switchlogic:
If it’s a green light company with DVSA they would tend to overlook the odd incident like this, at most a warning. That’s if they ever find out, and I can’t see how they would unless reported. In my experience DVSA are actually very reasonable and fully understand that stuff like this happens now and again. If it’s a red light company then I imagine this is the least of their worries!
No they really really won’t ‘overlook’ the chance to seriously nick someone for driving while their tacho card/chart is in a different vehicle recording duty/break/POA.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
If it’s a green light company with DVSA they would tend to overlook the odd incident like this, at most a warning. That’s if they ever find out, and I can’t see how they would unless reported. In my experience DVSA are actually very reasonable and fully understand that stuff like this happens now and again. If it’s a red light company then I imagine this is the least of their worries!
No they really really won’t ‘overlook’ the chance to seriously nick someone for driving while their tacho card/chart is in a different vehicle recording duty/break/POA.
Do you want to turn yet another post into an experience ■■■■■■■ contest?
You won’t win this one either
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
If it’s a green light company with DVSA they would tend to overlook the odd incident like this, at most a warning. That’s if they ever find out, and I can’t see how they would unless reported. In my experience DVSA are actually very reasonable and fully understand that stuff like this happens now and again. If it’s a red light company then I imagine this is the least of their worries!
No they really really won’t ‘overlook’ the chance to seriously nick someone for driving while their tacho card/chart is in a different vehicle recording duty/break/POA.
Do you want to turn yet another post into an experience ■■■■■■■ contest?
You won’t win this one either
What has ‘experience’ got to do with a black and white argument regarding a point of law as it applies to drivers hours and records.They’ll overlook driving while your card/chart is in a different vehicle recording something else.Yeah right they will.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
If it’s a green light company with DVSA they would tend to overlook the odd incident like this, at most a warning. That’s if they ever find out, and I can’t see how they would unless reported. In my experience DVSA are actually very reasonable and fully understand that stuff like this happens now and again. If it’s a red light company then I imagine this is the least of their worries!
No they really really won’t ‘overlook’ the chance to seriously nick someone for driving while their tacho card/chart is in a different vehicle recording duty/break/POA.
Do you want to turn yet another post into an experience ■■■■■■■ contest?
You won’t win this one either
What has ‘experience’ got to do with a black and white argument regarding a point of law as it applies to drivers hours and records.They’ll overlook driving while your card/chart is in a different vehicle recording something else.Yeah right they will.
Because I said ‘in my experience DVSA are actually very reasonable’ as unlike you most of the things I comment on are commented on because I have experience of the subject. And, unlike you and vastly more than most drivers I have hugely extensive experience of DVSA/VOSA procedures and checks, not to mention going through procedures having an O Licence in my name. I doubt you’ve even been pulled once in your 5 minute career going up the same boring road and back every. single. night. The law is far from black and white, it’s shades of grey depending on who is dealing with you. If you had experience you’d know that. Better luck next time.
Edit to add - Surely you’re not as naïve as to really believe the law is ‘black and white’? Actually a hilariously unusual thing for a conspiracy theorist such as yourself to believe. You’ve really plummeted in my opinion of your intelligence over our recent interactions chap.
switchlogic:
Surely you’re not as naïve as to really believe the law is ‘black and white’? Actually a hilariously unusual thing for a conspiracy theorist such as yourself to believe. You’ve really plummeted in my opinion of your intelligence over our recent interactions chap.
Yep the law is reasonably black and white regarding driving a truck on someone else’s card/chart.While your own is in a different truck recording something different.
I thought Carryfast hasnt driven since the mid 90s.
If so DVSA was not a thing then and neither was VOSA.
I may be completely wrong.
According to google.
In the early 1990s the Traffic Examiners and their associated enforcement (prosecution) offices ceased to be managed by TACD and merged with the Vehicle Inspectorate Executive Agency
It wasnt til like 2003 that VOSA became a thing.
DVSA like 2014 i think?
adam277:
I thought Carryfast hasnt driven since the mid 90s.
If so DVSA was not a thing then and neither was VOSA.
I may be completely wrong.
According to google.
In the early 1990s the Traffic Examiners and their associated enforcement (prosecution) offices ceased to be managed by TACD and merged with the Vehicle Inspectorate Executive Agency
It wasnt til like 2003 that VOSA became a thing.
DVSA like 2014 i think?
So, pre DVSA & VOSA, we had the Traffic Examiners.
“The Ministry” had traffic control points to examine log books and vehicles, company visits etc. “Silent checks” as vehicle reg numbers were written into notebooks, and yards monitored by people sat in cars with sandwiches and a flask of hot tea. Those numbers were cross referenced against log books later.
assets.publishing.service.gov.u … 13_077.pdf
For those who care about how the history of VOSA 
But ye I think Carryfasts experience may be out of date.
Also everyone was probably running bent as hell in his time.
adam277:
I thought Carryfast hasnt driven since the mid 90s.
If so DVSA was not a thing then and neither was VOSA.
I may be completely wrong.
According to google.
In the early 1990s the Traffic Examiners and their associated enforcement (prosecution) offices ceased to be managed by TACD and merged with the Vehicle Inspectorate Executive Agency
It wasnt til like 2003 that VOSA became a thing.
DVSA like 2014 i think?
It was the Ministry of Transport. Same thing, different names basically
adam277:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/211680/13_077.pdf
For those who care about how the history of VOSA
But ye I think Carryfasts experience may be out of date.
Also everyone was probably running bent as hell in his time.
This. In the eighties and nineties probably a reason he never got a job doing Europe is he refused to run bent. Fair enough, but he just needs to accept it was the norm at the time. So many British drivers these days get on their high horse without realising how this country left most behind when it comes to how bent we ran !
Carryfast gets a mention in my latest #TipTips video! www.lorry-driver.com
switchlogic:
adam277:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/211680/13_077.pdf
For those who care about how the history of VOSA
But ye I think Carryfasts experience may be out of date.
Also everyone was probably running bent as hell in his time.
This. In the eighties and nineties probably a reason he never got a job doing Europe is he refused to run bent. Fair enough, but he just needs to accept it was the norm at the time. So many British drivers these days get on their high horse without realising how this country left most behind when it comes to how bent we ran !
To be fair just like foreign ‘motoring offences’ a friendly road side ‘discussion’ with Les Flics over a dodgy or non existent tacho record in the 1980’s.
Wasn’t exactly the same thing as getting into an argument now over tea and biscuits with the TC, regarding driving someone else’s motor, in dear old blighty, while your card/chart is in your own motor recording something completely different.
All on the basis of how they’ll see it guilty until proven innocent.
As for the reason I never got a job on international work, I don’t ever remember being given the opportunity to answer any question as to whether I might be bothered about a few random tacho charts being accidently blown out of the open windows by the wind.
Also bearing in mind that I always preferred log books to those foreign imposed tacho things, for their ‘flexibility’ advantages, but as you’ve seen all in my favour and generally fail safe with the Gestapo.
While our neigbour at the time had a printing business which from memory did a roaring trade in forged permits.But no answers to my requests for any job contacts he might have been able to help me out with unfortunately. 
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Surely you’re not as naïve as to really believe the law is ‘black and white’? Actually a hilariously unusual thing for a conspiracy theorist such as yourself to believe. You’ve really plummeted in my opinion of your intelligence over our recent interactions chap.
Yep the law is reasonably black and white regarding driving a truck on someone else’s card/chart.While your own is in a different truck recording something different.
Ah you’re a jobsworth…isn’t that a surprise. To no one. At. All.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
adam277:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/211680/13_077.pdf
For those who care about how the history of VOSA
But ye I think Carryfasts experience may be out of date.
Also everyone was probably running bent as hell in his time.
This. In the eighties and nineties probably a reason he never got a job doing Europe is he refused to run bent. Fair enough, but he just needs to accept it was the norm at the time. So many British drivers these days get on their high horse without realising how this country left most behind when it comes to how bent we ran !
To be fair just like foreign ‘motoring offences’ a friendly road side ‘discussion’ with Les Flics over a dodgy or non existent tacho record in the 1980’s.
Wasn’t exactly the same thing as getting into an argument now over tea and biscuits with the TC, regarding driving someone else’s motor, in dear old blighty, while your card/chart is in your own motor recording something completely different.
All on the basis of how they’ll see it guilty until proven innocent.
As for the reason I never got a job on international work, I don’t ever remember being given the opportunity to answer any question as to whether I might be bothered about a few random tacho charts being accidently blown out of the open windows by the wind.
Also bearing in mind that I always preferred log books to those foreign imposed tacho things, for their ‘flexibility’ advantages, but as you’ve seen all in my favour and generally fail safe with the Gestapo.
While our neigbour at the time had a printing business which from memory did a roaring trade in forged permits.But no answers to my requests for any job contacts he might have been able to help me out with unfortunately.
Hope that makes sense to you at least as I have no idea…
switchlogic:
Hope that makes sense to you at least as I have no idea…
I’ll try to make it clearer.The ‘offence’ as ‘they’ see it would be no different to leaving your card on break/other work/POA in one vehicle and then driving off to do a run in a different vehicle with someone else’s card in the tacho.
Driving it in the yard not on the road makes no difference.
That ain’t called being a jobsworth it’s called being realistic it’s how their minds work.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Hope that makes sense to you at least as I have no idea…
.The ‘offence’ as ‘they’ see it would be no different to leaving your card on break/other work/POA in one vehicle and then driving off to do a run in a different vehicle with someone else’s card in the tacho.
Again not black an white. Depends on who is checking as to what they do, they aren’t all automatons. They do things in different ways, see things differently. So as I said almost no chance this will ever be discovered unless reported and unlikely to do much even if it was. I’ve encountered many DVSA minds in my time and as I said they are in general fairly reasonable. Over half my career working for the Dutch and the Irish, for instance Nolan’s and HSF, and I’ve never been fined for tacho offences. Parked up a few times for 24 hours but never fined. So yeah, in my experience pretty reasonable
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
.The ‘offence’ as ‘they’ see it would be no different to leaving your card on break/other work/POA in one vehicle and then driving off to do a run in a different vehicle with someone else’s card in the tacho.
So as I said almost no chance this will ever be discovered
In which case what would be the point of making driving off road subject to being recorded as driving time if they thought it wasn’t enforceable and moving someone else’s truck on their card/chart while yours is left in your own doesn’t fit the definition of ‘correctly recorded’.
It’s simple basic stuff you just don’t do it.You never move anyone else’s vehicle on their card and while yours is left in your own vehicle, whether in the yard or on the road.Even if it’s a shunter they will/should generally ask you first if your card/chart is still in it before they dare to move it and/or you’d tell ( shout at ) them if they attempted it.For obvious reasons.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
.The ‘offence’ as ‘they’ see it would be no different to leaving your card on break/other work/POA in one vehicle and then driving off to do a run in a different vehicle with someone else’s card in the tacho.
So as I said almost no chance this will ever be discovered
In which case what would be the point of making driving off road subject to being recorded as driving time if they thought it wasn’t enforceable and moving someone else’s truck on their card/chart while yours is left in your own doesn’t fit the definition of ‘correctly recorded’.
It’s simple basic stuff you just don’t do it.You never move anyone else’s vehicle on their card and while yours is left in your own vehicle, whether in the yard or on the road.Even if it’s a shunter they will/should generally ask you first if your card/chart is still in it before they dare to move it and/or you’d tell ( shout at ) them if they attempted it.For obvious reasons.
No, there’s a difference between not enforceable and unlikely to be discovered. You do know that DVSA don’t follow every company every minute right? Most green light companies will go years between checks. So how do you think someone moving a truck in the yard for a minute is ever going to be discovered and why do you think it’s a big drama? You’ve lived too long in the fantasy world in your head chap, some of us live in the real world where in reality doing something like this no one really gives the first s**** about
To echo Switchlogic.
As someone who has actually driven in the last 20 years.
Both Tesco and Co-op that I worked with in the last year or two both shunt lorries around the yard without a tacho card inserted.
I also believe both have FORS Gold accreditation.
I’ve also noticed at times when drivers have asked shunters for help to park a lorry. They never removed the card.
In the real world the DVSA dont care, they got bigger fish to fry.