Sploom:
People are going to get bored if I keep putting the question up !
It never usually bothers you about people getting bored when your quoting ■■■■ Bible passages willy nilly to everybody… 
retracted/Deleted … Holy arguments lead to WARs… and we have enough in the world already
TonkaBoy:
retracted/Deleted … Holy arguments lead to WARs… and we have enough in the world already
2 posts retracted/deleted ?
Speak yer mind mate nobody gets offended on here…well maybe a couple. 
Do you want me to paste the question a fourth time?lol
Sploom:
Do you want me to paste the question a fourth time?lol
Oh ffs! 
Ok …get it spluttered out and put us all out of our misery.
(Off to bed shortly btw so don’t be sat glued to the screen all night in eager anticipation.)
My question is about ,what you call normal Christians.
Are they still required to follow the teachings of Christ in the Bible or can they just live theit lives just the same as atheists?
Simple question really…You mentioned these people several times,so you must know the answer.I know ,as a man of integrity,that you wouldnt talk about something unless you knew what you were talking about so how about we get this thing wrapped up once and for all!!!
Sploom:
My question is about ,what you call normal Christians.
Are they still required to follow the teachings of Christ in the Bible or can they just live theit lives just the same as atheists?
They can try following the teachings, but be like IKEA instruction manuals without any pictures…
And in relation to your main question, it’s a bit like asking if a baker should follow a recipe. Of course, they should!
But as with any recipe, some steps may be more important than others, and some ingredients may be substituted or left out entirely.
Likewise, Christias are encouraged to follow the teachings of Jesus in the Bible,
but there is room for interpretation and personal beliefs.
The key is to approach the text with an open mind, a critical eye, and a willingness to learn and grow,
similar to the Codex Gigas… as Im sure one day I’ll get it right and then the plot twist to life, 
and the Pope will appear … 
I mean come on… surely youve realized … by now… hiss hiss, I mean hint hint, look at his temple… i mean vatican…
TonkaBoy:
If we evolved from apes, why are their Still apes ?
For the same reason that there is more than one type of, for example, big cat (lions, tigers leopards etc) or dog family (wolves, jackels, coyote) or whale family (Blue, Fin, Sperm, Southern Right). Just because the lion evolved did not mean there was no evolutionary niche for the leopard to occupy.
TonkaBoy:
Yet no neanderthals…
Neanderthals didn’t entirely go extinct: we all carry neandethal DNA, which means some of our Homo sapien ancestors got jiggy with the competition. Obviously we must have already invented ale or beer by that point if the male Homo sapien was doing the jigging But, Neanderthals were essentially out-competed by us Homo sapiens and did not fare well when the climate changed.
They were specialists, hunting large, ice age animals, we Homo sapiens are generalists. Generalists can live in a wider range of habitats and eat a wider range of food - rats, seagulls and pigeons are all excellent examples of other generalist animals
As a comparison if we did not actively try to stop the process, the generalist grey squirrel (invasive species, bloody Yanks!) would out-compete our specialist & native red squirrel.
Sploom:
My question is about ,what you call normal Christians.
Sorry but that’s an oxymoron, like Military Intelligence
Religion: a particular system of faith and worship.
Faith: strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
You cant use [u]logic and proof[/u] to discuss a position that *wasnt reached through* logic and proof.
Zac_A:
TonkaBoy:
If we evolved from apes, why are their Still apes ?For the same reason that there is more than one type of, for example, big cat (lions, tigers leopards etc) or dog family (wolves, jackels, coyote) or whale family (Blue, Fin, Sperm, Southern Right). Just because the lion evolved did not mean there was no evolutionary niche for the leopard to occupy.
TonkaBoy:
Yet no neanderthals…Neanderthals didn’t entirely go extinct: we all carry neandethal DNA, which means some of our Homo sapien ancestors got jiggy with the competition. Obviously we must have already invented ale or beer by that point if the male Homo sapien was doing the jigging
They were specialists, hunting large, ice age animals, we Homo sapiens are generalists. Generalists can live in a wider range of habitats and eat a wider range of food - rats, seagulls and pigeons are all excellent examples of other generalist animals
As a comparison if we did not actively try to stop the process, the generalist grey squirrel (invasive species, bloody Yanks!) would out-compete our specialist & native red squirrel.
Thanks, thats answerwed my questions, was about to go down Robroys yard and look through the fence, as he said two are still alive and kicking there … even packed some lunch to make an aternoon of it… obviously lied to me 
TonkaBoy:
Sploom:
My question is about ,what you call normal Christians.
Are they still required to follow the teachings of Christ in the Bible or can they just live theit lives just the same as atheists?They can try following the teachings, but be like IKEA instruction manuals without any pictures…
And in relation to your main question, it’s a bit like asking if a baker should follow a recipe. Of course, they should!
But as with any recipe, some steps may be more important than others, and some ingredients may be substituted or left out entirely.
Likewise, Christias are encouraged to follow the teachings of Jesus in the Bible,
but there is room for interpretation and personal beliefs.
The key is to approach the text with an open mind, a critical eye, and a willingness to learn and grow, :
That just about covers it,.although it’s a bloody stupid question…how tf can they live their lives just the same as atheists, when they believe in a non existent supernatural being…that is the whole difference between the religious and the non religious ffs .
In the 1600s when we were burning witches and the general public feared their fire and brimstone type preachers who put them in fear of eternal damnation if they did not toe the line, …then living like our Mr Sploom would be classed as normal.
What I was taught as kid was The Bible was a guide to being a good person,. rather than a literal instruction kind of 'Haines Manual ’ type jobby…, a guide that is/was, interpreted rather than taken literal…maybe apart from the 10 commandments speaking generally.
To put it in an analogy to what you were on about a recipe book, if you found a cook book that was over 2000 years old telling you how to make bread, you would adapt it to modern times,.you would not be using clay fired ovens and age old techniques…and this is how most modern Christian people live their lives, interpret and adapt…and are generally good people…aka normal human beings. 
It does not make them '‘2nd Class Christians’ compared to the fanatical nut jobs, who take everything absolutely literal, consequently leading a miserable repressed life, going against most things that are pertaining to human nature,…■■■ before marriage springs to mind,.and the homosexuality chestnut.
Anyway why tf are you asking me this question when I’ve made my position on all this crystal…or am I being somehow groomed here,.a victim of the evil techniques to win me over to all this crap.
So a normal Christian then,follows Jesus,but can adjust the rules according to the prevailing morality of the age in which they live.
Jesus says in the book of Mathew that just looking at a woman with ■■■■ will get you thrown into hell,but it will be alright in 2000 years,you can shag the ■■■ of her,who are they kidding?
God gave us the gift of ■■■ between a married man and woman.He has provided an outlet for the physical urges.
I dont call them 2nd class Christians,I think lukewarm Christian is the correct word.
biblegateway.com/passage/?s … ersion=NIV
In the book of revelations,Jesus spoke about these types of people
Here ,I think Jesus is talking about the very same issue here.You cant follow the ongoing morality of the world and follow Jesus too.And this is what the lukewarm Christian tries to do.
In Christian circles ,these types of people are more annoying than the atheists.At least with the atheist,he isnt trying to decieve himself.
I used to be a lukewarm Christian,so its an issue close to me,so to speak
I remember ,when I was on supermarket deliveries,the guy on the forklift,I evangelised to him and he was really intrested and I gave him some leaflets and web links and so on.He told me Id hit the nail on the head with everything.
I went back to the same store a couple of months later,I overheard him talking to his friend about a trip to Amsterdam he had been on and what a great time he had with his mates,I let you fill the blank there.I immediatly realised he wanted the good things that Christianity offeres but he couldnt give up the sin and fleeting pleasures this world offers
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In the case of the defendant The Right Reverend Sploom,.and the charges brought against him of …
‘Behaving on a public forum like an utterly and totally Brainwashed religious nut job’
and
‘‘Purveyor of totally unadulterated Bull ■■■■’’.
The Prosecution now rests it’s case M’ lud.
No further questions.
However if he is found guilty I ask you to spare him the rope, as he has already provided enough in abundance to hang …himself…
By the way mate…you say ‘Athiests annoy people like youreself’, can I just tell you that hearing that has made my day/week/:life.
My work here is done.
Haha,at least you finally answered my question on the fourth attempt.I’d all but given up!
Zac_A:
Sploom:
Yes,very trueNo, he’s got it backwards:
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius
Not quite true.If you end up meeting a good God,he is duty bound to punish you for any offences.
You dont have any?
Have you ever lied?
Or have you ever told the truth?
Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord,it says in the book of deutronomy
Tonkaboy.Religion can lead to wars because true Christianity is an offensive belief because ,in trying to help someone save their soul,you have to point out that they are a sinner and unacceptable to be in the presence of a holy God.I hear some professing Christians say that God hates the sin but loves the sinner.I disagree.I think God hates the sin AND the sinner.The account of the flood is proof enough to me when God drowned everyone.You wouldnt drown someone you loved would you?
God despises the souls in hell but only so much as divine justive demands.
I hope at least one person who reads this forum will be saved through belief in Jesus Christ as saviour and only path to Heaven