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I’d say they are correct . Nothing wrong whith charging for delivery of your own goods. Now if you picked a machine for someone else and charged delivery of that . Different matter .
Your wrong there right.
Delivering your own goods.
Concretejim:
Your wrong there right.Delivering your own goods.
Fair enough, I know it`s there owns goods, it was the charge for delivering, I thought that made it hire or reward
Hire & reward (standard) refers to hiring of truck with driver and being paid to carry the load.
fair enough, a slight misunderstanding on my part.
At least I know, more importantly I know I`m driving legally.
bardon.flyer:
fair enough, a slight misunderstanding on my part.At least I know, more importantly I know I`m driving legally.
You didn’t have anything to worry about as an employee.
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.
I reckon we were better off with the old A,B and C licences. Who remembers them.
Harry Monk:
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.
I`m going to be honest, that was what I have always believed too…
peterm:
I reckon we were better off with the old A,B and C licences. Who remembers them.
We’re they discontinued when computers were introduced?
The new managers were no longer required to be that familiar with the alphabet. [emoji2]
Harry Monk:
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.
He was definitely wrong.
To clarify it’s down to whose goods they are. Furniture retailer delivering a sofa to a store from a depot or to a customer, even if there is a charge, is restricted because the sofa’s are the furniture company’s.
You need a standard if you are moving other people’s goods for hire and reward not just anything for hire and reward. Example if you help a mate move house in a lorry as a favour it is not hire and reward - I believe they are even allowed to pay you diesel money but no profit. If someone pays you to move their belongings as a commercial transaction then you would as it’s other people’s goods for hire and reward.
No idea why employed drivers don’t wind their necks in with this type of thing and seem to be in some sort of competition to win the employee least likely to get the holiday they want or pay rise prize. This stuff an employed driver would never personally have any issue with from the authorities anyway.
Franglais:
peterm:
I reckon we were better off with the old A,B and C licences. Who remembers them.We’re they discontinued when computers were introduced?
The new managers were no longer required to be that familiar with the alphabet. [emoji2]
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.To clarify it’s down to whose goods they are. Furniture retailer delivering a sofa to a store from a depot or to a customer, even if there is a charge, is restricted because the sofa’s are the furniture company’s.
If the furniture retailer was delivering a sofa to a customer who had already paid for the sofa then the sofa doesn’t belong to the furniture retailer it belongs to the customer. Would the retailer need standard o license or a restricted license?
Midnight Rambler:
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.To clarify it’s down to whose goods they are. Furniture retailer delivering a sofa to a store from a depot or to a customer, even if there is a charge, is restricted because the sofa’s are the furniture company’s.
If the furniture retailer was delivering a sofa to a customer who had already paid for the sofa then the sofa doesn’t belong to the furniture retailer it belongs to the customer. Would the retailer need standard o license or a restricted license?
You’re in the wrong job. You could make a fortune at the bar. [emoji2]
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Midnight Rambler:
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.To clarify it’s down to whose goods they are. Furniture retailer delivering a sofa to a store from a depot or to a customer, even if there is a charge, is restricted because the sofa’s are the furniture company’s.
If the furniture retailer was delivering a sofa to a customer who had already paid for the sofa then the sofa doesn’t belong to the furniture retailer it belongs to the customer. Would the retailer need standard o license or a restricted license?
From GV74 Goods Vehicle Operator Licensing, Guide for Operators, might answer your question. IT was published 2011, but I think it’s still relevant
restricted licence for the carriage of goods on the the licence holder’s own account in connection with their business.
(The term “own account” is described in more detail under the heading “Restricted Licence” below).
Restricted licence
A restricted licence only allows you to carry your own goods on your own account within Great Britain and the EUThe term “own account” is essentially described in European legislation as where:
the goods carried are the property of the undertaking or have been sold, bought, let out on hire or hired, produced, extracted, processed or repaired by it;
the purpose of the journey is to carry the goods to or from the undertaking or to move them for its own requirements;
vehicles are driven by personnel employed by, or put at the disposal of, the undertaking under a contractual obligation;
the vehicles carrying the goods are owned by the undertaking, have been bought by it on deferred terms or have been hired in line with European legislation; and
the carriage is no more than ancillary to the overall activities of the undertaking.
Take note:
The carriage of goods for a subsidiary, sister-subsidiary or a holding company is also permitted under a restricted licence, but you must not carry goods for any other organisations for hire or reward. If you do, you could be fined or even lose your licence.
muckles:
Midnight Rambler:
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.To clarify it’s down to whose goods they are. Furniture retailer delivering a sofa to a store from a depot or to a customer, even if there is a charge, is restricted because the sofa’s are the furniture company’s.
If the furniture retailer was delivering a sofa to a customer who had already paid for the sofa then the sofa doesn’t belong to the furniture retailer it belongs to the customer. Would the retailer need standard o license or a restricted license?
From GV74 Goods Vehicle Operator Licensing, Guide for Operators, might answer your question. IT was published 2011, but I think it’s still relevant
restricted licence for the carriage of goods on the the licence holder’s own account in connection with their business.
(The term “own account” is described in more detail under the heading “Restricted Licence” below).Restricted licence
A restricted licence only allows you to carry your own goods on your own account within Great Britain and the EUThe term “own account” is essentially described in European legislation as where:
the goods carried are the property of the undertaking or have been sold, bought, let out on hire or hired, produced, extracted, processed or repaired by it;
the purpose of the journey is to carry the goods to or from the undertaking or to move them for its own requirements;
vehicles are driven by personnel employed by, or put at the disposal of, the undertaking under a contractual obligation;
the vehicles carrying the goods are owned by the undertaking, have been bought by it on deferred terms or have been hired in line with European legislation; and
the carriage is no more than ancillary to the overall activities of the undertaking.
Take note:
The carriage of goods for a subsidiary, sister-subsidiary or a holding company is also permitted under a restricted licence, but you must not carry goods for any other organisations for hire or reward. If you do, you could be fined or even lose your licence.
That makes it quite clear, a restricted license is required
Midnight Rambler:
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.To clarify it’s down to whose goods they are. Furniture retailer delivering a sofa to a store from a depot or to a customer, even if there is a charge, is restricted because the sofa’s are the furniture company’s.
If the furniture retailer was delivering a sofa to a customer who had already paid for the sofa then the sofa doesn’t belong to the furniture retailer it belongs to the customer. Would the retailer need standard o license or a restricted license?
It remains the property of the retailer until it is off the vehicle and signed for in your living room.
chester1:
Midnight Rambler:
Own Account Driver:
Harry Monk:
The same scenario came up when I took my operator’s CPC and the tutor was adamant that if a charge was made to transport equipment, even if the equipment was owned by the company transporting it, then a standard licence was required.To clarify it’s down to whose goods they are. Furniture retailer delivering a sofa to a store from a depot or to a customer, even if there is a charge, is restricted because the sofa’s are the furniture company’s.
If the furniture retailer was delivering a sofa to a customer who had already paid for the sofa then the sofa doesn’t belong to the furniture retailer it belongs to the customer. Would the retailer need standard o license or a restricted license?
It remains the property of the retailer until it is off the vehicle and signed for in your living room.
Same as Curry’s , the delivery notes we had said all items remain property of DSGI ltd till signed for and paid in full
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peterm:
I reckon we were better off with the old A,B and C licences. Who remembers them.
My old Dad had a C licence in his Ford Cortina estate he used to collect stuff to sell in his shop.