categorised to drive every other type of drawbar combination,including as I said,the example of an 8 wheeler rigid and a 40/5 foot composite/drawbar trailer.
Meanwhile we’ve now got the C+E definition not class 1 which realistically makes the A frame drawbar outfit top dog where it should have been from day 1.The problem then being that doing that would upset all the artic drivers who’d like to think that artics are still at the top of the tree.
I’m taking that as a no they cannot, no however required. The fact remains that a driver with a c&e licence could drive any combinations you come up with. A driver with a c licence couldn’t drive this, proving once again that class 1 drivers are superior. The fact that you don’t agree with the setup of licences, I know, I was shocked too, is irrelevant.
google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h … FAodeUcGag
Other company vehicles are available.
BillyHunt:
I’m taking that as a no they cannot, no however required. The fact remains that a driver with a c&e licence could drive any combinations you come up with. A driver with a c licence couldn’t drive this, proving once again that class 1 drivers are superior. The fact that you don’t agree with the setup of licences, I know, I was shocked too, is irrelevant.
google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h … FAodeUcGag
Other company vehicles are available.
We are actually discussing who/what is ‘superior’ by licence category defintion.On that note this is unarguably ‘superior’ to that and can be driven on a ‘class 2’ with drawbar rights which to all intents and purposes fits the definition of top dog C+E.As class 1 should have been from the start.
IE artic means different not top dog.
Guys,some people are not comfortable driving a proper HGV that’s why God invented the Class 2 licence…just let them be.
Punchy Dan:
Judging by the actions /driving of some Hgv drivers they were bullied at school or are by their wife .
No it’s 'cos the class 2 drivers are home more, giving it to either their wives or the class 1 trampers wives whilst they’re away on £8/hour and £20/night out money.
Carryfast has turned his boring dial up to 11 again.
ckm1981:
Guys,some people are not comfortable driving a proper HGV that’s why God invented the Class 2 licence…just let them be.
+1
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
I’m taking that as a no they cannot, no however required. The fact remains that a driver with a c&e licence could drive any combinations you come up with. A driver with a c licence couldn’t drive this, proving once again that class 1 drivers are superior. The fact that you don’t agree with the setup of licences, I know, I was shocked too, is irrelevant.
google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h … FAodeUcGag
Other company vehicles are available.We are actually discussing who/what is ‘superior’ by licence category defintion.On that note this is unarguably ‘superior’ to that and can be driven on a ‘class 2’ with drawbar rights which to all intents and purposes fits the definition of top dog C+E.As class 1 should have been from the start.
IE artic means different not top dog.
It becomes very clear how some people are just not able to attain the top licence, they cannot take in basic information. You bang on about drawbar trailers like they are some sort of unattainable goal, yet they can be driven by drivers with an inferior licence. My point, the one you refuse to acknowledge, is that any c&e licence holder could drive one, no class c licence holder could drive a class 1 vehicle. Now, you might not like it, you might not agree with it, but thems the actual facts. It’s not something you should be embarrassed about, some people are just not cut out for difficult jobs.
Contraflow:
Carryfast has turned his boring dial up to 11 again.
Like the new relaxed avatar Contraflow
BillyHunt:
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
I’m taking that as a no they cannot, no however required. The fact remains that a driver with a c&e licence could drive any combinations you come up with. A driver with a c licence couldn’t drive this, proving once again that class 1 drivers are superior. The fact that you don’t agree with the setup of licences, I know, I was shocked too, is irrelevant.
google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h … FAodeUcGag
Other company vehicles are available.We are actually discussing who/what is ‘superior’ by licence category defintion.On that note this is unarguably ‘superior’ to that and can be driven on a ‘class 2’ with drawbar rights which to all intents and purposes fits the definition of top dog C+E.As class 1 should have been from the start.
IE artic means different not top dog.
It becomes very clear how some people are just not able to attain the top licence, they cannot take in basic information. You bang on about drawbar trailers like they are some sort of unattainable goal, yet they can be driven by drivers with an inferior licence. My point, the one you refuse to acknowledge, is that any c&e licence holder could drive one, no class c licence holder could drive a class 1 vehicle.
I have a tv licence, but I don’t consider that I am better at watching telly than someone who hasn’t bothered to get one! Have you noticed how the majority of accidents involving hgv’s are those involving artics? The category of licence you hold does not make you a better driver, it may make you more qualified, but to use a very old saying " the clothes do not maketh the man"!!
BillyHunt:
It becomes very clear how some people are just not able to attain the top licence, they cannot take in basic information. You bang on about drawbar trailers like they are some sort of unattainable goal, yet they can be driven by drivers with an inferior licence. My point, the one you refuse to acknowledge, is that any c&e licence holder could drive one, no class c licence holder could drive a class 1 vehicle.
My point was and still is the fact that there is no relationship between licence categories v level of superiority.Drawbar type combinations from ballast tractor heavy haulage to the examples shown unarguably being at the superior level of the job.As for me unfortunately I spent more time driving inferior artics with my inferior class 1 licence than I did driving superior drawbars which I could have driven on my original superior class 2.
