the maoster:
Mountains and molehills springs to mind.
‘‘I knew this job had turned into a micro managed crock of ■■■■ by these people, but ffs’ really?’…Is the sentence that springs to MY mind. 
robroy:
simcor:
Regardless of whether it is off road or not you have driven a truck albeit very shortly with another drivers card in so yes an offence has been committed. You should never drive a truck with someone else’s card in the tacho and if you must move another truck technically speaking you should get them to take their card out take yours out and insert yours, which also would mean technically you’d need to do a pre use check on that truck as well. That’s in the eyes of the law.The only real acceptable time for moving vehicles without a card In is for shunting as missing mileage will need to be accounted for.
I would expect a warning would be the course of action in this case from your employer.
Yes you were just helping someone out but as you have now found in some companies they want you to work to the letter of the law.
Ok, but was I the only one waiting for the bit at the end saying…,
‘‘I know all this is pedantic ■■■■■■■■ which personifies modern management they do not want men working for them, they want subservient brainwashed robots, who go on to repeat all this crap without a hint of irony, and perpetuate it’’…
But sadly you didn’t add it.
I agree it’s a mountain made into a molehill but some companies have certain rules and sadly working for them you have to abide by said rules no matter how ridiculous they are.
I was just stating what “should be done” and what the likely outcome will be.
Doesn’t mean I agree with any of it but it’s what it is when working for certain firms.
simcor:
robroy:
simcor:
Regardless of whether it is off road or not you have driven a truck albeit very shortly with another drivers card in so yes an offence has been committed. You should never drive a truck with someone else’s card in the tacho and if you must move another truck technically speaking you should get them to take their card out take yours out and insert yours, which also would mean technically you’d need to do a pre use check on that truck as well. That’s in the eyes of the law.The only real acceptable time for moving vehicles without a card In is for shunting as missing mileage will need to be accounted for.
I would expect a warning would be the course of action in this case from your employer.
Yes you were just helping someone out but as you have now found in some companies they want you to work to the letter of the law.
Ok, but was I the only one waiting for the bit at the end saying…,
‘‘I know all this is pedantic ■■■■■■■■ which personifies modern management they do not want men working for them, they want subservient brainwashed robots, who go on to repeat all this crap without a hint of irony, and perpetuate it’’…
But sadly you didn’t add it.I agree it’s a mountain made into a molehill but some companies have certain rules and sadly working for them you have to abide by said rules no matter how ridiculous they are.
I was just stating what “should be done” and what the likely outcome will be.
Doesn’t mean I agree with any of it but it’s what it is when working for certain firms.
Ok, I take your point, I picked you up wrong, I wrongly thought you came across as ‘Preaching the Gospel according to up their own arse firms’'.
If the driver was delivering in the high street and fell off his tail lift, it would be quite possible a policeman would move the vehicle with his card in and without holding a driving licence, if said vehicle was obstructing traffic
If the driver was delivering in the high street and fell off his tail lift, it would be quite possible a policeman would move the vehicle with his card in and without holding a driving licence, if said vehicle was obstructing traffic
Wheel Nut:
If the driver was delivering in the high street and fell off his tail lift, it would be quite possible a policeman would move the vehicle with his card in and without holding a driving licence, if said vehicle was obstructing traffic
Certain circumstances yes it is possible. But their if a difference between moving a truck in an emergency and what the op did. Apples and oranges not the same scenario. And it is unlikely a police officer would move a truck he is isn’t licenced for unless its absolutely necessary.
Someone with a big gob must have been in the office.
remy:
Someone with a big gob must have been in the office.
Ain’t dat da truth 
src:
remy:
Someone with a big gob must have been in the office.Ain’t dat da truth
We were told as ‘night shunters’ we could move any motor in the yard without inserting our digital as long as each vehicle movement was under 2 mins. Not sure about whether this was legal or not but our TM said it was ok and we could move 20 - 30 units a night. Be impossible to do a check on every motor before we moved it! Imagine 30 x say 7 - 10 mins then time to put card in and out etc. Would take all night just to move units!
remy:
Someone with a big gob must have been in the office.
Said big gob needs the teeth in it rearanged so it dosen’t tell tales again. Its a non event not even worth the time it took to type the post to begin with . How can I claim for 5 minuites of my life that I have wasted ?
robroy:
simcor:
Doesn’t mean I agree with any of it but it’s what it is when working for certain firms.Ok, I take your point, I picked you up wrong, I wrongly thought you came across as ‘Preaching the Gospel according to up their own arse firms’'.
The issue of driving in the yard being seen as no different to driving on the road goes back a long time from memory to a test case involving an unfortunate driver v the ministry or whatever it was called at that point.
You wouldn’t/shouldn’t move a different truck with a different driver’s card in it on the road nor can you in the yard.It’s not a new thing.
The other driver’s card has to be removed before even thinking about moving it.In the real world let him sort out his own problems.
src:
He claims an offence is committed.
If I was one of the drivers in this ‘‘hypothetical’’ scenario, I would apologize to Mr. TM and start looking for another job that same day.
I can’t believe that such a petty matter is being discussed.
Star down under.:
I can’t believe that such a petty matter is being discussed.
That’s the whole point.
Such a petty matter has been escalated beyond any reasonable level by the TM.
It’s not a pleasant place to be…
src:
Where do the drivers stand?
In another companies transport office asking if they have any jobs going if they’ve any sense. No one wants to work for a company that’ll bother about anything that trivial
src:
What would DVSA say?
Get a grip and come back to us with something thats actually worth our time investigating most likely
The-Snowman:
Get a grip and come back to us with something thats actually worth our time investigating most likely
Like the possibility that a driver out of driving time, moved another driver’s vehicle in the yard, while his tacho card was recording break or other work or POA you mean.It doesn’t even matter at that point if they find that he had enough driving time the card was still on break/duty/POA while driving on someone else’s card.That’s how they’ll see it always looking for an easy nick. 
If it’s a green light company with DVSA they would tend to overlook the odd incident like this, at most a warning. That’s if they ever find out, and I can’t see how they would unless reported. In my experience DVSA are actually very reasonable and fully understand that stuff like this happens now and again. If it’s a red light company then I imagine this is the least of their worries!
switchlogic:
If it’s a green light company with DVSA they would tend to overlook the odd incident like this, at most a warning. That’s if they ever find out, and I can’t see how they would unless reported. In my experience DVSA are actually very reasonable and fully understand that stuff like this happens now and again. If it’s a red light company then I imagine this is the least of their worries!
Ha ha ha ha , are you for real , really nice people are vosa, can’t believe these really nice people didn’t over look one offence of a few mins without a card in , I mean really nice people would do that wouldn’t they , but no they spent 1 1/2 yrs trying to pin something else on me as they didn’t believe it was a 1 off , then these really nice people wanted to see my mrs bank / building society accounts (wtf has it got to do with them what money she has ) , then these really nice people dragged me from Grantham - Carlisle then if the t.c hadn’t seen sense & issued a caution another day out in Carlisle , and then the really nice Dvsa solicitor wanted £500 for a few mins work ( judge said &400 ) , then I had to pay £30 for a victim surcharge , but hang on they were lovely really , they would of overlooked it all , but well why do that when you can be ■■■■■■■■ & screw £776 out of some poor soul , £776 & the ZB DVsa solicitor said before we went in it was a nothing charge , and never mind that silly bint of a clerk of the court who was going on about custodial sentences
Yes it was a lovely experience with lovely people ,
Give you ■■■■■■■ head a shake
dozy:
switchlogic:
If it’s a green light company with DVSA they would tend to overlook the odd incident like this, at most a warning. That’s if they ever find out, and I can’t see how they would unless reported. In my experience DVSA are actually very reasonable and fully understand that stuff like this happens now and again. If it’s a red light company then I imagine this is the least of their worries!Ha ha ha ha , are you for real , really nice people are vosa, can’t believe these really nice people didn’t over look one offence of a few mins without a card in , I mean really nice people would do that wouldn’t they , but no they spent 1 1/2 yrs trying to pin something else on me as they didn’t believe it was a 1 off , then these really nice people wanted to see my mrs bank / building society accounts (wtf has it got to do with them what money she has ) , then these really nice people dragged me from Grantham - Carlisle then if the t.c hadn’t seen sense & issued a caution another day out in Carlisle , and then the really nice Dvsa solicitor wanted £500 for a few mins work ( judge said &400 ) , then I had to pay £30 for a victim surcharge , but hang on they were lovely really , they would of overlooked it all , but well why do that when you can be [zb] & screw £776 out of some poor soul , £776 & the ZB DVsa solicitor said before we went in it was a nothing charge , and never mind that silly bint of a clerk of the court who was going on about custodial sentences
Yes it was a lovely experience with lovely people ,
Give you [zb] head a shake
- Feel free to point out where I called them ‘really nice’ and 2. Not much to say about the rest, after all you’re one of the forums biggest Bulls…ters / clowns / fantasists. 3. Have a lovely evening