ROG:
tachograph:
Legally you cannot take a regular weekly rest period in the cab whilst away from base, however as far as I’m aware no authority has ever enforced this either here or in any other country that the EU regulations apply to.You sound like me on the subject of the RTD !!
tachograph:
ROG:
tachograph:
Legally you cannot take a regular weekly rest period in the cab whilst away from base, however as far as I’m aware no authority has ever enforced this either here or in any other country that the EU regulations apply to.You sound like me on the subject of the RTD !!
When I mention that the RTD is a law not checked upon by any authority so to ignore it is very ulikely to cause any legal issue then I get berated !!
A friend of mine spends at least two months away from home normally three, all spent in the lorry, been doing it donkey’s years, boring yes, but as yet no problem. as he say’s “the least of his worries”.
Ossie
ROG:
tachograph:
ROG:
tachograph:
Legally you cannot take a regular weekly rest period in the cab whilst away from base, however as far as I’m aware no authority has ever enforced this either here or in any other country that the EU regulations apply to.You sound like me on the subject of the RTD !!
When I mention that the RTD is a law not checked upon by any authority so to ignore it is very ulikely to cause any legal issue then I get berated !!
How many companies penalise people for taking weekly rest periods in vehicles whilst away from base ?
How many companies penalise people for not complying with the working time regulations ?
tachograph:
ROG:
tachograph:
ROG:
tachograph:
Legally you cannot take a regular weekly rest period in the cab whilst away from base, however as far as I’m aware no authority has ever enforced this either here or in any other country that the EU regulations apply to.You sound like me on the subject of the RTD !!
When I mention that the RTD is a law not checked upon by any authority so to ignore it is very ulikely to cause any legal issue then I get berated !!
How many companies penalise people for taking weekly rest periods in vehicles whilst away from base ?
How many companies penalise people for not complying with the working time regulations ?
thats companies - I always mention authorities
In answer to the OP I’m sure you would still get away with it 
Assuming some low life scum sucking pond life doesn’t grass you up after seeing it on the internet 
ROG:
tachograph:
ROG:
tachograph:
ROG:
tachograph:
Legally you cannot take a regular weekly rest period in the cab whilst away from base, however as far as I’m aware no authority has ever enforced this either here or in any other country that the EU regulations apply to.You sound like me on the subject of the RTD !!
When I mention that the RTD is a law not checked upon by any authority so to ignore it is very ulikely to cause any legal issue then I get berated !!
How many companies penalise people for taking weekly rest periods in vehicles whilst away from base ?
How many companies penalise people for not complying with the working time regulations ?
thats companies - I always mention authorities
You also tell people to ignore the working time regulations as you’ve posted above.
Apart from you finding an excuse to ■■■■■ about being pulled up over spreading misinformation that’s likely to get people into trouble what the [zb] does this have to do with the topic in this thread 
As you seem to have too much spare time on your hands why don’t you reply to this thread
tachograph:
As you seem to have too much spare time on your hands why don’t you reply to this thread
Have you read my post on that thread? - what does it say?
well to continue the debate tonight, it was bugging me most of the day so i rang vosa to ask the question!!! “is there any legislation to stop a driver taking a 45hr break while away from base” and answer from them was NO, the only thing they said so long as he/she can freely dispose of his time, so i answered that with “so he could walk to the pub or sleep all weekend either of would be fine then” answer was not a problem, that’s the drivers choice, as long as he is doing nothing work related he can have his 45 where he likes, now if that’s the advice from vosa’s help line where do we stand. i can find nowhere where anyone has been prosecuted for taking a 45 away from base, could this be because it can’t be prosecuted as it’s not illegal i will leave that thought with you lot,
i will be ringing our local traffic enforcement office in the morning as when i rang this afternoon non of the T.E’S where there and was told the best time to catch them was first thing in the morning, i will let you know the outcome of that call tomorrow 
wildfire:
well to continue the debate tonight, it was bugging me most of the day so i rang vosa to ask the question!!! “is there any legislation to stop a driver taking a 45hr break while away from base” and answer from them was NO, the only thing they said so long as he/she can freely dispose of his time, so i answered that with “so he could walk to the pub or sleep all weekend either of would be fine then” answer was not a problem, that’s the drivers choice, as long as he is doing nothing work related he can have his 45 where he likes, now if that’s the advice from vosa’s help line where do we stand. i can find nowhere where anyone has been prosecuted for taking a 45 away from base, could this be because it can’t be prosecuted as it’s not illegal i will leave that thought with you lot,i will be ringing our local traffic enforcement office in the morning as when i rang this afternoon non of the T.E’S where there and was told the best time to catch them was first thing in the morning, i will let you know the outcome of that call tomorrow
Thats great - thank you - but could you be done for being in charge of a vehicle if you have had a few over the eight, and were sleeping in your cab - even if your tacho is on rest ?
Jenson Button:
wildfire:
well to continue the debate tonight, it was bugging me most of the day so i rang vosa to ask the question!!! “is there any legislation to stop a driver taking a 45hr break while away from base” and answer from them was NO, the only thing they said so long as he/she can freely dispose of his time, so i answered that with “so he could walk to the pub or sleep all weekend either of would be fine then” answer was not a problem, that’s the drivers choice, as long as he is doing nothing work related he can have his 45 where he likes, now if that’s the advice from vosa’s help line where do we stand. i can find nowhere where anyone has been prosecuted for taking a 45 away from base, could this be because it can’t be prosecuted as it’s not illegal i will leave that thought with you lot,i will be ringing our local traffic enforcement office in the morning as when i rang this afternoon non of the T.E’S where there and was told the best time to catch them was first thing in the morning, i will let you know the outcome of that call tomorrow
Thats great - thank you - but could you be done for being in charge of a vehicle if you have had a few over the eight, and were sleeping in your cab - even if your tacho is on rest ?
yes you could be done same as any car driver, i don’t drink but still go to the pub have a meal and a soft drink
Jenson Button:
Thats great - thank you - but could you be done for being in charge of a vehicle if you have had a few over the eight, and were sleeping in your cab - even if your tacho is on rest ?
Been discussed at length on here before and generally the answer is “No”. The Police would have to prove that you had intention to drive, which, if you were out of legal driving/duty hours, or were parked outside the premises you were delivering to in the morning, would be impossible.
wildfire:
well to continue the debate tonight, it was bugging me most of the day so i rang vosa to ask the question!!! “is there any legislation to stop a driver taking a 45hr break while away from base” and answer from them was NO
You asked the wrong question !!
You should have asked …
Is there any legislation to stop a driver taking a full weekly rest in their vehicle?
Of course you can take a 45 hour rest away from base, you can take 145 hours if you want, it just doesn’t count as a full weekly rest, but a reduced rest. The exact wording of Article 8.8 has been produced here and it is totally unambiguous, full and reduced daily rests and reduced weekly rests can be taken in a vehicle.
thausands internation drivers taked weekly rest in cab,not just Polish 
.i know 2 English man who work internationaly and drive@live in lorry2 month,after 2-3 week at home.
examply.drivers drive,drive.stop lorry press tachograph to rest.,stay in cab.not one rules direct does not prohibit stay in cab if you want.If VOSA come drivers can said i just back check lorry,or…and in my weekly rest i can do what i want,just can t work for money in any another job.i can sleep under trees,i can sleep at bus station or in 5 star hotel.
here same situation if you follow rules must taked just reduced rest in cab and if follow rules you must use POA if you know how long it is will be.but drivers use POA any corney,any possible situation.and VOSA CAN T CHECK both this situation.because i can answer who my POA will be 1 or… hours,some body said me.and if drivers stay for 45 hours in cab and VOSA found drivers in cab,i can answer …and if drivers taked weekly rest in cab and start driver again ,stop VOSA,THEY DONT KNOW where i was in my rest
Harry Monk:
Of course you can take a 45 hour rest away from base, you can take 145 hours if you want, it just doesn’t count as a full weekly rest, but a reduced rest. The exact wording of Article 8.8 has been produced here and it is totally unambiguous, full and reduced daily rests and reduced weekly rests can be taken in a vehicle.
I like this answer. “yes I had 50 hours off in my cab - but I only counted 44h 59m of them as my rest, the other 5h 1m were spare”. But of course if you needed a 45 this wouldn’t work
And seeing as a daily rest period and a reduced weekly rest period may constitute more than a 45 hour weekly rest, both of which are specifically permitted. Where’s the problem? Thats a question for you guys who reckon you can’t take 45 in the cab .
Mike-C:
And seeing as a daily rest period and a reduced weekly rest period may constitute more than a 45 hour weekly rest, both of which are specifically permitted. Where’s the problem? Thats a question for you guys who reckon you can’t take 45 in the cab .
Like I said, where’s Coffeeholic when you need him?
Mike-C:
And seeing as a daily rest period and a reduced weekly rest period may constitute more than a 45 hour weekly rest, both of which are specifically permitted. Where’s the problem? Thats a question for you guys who reckon you can’t take 45 in the cab .
Nope, a regular weekly rest period “means any period of rest of at least 45 hours,”.
A daily rest period that was extended to 45 hours or more would be a regular weekly rest period.
Harry Monk:
Mike-C:
And seeing as a daily rest period and a reduced weekly rest period may constitute more than a 45 hour weekly rest, both of which are specifically permitted. Where’s the problem? Thats a question for you guys who reckon you can’t take 45 in the cab .Like I said, where’s Coffeeholic when you need him?
You better learn to start thinking for yourself unless you have direct access to him if you’re every queried over it !!!
VOSA…right Mike-c we’re doing you because you had 45 hours weekly rest in your cab.
MIke-c…thats right , it was made up of a 12 hour daily rest and a reduced weekly rest of 44 hours.
VOSA… ah you reduced last week, you got to have a regular one this week not a reduced one.
Mike-c…thats right, a daily rest can atatch to make a weekly rest. So there ya go. I’m cool. Its all in the wording officer. I’ve never nissed a beat.
VOSA…ok Mike, away you go. Just make sure you always have one of them daily rests before you have your weekly rest and you should be fine. If you do ■■■■ up, there’s always the option to make your weekly rest a back to back rest counting for all sort of mad weeks ahead and stuff.
Mike-c…cheers bro, i’ll keep that in mind. See ya.
edit to add, lucky i only met VOSA, i hadn’t banked on what Tachograph said. Be back when i checked !!
