Reloads for flat trailer in truro

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newmercman:
When I was flogging Mercs, the people buying new lorries were mostly speccing them with flatbeds, I know they’re not trailers, but the point is, the ones running flats were buying new equipment, the general hauliers with curtain siders were not, don’t know about you, but the state of the new truck market tells me where the money is/was/will be :bulb:

A 6 wheeler tilt with ISO capability when it’s stripped to a flat and drawbar spec and if only LHV’s were allowed giving it the the ability to pull a 45 ft trailer to the same spec would be my choice.I think that covers just about everything from a flat to a fridge with one outfit. :wink: :smiley:

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A huge flaw in your dream carryfast… Health and safety, you turn up somewhere and try and strip a tilt down and you would give the HSE a heart attack :open_mouth:

Another huge flaw is the time, people would not want you blocking their yard for an hour or more while you stripped/rebuilt your tent :open_mouth:

You also would need somewhere to put all the superstructure and the tilt cover while you’re using it as a flat, eating up payload and load space :bulb:

A tilt was a jack of all trades and master of none, they belong in the history books now :wink:

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newmercman:
A huge flaw in your dream carryfast… Health and safety, you turn up somewhere and try and strip a tilt down and you would give the HSE a heart attack :open_mouth:

Another huge flaw is the time, people would not want you blocking their yard for an hour or more while you stripped/rebuilt your tent :open_mouth:

You also would need somewhere to put all the superstructure and the tilt cover while you’re using it as a flat, eating up payload and load space :bulb:

A tilt was a jack of all trades and master of none, they belong in the history books now :wink:

I could probably understand some of that in the case of doing a lot of jobs involving overhead loading/tipping especially if it’s a case of tramping between jobs.But things start looking a lot better in the case of the majority of the jobs being side/rear loaded and/or swapping between running it as a flat or a tilt being done mainly at base.In which case it does the job of effectively being a low cost curtainsider with the ability to also be used as a flat as and when required well enough.Then as I said add ISO locks cabability to that there’s probably a lot worse ways of doing the job. :bulb:

But as for elf and safety.Having to sheet most loads ( assuming it’s a flat that’s going to be used on all jobs including side/rear loaded ),just like in ye old days of British haulage :smiling_imp: :laughing: ,there’s probably more chance of wrecking your back heaving sheets around or falling off the top of a load,amongst all the other aggravation of sheeting loads which I’ve always hated doing with a passion :smiling_imp: , than there is of doing the same thing while shifting the bits of framework and cover during the few times that a tilt needs to be stripped for overhead jobs.At least that’s how I saw it. :wink:

I’m in agreement with caledoniandream ( and Harry ) on the subject of flats and I think a tilt is probably what I’d still spend the money on if I was looking to buy a trailer for general haulage work.

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A Tilt trailer is obsolete, heavy and difficult to work with. If you want weather protection, be able to load it through the sides or roof, you would need a Euroliner or a sliding roof curtainsider.

You cannot just convert a tilt to a flat trailer, it takes most of half a day and you have to leave the superstructure behind, meanwhile the guy with the flat has loaded, sheeted or secured his open load and had his breakfast, while you are surounded by pieces of wood, steel box section, galvanised tubes and a sheet you cannot lift.

Like I said you are still living in the 70’s

Tilts were great on TIR work, you loaded on a Thursday and tipped the following Wednesday or a week on Wednesday.

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Ok… So Carryfast who was a griiter driver and did a night trunk in a 2800 Daf, Caledoniandream who was on tankers and Harry Monk, who pulls other people’s curtainsiders around, think that flat trailers are a thing of the past :open_mouth:

Well that settles it then :laughing:

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Carryfast:

newmercman:
A huge flaw in your dream carryfast… Health and safety, you turn up somewhere and try and strip a tilt down and you would give the HSE a heart attack :open_mouth:

Another huge flaw is the time, people would not want you blocking their yard for an hour or more while you stripped/rebuilt your tent :open_mouth:

You also would need somewhere to put all the superstructure and the tilt cover while you’re using it as a flat, eating up payload and load space :bulb:

A tilt was a jack of all trades and master of none, they belong in the history books now :wink:

I could probably understand some of that in the case of doing a lot of jobs involving overhead loading/tipping especially if it’s a case of tramping between jobs.But things start looking a lot better in the case of the majority of the jobs being side/rear loaded and/or swapping between running it as a flat or a tilt being done mainly at base.In which case it does the job of effectively being a low cost curtainsider with the ability to also be used as a flat as and when required well enough.Then as I said add ISO locks cabability to that there’s probably a lot worse ways of doing the job. :bulb:

But as for elf and safety.Having to sheet most loads ( assuming it’s a flat that’s going to be used on all jobs including side/rear loaded ),just like in ye old days of British haulage :smiling_imp: :laughing: ,there’s probably more chance of wrecking your back heaving sheets around or falling off the top of a load,amongst all the other aggravation of sheeting loads which I’ve always hated doing with a passion :smiling_imp: , than there is of doing the same thing while shifting the bits of framework and cover during the few times that a tilt needs to be stripped for overhead jobs.At least that’s how I saw it. :wink:

I’m in agreement with caledoniandream ( and Harry ) on the subject of flats and I think a tilt is probably what I’d still spend the money on if I was looking to buy a trailer for general haulage work.

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I hope your tilt would be a spread axle with a big belly tank on it. :smiley:

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newmercman:
Ok… So Carryfast who was a griiter driver and did a night trunk in a 2800 Daf, Caledoniandream who was on tankers and Harry Monk, who pulls other people’s curtainsiders around, think that flat trailers are a thing of the past :open_mouth:

Well that settles it then :laughing:

ok so what trailer would you use to carry this?

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Wheel Nut:
A Tilt trailer is obsolete, heavy and difficult to work with. If you want weather protection, be able to load it through the sides or roof, you would need a Euroliner or a sliding roof curtainsider.

You cannot just convert a tilt to a flat trailer, it takes most of half a day and you have to leave the superstructure behind, meanwhile the guy with the flat has loaded, sheeted or secured his open load and had his breakfast, while you are surounded by pieces of wood, steel box section, galvanised tubes and a sheet you cannot lift.

Like I said you are still living in the 70’s

Tilts were great on TIR work, you loaded on a Thursday and tipped the following Wednesday or a week on Wednesday.

Exactly most UK trucks nowadays will be tipped and reloaded at least once a day even if one is them rough the back and one through the side you would soon tire of it.

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Wheel Nut:
A Tilt trailer is obsolete, heavy and difficult to work with. If you want weather protection, be able to load it through the sides or roof, you would need a Euroliner or a sliding roof curtainsider.

You cannot just convert a tilt to a flat trailer, it takes most of half a day and you have to leave the superstructure behind, meanwhile the guy with the flat has loaded, sheeted or secured his open load and had his breakfast, while you are surounded by pieces of wood, steel box section, galvanised tubes and a sheet you cannot lift.

Like I said you are still living in the 70’s

Tilts were great on TIR work, you loaded on a Thursday and tipped the following Wednesday or a week on Wednesday.

Experience during the 1980’s,doing just local/medium distance uk work,using one mainly as a curtainsider and occasionally as a flat when it was stripped,admittedly with some help,in the yard,with the cover kept and used as a sheet ( you’re right it was heavy ) :open_mouth:, tells me that isn’t totally accurate.But the advantages of being able to use it as a curtainsider,on the large majority of jobs ( in which case it was me who was gone and miles up the road instead of needing to be zb’ing about sheeting loads on a multi collection and drop basis ),made up for the inconvenience of having to strip it back at the yard the few times when needed to use it as a flat.I don’t think there’s any way of getting that type of capability other than using the option of a tilt.

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philgor:

newmercman:
Ok… So Carryfast who was a griiter driver and did a night trunk in a 2800 Daf, Caledoniandream who was on tankers and Harry Monk, who pulls other people’s curtainsiders around, think that flat trailers are a thing of the past :open_mouth:

Well that settles it then :laughing:

ok so what trailer would you use to carry this?

Looks like it’d go on a rigid TBH

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philgor:

newmercman:
Ok… So Carryfast who was a griiter driver and did a night trunk in a 2800 Daf, Caledoniandream who was on tankers and Harry Monk, who pulls other people’s curtainsiders around, think that flat trailers are a thing of the past :open_mouth:

Well that settles it then :laughing:

ok so what trailer would you use to carry this?

I would use a flat, rope around the legs and throw a couple of straps over the top to keep the HSE boys happy :sunglasses:

Carryfast would turn up in a Bedford TM with a two stroke and a tilt, he’d strip it down to a flat and then go down the cafe in his wranglers and stetson and tell everyone else how silly they are for doing things the way they do them :unamused:

Caledoniandream wouldn’t bother turning up, it wouldn’t fit through the manlids on his tanker :open_mouth:

Harry Monk would be the last person you’d give a job like that too, he’d have that portakabin stripped down and nailed to the walls of his Magnum to replace the current Ikea cabinets he has :laughing:

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newmercman:
I wonder why on earth you would need a backload out of Cornwall anyway :open_mouth:

It is such an out of the way place, with little industry, barely enough to keep the local boys in a job, so surely you would charge the job back to Bristol at the least and ideally all the way back home :bulb:

why would i want to load back from cornwall ? er maybe because truro is in cornwall, why on earth would i want to run back too bristol etc if i could find a load from the devon or cornwall area that would no doubt pay a better rate,also even if the outbound load had paid an exceptional rate that allowed me to run home empty, i would still have looked for a returnload from the cornwall area, just for the record i actually did load him back from bristol albeit back to accrington, then from halifax to stockton

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newmercman:
Ok… So Carryfast who was a griiter driver and did a night trunk in a 2800 Daf, Caledoniandream who was on tankers and Harry Monk, who pulls other people’s curtainsiders around, think that flat trailers are a thing of the past :open_mouth:

Well that settles it then :laughing:

I think you’ve missed more than the ‘few’ miles I ever did driving gritters spent on a 7.5 tonner dropside hauling truck components before getting my HGV licences and a flat multi lift hauling plant on the council and that stripped tilt hauling building materials and paper reels etc . :smiling_imp: :wink: :laughing:

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markwill:

newmercman:
I wonder why on earth you would need a backload out of Cornwall anyway :open_mouth:

It is such an out of the way place, with little industry, barely enough to keep the local boys in a job, so surely you would charge the job back to Bristol at the least and ideally all the way back home :bulb:

why would i want to load back from cornwall ? er maybe because truro is in cornwall, why on earth would i want to run back too bristol etc if i could find a load from the devon or cornwall area that would no doubt pay a better rate,also even if the outbound load had paid an exceptional rate that allowed me to run home empty, i would still have looked for a returnload from the cornwall area, just for the record i actually did load him back from bristol albeit back to accrington, then from halifax to stockton

And 4 pages later we have the answer :open_mouth: :wink:

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newmercman:

philgor:

newmercman:
Ok… So Carryfast who was a griiter driver and did a night trunk in a 2800 Daf, Caledoniandream who was on tankers and Harry Monk, who pulls other people’s curtainsiders around, think that flat trailers are a thing of the past :open_mouth:

Well that settles it then :laughing:

ok so what trailer would you use to carry this?

I would use a flat, rope around the legs and throw a couple of straps over the top to keep the HSE boys happy :sunglasses:

Carryfast would turn up in a Bedford TM with an 8V92 Detroit in it and a flat,that he’d stripped down,with a bit of help, from a tilt in the yard,the evening before,tie it down,and get the job done in no time.Then go down the cafe in his wranglers and stetson and tell everyone else how silly they are for doing things the way they do them.Because after doing that job and getting a return load from Bristol,and after putting the trailer back together in the yard,he’s using the same trailer as a curtain sider the rest of the week,for multi collection and drop general haulage work that just involves side/rear loading,that ( would have ) needed sheeting.Followed by some more flat work the following Monday.

Fixed that. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :wink:

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markwill:

newmercman:
I wonder why on earth you would need a backload out of Cornwall anyway :open_mouth:

It is such an out of the way place, with little industry, barely enough to keep the local boys in a job, so surely you would charge the job back to Bristol at the least and ideally all the way back home :bulb:

why would i want to load back from cornwall ? er maybe because truro is in cornwall, why on earth would i want to run back too bristol etc if i could find a load from the devon or cornwall area that would no doubt pay a better rate,also even if the outbound load had paid an exceptional rate that allowed me to run home empty, i would still have looked for a returnload from the cornwall area, just for the record i actually did load him back from bristol albeit back to accrington, then from halifax to stockton

So do you want to carry this on :question: You’re going to get into this and from your response it seems that we actually agree :open_mouth:

Don’t try and make me look foolish with geographical references, if you read my earlier post you will be left in no doubt that I know where Truro is, as I mentioned Cornwall when you said Truro :bulb:

Why would you want to run back to Bristol :question: Because it has docks and far more industry than Cornwall, so the chance of finding a load would increase dramatically, not only that, anyone with a load in Cornwall would be well aware that such a thing is very rare, so they could name their price, rather than you naming yours :open_mouth: You could find that a load out of Bristol would pay the same or even more and you’ve done a lot less loaded miles too, which would lower your cost and increase your profit :bulb:

You are correct, it doesn’t matter how you chraged the outbound load, ten pound a mile and a cuddly toy, if you could load back at a decent rate it would make sense, which brings us around to my original question, why would you be looking for a load out of Cornwall :question:

We’ve already reached the conclusion that work is thin on the ground down there, because of that rates are low :open_mouth:

At least your practice is better than your theory though, a load out of Bristol to Accrington, then Halifax to Stockton makes a lot more sense than asking a bunch of know all sarcastic lorry drivers on the internet for a rare as rocking horse ■■■ load out of Cornwall that pays peanuts :laughing:

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kr79:
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:open_mouth: :smiling_imp: :smiley: :wink:

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Carryfast, I had just the thing for you once a Fruehauf Psk with a tiltech body, I had it engineered so the rear doors could be lifted off & their frame with a forktruck, 8 bolts to undo & hey presto a flat/psk, theres pictures of it on here somewhere with Intersped written on it…

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Shame you never had a Bedford tm to pull it too lol