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Just when roads aren’t bad enough they come up with this 
April 1st came quickly. I hope.
And how much will it cost local councels to get rid of them ?
bald bloke:
And how much will it cost local councels to get rid of them ?
And how quickly will people get used to it and speed back up to normal? 
half of the numpties on the roads are going to be buggered without anything to guide them . they can’t stay in lane with lines , so they will be all over the place if this comes into effect . i reckon the geniuses who came up with this ridiculous idea should be named so that when the crap hits the fan they can shoulder the blame .
Anybody noticed how people park when there’s no lines to guide them?
some drivers are governed by white lines instead of using common sense
Notice the car staying within the lines when it is safer to straddle it so half the car is in each lane - they do 30mph barely a doors width from the parked cars with room enough on the right for two vans side by side - WHY■■?
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ROG:
some drivers are governed by white lines instead of using common senseNotice the car staying within the lines when it is safer to straddle it so half the car is in each lane - they do 30mph barely a doors width from the parked cars with room enough on the right for two vans side by side - WHY■■?
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The centre line is there for a reason because it denotes which side of the road and/or which lane is which.Bearing in mind the potential results of a head on collision.The idea of ‘shaving’ parked vehicles within the centre line being that it saves having to stop forever waiting for a never ending stream of approaching traffic to clear while still avoiding the risk of a head on collision.Which then just becomes a relatively safe habit.
While I’m guessing that the zbwits who want to remove the lines are either those who’d open their car doors while something is passing or who don’t give a zb about centre markings or lane markings anyway because they haven’t got a clue how to judge vehicle width.So by their logic getting rid of the lines makes all that ‘safer’. 
rigsby:
half of the numpties on the roads are going to be buggered without anything to guide them
Everyone is zb’d without lines because without the lines there is no ‘lane’ or centre of the road other than the one which the muppets who support the idea make up in their own heads.The fact is without clear road markings it’s likely that blame for a collision could be apportioned to the wrong person to the point where an innocent driver ends up in the nick.
Have to disagree with everyone on this, I think it’s a brilliant idea. If you get rid of white lines, traffic signs etc drivers have to use their brains instead of being on autopilot all the time.
I remember reading about Drachten, Netherlands a few years back which tried a similar idea, they made the roads more dangerous so everybody had to take more care and accident rate dropped dramatically.
wing-nut:
they made the roads more dangerous so everybody had to take more care and accident rate dropped dramatically.
Tell it like it is.A typically moronic Green/Socialist PC idea to slow traffic down to ‘change’ road user attitudes to use of more Party approved forms of transport.IE a blanket 20 mph limit imposed by stealth.
No surprise they won’t accept the same logic regards removal of motorway speed limits.
Drivers are taught quite correctly when learning to keep as much as poss within the lines but to go slow if near parked vehicles but when they get more driving done post test they do not seem to get the idea of using all available safe legal road space - that is probably because there is no compulsory post test training so they are stuck with basic learner skills with the one difference - they now go faster within the lane near parked cars !!
Hang on - Since November 2015 all HGVs have to have Lane Departure Warning Systems which rely on being able to see the white lines.
Also the forthcoming autonomous self driving trucks also use those white lines.
I think various departments need to read each other’s memos.
ROG:
Drivers are taught quite correctly when learning to keep as much as poss within the lines but to go slow if near parked vehicles but when they get more driving done post test they do not seem to get the idea of using all available safe legal road space - that is probably because there is no compulsory post test training so they are stuck with basic learner skills with the one difference - they now go faster within the lane near parked cars !!
How can routinely unecessarily driving on the wrong side of the road let alone with no demarcation to denote which side is which be ‘safe’.The usual result being a potentially catastrophic near miss when someone decides to overtake a parked vehicle by unecessarily leaving loads of room that they didn’t need to.When the innocent driver going in the opposite direction ‘thought’ they were going through on their ‘own’ side of the road.The fact is we don’t need to apply backward third world driving ideas in a developed country where we expect road markings to denote who and what drives where and drivers to adhere to them wherever possible.
On that note it’s actually ‘legal’ to drive on the wrong side of the road anywhere and everywhere unless lines or signs say otherwise and unless something is approaching in the opposite direction.In which case it’s just a matter of time until the idea would end in tears let alone if we then remove the lines denoting which side is which completely.Your ideas remind me of that of drivers who routinely straightening corners and bends by crossing the centre line ‘until’ it all goes catastrophically wrong with un sighted opposing traffic suddenly being there.
Well I find it hard to say anything other than, how stupid can you get? This to me looks a lot more dangerous than, ABS lead in storage locker and fuse No 10 out.
Allegedly the 220-30 Iveco would do 80 MPH at 2000 RPM and about 7mpg at 38t.
I don’t envy some of the crap you blokes have to put up with and no white lines is nuts, think dark foggy wet rainy conditions.
some drivers are governed by white lines instead of using common sense
Totally agree with the above but on the other side of the coin you have the ones that completely ignore them.
Carryfast:
ROG:
Drivers are taught quite correctly when learning to keep as much as poss within the lines but to go slow if near parked vehicles but when they get more driving done post test they do not seem to get the idea of using all available safe legal road space - that is probably because there is no compulsory post test training so they are stuck with basic learner skills with the one difference - they now go faster within the lane near parked cars !!How can routinely unecessarily driving on the wrong side of the road let alone with no demarcation to denote which side is which be ‘safe’.The usual result being a potentially catastrophic near miss when someone decides to overtake a parked vehicle by unecessarily leaving loads of room that they didn’t need to.When the innocent driver going in the opposite direction ‘thought’ they were going through on their ‘own’ side of the road.The fact is we don’t need to apply backward third world driving ideas in a developed country where we expect road markings to denote who and what drives where and drivers to adhere to them wherever possible.
On that note it’s actually ‘legal’ to drive on the wrong side of the road anywhere and everywhere unless lines or signs say otherwise and unless something is approaching in the opposite direction.In which case it’s just a matter of time until the idea would end in tears let alone if we then remove the lines denoting which side is which completely.Your ideas remind me of that of drivers who routinely straightening corners and bends by crossing the centre line ‘until’ it all goes catastrophically wrong with un sighted opposing traffic suddenly being there.
Nobody mentioned driving on the wrong side of the road but far too many drivers drive too close to parked vehicles for exactly the reason Rog mentioned.
Regarding 3rd world countries Carryfast they are not as backward as you seem to think. I was in one particular busy city and the first time I saw what was going on I thought how can this ever work(but it worked very well) and all down to driver attitude.
There were no traffic lights, no road markings, no stop signs,and no rules whatsoever.
Everyone just filtered passed each other at busy junctions waving politely and smiling. No angry drivers, no road rage and not any more accidents than this country.
So maybe we are not as good as we think with our ideas.
Your ideas remind me of that of drivers who routinely straightening corners and bends by crossing the centre line
I thought you were an advanced driver? Don’t tell me you are one of these that sticks between the lines all the time.
Try going out with an advanced police driver and they will show you the benefits. It may not be beneficial in a truck but in a car or motorcycle driven or ridden properly it has great advantages and is completely safe.
albion1971:
some drivers are governed by white lines instead of using common sense
We’re ‘governed’ by road markings of many types.Whether give way or stop or do not cross or hazard or lane markings or protected right hand turn or road centre line etc etc etc.There’s no situation in which we can just arbitrarily decide to ignore them and make up the rules as we go.So how can the authrorities suddenly decide to arbitrarily get rid of them thereby creating a situation of just leaving drivers to decide road positioning and road layouts to suit themselves.
The obvious intention being to deliberately create dangerous anarchy thereby creating a lower speed environment by stealth.
That’s even assuming most drivers actually reduce speeds to match.
Carryfast:
albion1971:
some drivers are governed by white lines instead of using common senseWe’re ‘governed’ by road markings of many types.Whether give way or stop or do not cross or hazard or lane markings or protected right hand turn or road centre line etc etc etc.There’s no situation in which we can just arbitrarily decide to ignore them and make up the rules as we go.So how can the authrorities suddenly decide to arbitrarily get rid of them thereby creating a situation of just leaving drivers to decide road positioning and road layouts to suit themselves.
The obvious intention being to deliberately create dangerous anarchy thereby creating a lower speed environment by stealth.
That’s even assuming most drivers actually reduce speeds to match.
I never said removing the centre lines was a good idea. Most drivers cannot drive properly with them.
What I said was Rog is perfectly correct that drivers do not use enough of the road when it is available.
albion1971:
Carryfast:
Your ideas remind me of that of drivers who routinely straightening corners and bends by crossing the centre lineI thought you were an advanced driver? Don’t tell me you are one of these that sticks between the lines all the time.
Try going out with an advanced police driver and they will show you the benefits.
It depends on your definition of ‘advanced’.Would you prefer that to mean someone who knows they can get through a corner much faster or with less thought and/or planning by cutting it.
Or long ago decided the risks outweigh the advantages and takes pride in keeping the wheels of an artic within the centre line through corners wherever possible for example.Or would prefer to take the corner a bit slower on entry thereby staying on the correct side of the road and make up for the time lost on the exit.Bearing in mind roads aren’t race circuits and have to be shared with traffic travelling in opposite directions.