At work today we were told that the eleven hour rest period between shifts has ended and now we can be made to come back after nine hours.
In the past if we finished late after a bad shift and we were due on early the next day we would tell them to shove it and have an eleven hour break.
Have things changed or are we being told a pack of lies?
bull
NO the rest period is down to the driver if you feel you need an 11 hour then that is what you take this came up at our driver cpc and the reply is the min break is 11 hrs can be reduced to 9 hrs at the drivers discresion also you work in 24hr periods so even tho you may have had 11 hrs off if you start earlier than you did the previous day than it may be less than 11 hrs break counted very confusing but you look it up for a better discription!
yorkshiredave:
At work today we were told that the eleven hour rest period between shifts has ended and now we can be made to come back after nine hours.
In the past if we finished late after a bad shift and we were due on early the next day we would tell them to shove it and have an eleven hour break.
Have things changed or are we being told a pack of lies?
It sounds like the policy at your company has changed; they have been giving you an easy time before. Welcome to the real world.
the g bear:
NO the rest period is down to the driver if you feel you need an 11 hour then that is what you take this came up at our driver cpc and the reply is the min break is 11 hrs can be reduced to 9 hrs at the drivers discresion also you work in 24hr periods so even tho you may have had 11 hrs off if you start earlier than you did the previous day than it may be less than 11 hrs break counted very confusing but you look it up for a better discription!
Time to get another DCPC teacher or you weren’t listening correctly.
Nothing has changed recently, nothing has changed since the 11th April 2007.
You have to take 11 hours rest every day, however this can be reduced three times per week to 9 hours minimum. Even if you rest for 10 hours, it counts as a reduced rest period.
Dont forget, if you start work at 5.00 and you are still working at 18.02 you are going to use one of the reduced rest period, even if you do not start work until 09.00 the next day
the g bear:
NO the rest period is down to the driver if you feel you need an 11 hour then that is what you take this came up at our driver cpc and the reply is the min break is 11 hrs can be reduced to 9 hrs at the drivers discresion also you work in 24hr periods so even tho you may have had 11 hrs off if you start earlier than you did the previous day than it may be less than 11 hrs break counted very confusing but you look it up for a better discription!
Whilst the driver could claim to be too tired to reduce the daily rest period to nine hours, if it happened too regularly the company could decide that the driver was not up-to the job.
The daily rest period can of course only be reduced three times between weekly rest periods.
The bit about the 24 hour period makes me think maybe there’s yet another CPC instructor who doesn’t understand what he’s supposed to be teaching 
Either that or you’ve misunderstood what you was told 
If you’re working to EU regulations you’re required to have a regular or reduced daily rest period of 11/9 hours within the 24 hour period from the end of the last daily rest period or weekly rest period.
If you have an 11 hour daily rest period and start the next shift earlier than you did the previous shift there’s no way I can think of that you would not have complied with the daily rest requirements.
If you’ve misunderstood what you was told fair enough, but if what you’ve posted is really how it was explained to you then the instructor is wrong and should learn his trade before instructing other people
Got to agree with Ian there. The daily rest can be reduced to 9 hours - nowhere in the regulations does it state that it is at the DRIVERS discretion. The instructor who said it is probably talking (if not bullocks) about health and safety - if you are too tired to drive you can say that it is a risk. BUT, that won’t work very often with an employer
the g bear:
NO the rest period is down to the driver if you feel you need an 11 hour then that is what you take this came up at our driver cpc and the reply is the min break is 11 hrs can be reduced to 9 hrs at the drivers discresion also you work in 24hr periods so even tho you may have had 11 hrs off if you start earlier than you did the previous day than it may be less than 11 hrs break counted very confusing but you look it up for a better discription!
More BS taught on a DCPC course.
I would be wary about anything else they told you and wouldn’t believe it without checking,
the g bear:
also you work in 24hr periods so even tho you may have had 11 hrs off if you start earlier than you did the previous day than it may be less than 11 hrs break counted very confusing but you look it up for a better discription!
I hope you have misunderstood this or the trainer really is useless and shouldn’t be doing any training. If you take 11 hours and then start earlier than you did the previous day you will have had 11 hours rest, it is impossible not to in that situation.
Start shift 06:00
Finish shift 18:00
11 hours rest
Start shift 05:00
That’s 11 hours rest even though you started the second shift earlier than you did in the first.
What he should have been saying, and maybe he did but you misunderstood, is if your shift is more than 13 hours and you then take 11 hours off, starting later than you did the previous shift, then you have used a reduced rest period even though you took 11 hours actual rest.
Start shift 06:00
Finish shift 19:15
11 hours rest
Start shift 06:15
That is a reduced rest period of 10 hours 45 minutes rest even though you actually took 11 hours of rest.
what a load of crap.
what sort of firm do you work for? it looks like they send drivers home each day.
how the [zb] do they run a haulage company by running it this way?
and was this information given to you by some ■■■■■■■■ with spots, who doubles up as a dcpc instructor?
leave asap, it looks like you work for a chain of ■■■■.
My view is that the rules need changing
I would like to see a rule that says -
A full daily rest must be taken when at base or home but may be reduced providing that any reduction is added to the end of that reduced daily rest
That would mean a driver at base or home could take 9 hours off within the 24 hour period but then must add an extra 2 hours before starting a new 24 hour period
It would also leave the reduced daily rests available for those who are tramping as they are at present
I expect to be told that i am wrong but i thought that you could only reduce daily rest from 11 hours to 9 hours if the rest was taken if the vehicle was away from its operating base
ianto:
I expect to be told that i am wrong but i thought that you could only reduce daily rest from 11 hours to 9 hours if the rest was taken if the vehicle was away from its operating base
YOU ARE WRONG!!! Always happy to oblige 
ianto:
I expect to be told that i am wrong but i thought that you could only reduce daily rest from 11 hours to 9 hours if the rest was taken if the vehicle was away from its operating base
you are wrong
I think that MAY have been the case many moons ago - but I’m too young to be positive about it…
The Sarge:
I think that MAY have been the case many moons ago - but I’m too young to be positive about it…
Yeah, on old analogue tacho’s it was, reduced rest was only away from base.
But, they had to change it with the new rules due to digital tacho’s not recording start / end location, just country. So they changed it to be home or away.
There is rumours that it’s at drivers discression when at home, I’ve no idea about that, I hear that it’s false, but if I’m travelling to and from work, then I’m not having 9hrs off, I don’t give a ■■■■ whether it’s legal or not, I’m having no less than 10hrs off.
But, if I’m back at base but sleeping in the truck, then 9hrs is fine.
waynedl:
The Sarge:
I think that MAY have been the case many moons ago - but I’m too young to be positive about it…
Yeah, on old analogue tacho’s it was, reduced rest was only away from base.
Was never so, a reduced daily rest could be taken where ever you where, home or away! A reduced weekly rest could only be 36 hours at home not 24.
Forget the old rules!!! the “new” rules have been in force for 4 years on Monday.
Ian58:
Time to get another DCPC teacher or you weren’t listening correctly.
He was listening correctly. It is how much break time you have in a 24hr period from then end of the last daily rest ending, not what you take after you’ve done the work to starting the next day.
For example, you can’t take 11hrs off then do a 15hr shift and then take 11hrs off because 15+11=26.
Conor:
Ian58:
Time to get another DCPC teacher or you weren’t listening correctly.He was listening correctly. It is how much break time you have in a 24hr period from then end of the last daily rest ending, not what you take after you’ve done the work to starting the next day.
For example, you can’t take 11hrs off then do a 15hr shift and then take 11hrs off because 15+11=26.
You can if you want as long as you remember it will still be a reduction.
Conor:
Ian58:
Time to get another DCPC teacher or you weren’t listening correctly.He was listening correctly. It is how much break time you have in a 24hr period from then end of the last daily rest ending, not what you take after you’ve done the work to starting the next day.
For example, you can’t take 11hrs off then do a 15hr shift and then take 11hrs off because 15+11=26.
Conor, read what he said again. Nothing was said about a 15 hour shift.
If you still don’t understand then read Coffeholics and Tachographs posts. Or are they wrong also!
Conor:
He was listening correctly. It is how much break time you have in a 24hr period from then end of the last daily rest ending, not what you take after you’ve done the work to starting the next day.For example, you can’t take 11hrs off then do a 15hr shift and then take 11hrs off because 15+11=26.
Well, you could, but only 9 out of the 11 would actually count for the regs - the other 2 hours is non regulation rest - that’s a new bit of ROG terminology - non regulation rest