Juddian:
.Enjoy the warmth, and if you can come up with a way of harnessing that life giving warmth from our sun you might find winters a lot more bearable and affordable than the WEF and it’s disciples have planned, for you.
We have a hose lying across the lawn to water the plants each day. The water coming out of it when it’s been in the sun is too hot to keep your hand under it! Wish I could rig something up for free hot water in the house instead of heating it by gas [emoji849]
Carryfast:
robroy:
whisperingsmith:
Best off ask for advice on the Old Timers Middle east Forum
Cab temperatures often at 57/60c + and no air conditioning.An old ex ME driver I know once showed me some pics.
He had an old split windscreen Atkinson Borderer, the doors on that model were stopped at the hinge with a short leather belt to prevent them from going right around towards the front of the cab.
He’d took the belts off and strapped the doors fully open running flush with the side of the cab to get a ‘through draft’.
Obviously the cab was full of sand but he wasn’t bothered…he said he had a good brush.
The days when truckers were real men.I remember using a DAF 3300 that was a ME motor, whilst mine was broken down, on a UK run.hired from a mate who ran them at the time.
It had the air con unit on the roof, one of the first ones I reckon.
I was driving down the M6 bored with life, thinking '‘What is that switch for ‘’’ (all night aircon)
Pressed it and got myself covered and the whole cab interior covered in cream coloured powdery sand that was left over in the (faulty) system.
I think that the idea of running to the Middle East, at least in Summer, without air con fits the definition believe half what you hear.
There were some totally believable specific references to the temperatures involved in the book Cola Cowboys.It went along the lines of leaving an air conditioned cab in daytime such as to fix a blown tyre/tyres could be lethal.On that note temperature in Saudi now is 34C at midnight and 39C at 10am.
But do know that Italy in July can get close enough.
Opening the windows as a substitute for air con during the day there is similar to having the heater on during a warm Summer day here the air itself coming through the windows is literally hot.Even at night it’s more than warm enough.
Also remember the soles of my shoes sticking to the hot deck of the Messina Ferry in late May.
Climate change nah.
Ok CF cheers for that, I’ll tell the old lad he’s talking ■■■■■■■■ then, it never happened,.I’m sure he’ll appreciate it. 
Btw I’ve read Coca Cola cowboys, in fact I used to know one of the guys in it…Gavin Waugh, believe it or not, and I speak the gospel here…the DAF I mentioned…he used to drive it in 83 for Transmed Freight Carlisle owned by my mate shock: , well after that book was published. (Small world eh)
Never see him for decades, lost touch, but if I happen to, I’ll also tell him I’ve been briefed by an expert on this, (you) ask him a few questions and try and catch him out. 
Anybody?
robroy:
Ok CF cheers for that, I’ll tell the old lad he’s talking ■■■■■■■■ then, it never happened,.I’m sure he’ll appreciate it.
Btw I’ve read Coca Cola cowboys, in fact I used to know one of the guys in it…Gavin Waugh, believe it or not, and I speak the gospel here…the DAF I mentioned…he used to drive it in 83 for Transmed Freight Carlisle owned by my mate shock: , well after that book was published. (Small world eh)
Never see him for decades, lost touch, but if I happen to, I’ll also tell him I’ve been briefed by an expert on this, (you) ask him a few questions and try and catch him out.Anybody?
To be fair I was specifically referring to year round Summer operations which I guess is what was being referred to in Cola Cowboys.I’ve got no doubt that anyone could have driven an AEC Matador let alone an Atki on ME work during the winter etc if anyone was daft enough to want to put one on the job.
As I said a tilt and an air con unit on the roof was a fair indication that it was running on Middle East work.
But my point was actually calling max temp of high 30s even 40C ‘dangerous’ is clearly politically motivated bollox.Not the fact that totally unsuitable heaps of junk did sometimes get driven on ME work obviously outside of the hot season there.Unless you’re saying that Cola Cowboys was total bollox too.
the nodding donkey:
robroy:
the nodding donkey:
Find out if they will let you run the engine while you’re parked up, to run the aircon.What’s all this ''If they let you ■■■■■■■■ ND?
That’s up there with asking them if it’s ok to use night heater in case you use too much diesel …×××snip××.
I’d have thought that to a man of your caliber, the sarcasm would have been so obvious, as not to require a sarcasm emoticon…
You over estimate my intelligence. ND mate 
dozy:
the maoster:
We actually had a driver phone the TM today and say “my wife has said that it’s too hot to come to work on Monday so I’ll need to take the day off!” The TM in a rare display of spine responded with “crack on, I’ll log it as an unauthorised absence and initiate a disciplinary action”.You were in the t/o discussing another drivers behaviour with the enemy , did I not dodge a bullet not taking a job at your place , sounds like a workforce of back stabbers ,
I’d be hoping the lad had a nice break , I guess you & your mates would see him being sacked a result ,
How the jobs changed , we used to stick together not stab our work mates at every opertunity
I’m gobsmacked to be honest moaster, didn’t expect this kid of behaviour out of you
Aye I’m gobsmacked as well Maoster…what ya like eh? You and dozy missed a trick him not getting a job at your place, you could have been bosom buddies,.and had some kind of Bro Mance going on between you., …what could have been.
Missed opportunities eh mate?
What is different from 1976 is that electric power is soooo expensive now, that few public venues can afford to have on their aircon.
Airports are already telling the public in the main halls to sweat it out…
Working?
If your aircon in your tractor doesn’t work - I’d consider taking the ■■■■ thing off the road until it’s fixed!
“Trampers don’t do that” - becomes the main reason why drivers despise “overnighting” so much then, doesn’t it?
Another difference from 1976 is the aboslute dearth of insects, unlike back then when we had Greenfly, then Ladybirds feeding off the greenfly, then Wasps when the ladybirds were blanketing our open waters (fountains, lidos, everything) leaving the field open to the yellowjacket pests in due course…
Have not seen any honeybees for weeks around here…
I guess this will have a knock-on effect for the forthcoming crop harvests, that’ll no doubt be blamed on Putin, because that’s what western governments do, rather than tell the truth that the pursuance of green is what is really doing this, get voted out, and accept that result without cheating to hold onto all your seats…
AIRCON then.
Many will die because they cannot simply wear two coats like one can when one cannot afford to have the heating on in Winter time.
“Opening the Windows” makes life even worse, if you’re not careful.
My suggestion to families at home is have the windows open during the cool of the night to let out the hot air from the previous day, then close them around 9am, before the outside temperature exceeds normal room temperature of 20c
What is different this time around is that the Summer of 1976 was preceded by an extraordinarily dry Winter and Spring. The hot spell, when it came, continued for several weeks and, although peak temperatures were a few degrees cooler than what we’re being warned to expect this time, there was a period of almost a week when daytime temperatures exceeded 32 Celsius every day.
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> Carryfast:
> On that note temperature in Saudi now is 34C at midnight and 39C at 10am. Climate change nah.
And whereabouts in Saudi are you quoting Temperatures from CF ■■
You’re obviously not much use with Google maps, as you would have known Saudi is a vast country where the temperature can be 10 or more degrees different between regions.
I once took a part load, 10tons of Anti-Freeze to Jeddah for use at the military radar stations in the mountains.
Roymondo:
What is different this time around is that the Summer of 1976 was preceded by an extraordinarily dry Winter and Spring. The hot spell, when it came, continued for several weeks and, although peak temperatures were a few degrees cooler than what we’re being warned to expect this time, there was a period of almost a week when daytime temperatures exceeded 32 Celsius every day.
It’s no coincidence that the Summers of 1975 and 76 and the Winter of 81/2 are the ones I’ve always remembered.The Summer of 75 had depleted water supplies even before 76.
I’ve experienced considerably warmer and/or humid temperatures than that during numerous trips in Southern Europe and around the US in mid Summer often 40+C.The humidity combined with the heat of the US eastern states running South from NY to Florida wouldn’t be fun without air con.Or the blazing heat of Utah, Arizona and Nevada in late June early July.
Also many examples of high 30’s low 40’s in Italy and Spain and Balkans without the luxury of air con.
But at no time were those temperatures ever described as ‘dangerous’.
As opposed to the description in Cola Cowboys regarding Middle East type Summer temperatures which I believe.It also probably explains the local dress code.
The government is taking the ■■■■ probably as part of the climate scam.
whisperingsmith:
> Carryfast:
> On that note temperature in Saudi now is 34C at midnight and 39C at 10am. Climate change nah.And whereabouts in Saudi are you quoting Temperatures from CF ■■
You’re obviously not much use with Google maps, as you would have known Saudi is a vast country where the temperature can be 10 or more degrees different between regions.I once took a part load, 10tons of Anti-Freeze to Jeddah for use at the military radar stations in the mountains.
Temperatures for Doha and Iraq tomorrow are a similar 34C night time low and well over 40’s highs.
It’s going to be a hot run to Doha with that Atki even with the doors folded open or the open windscreen of the Matador.Unless you know of a high mountain route all the way from Turkey to Doha.
Although I can remember driving and queuing in 42C with no air con even as far North as Le Man’s but no red warnings anywhere about it supposedly being dangerous or don’t travel etc etc.
Rehydration is the key.
Rattlers will do ok but not too hot here
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andy187:
Rehydration is the key.
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That’s cold, it’s min winter here, was 22c in Sydney!!!
Carryfast:
whisperingsmith:
> Carryfast:
> On that note temperature in Saudi now is 34C at midnight and 39C at 10am. Climate change nah.And whereabouts in Saudi are you quoting Temperatures from CF ■■
You’re obviously not much use with Google maps, as you would have known Saudi is a vast country where the temperature can be 10 or more degrees different between regions.I once took a part load, 10tons of Anti-Freeze to Jeddah for use at the military radar stations in the mountains.
Temperatures for Doha and Iraq tomorrow are a similar 34C night time low and well over 40’s highs.
It’s going to be a hot run to Doha with that Atki even with the doors folded open or the open windscreen of the Matador.Unless you know of a high mountain route all the way from Turkey to Doha.
Although I can remember driving and queuing in 42C with no air con even as far North as Le Man’s but no red warnings anywhere about it supposedly being dangerous or don’t travel etc etc.
Peak Carryfast, rewriting history to fit his own opinions. Was gonna say you couldn’t make it up but he does, repeatedly 
I’ve got the job sussed, gonna dig out my mankini for work next week,.that should get the air round the right areas,.and it’s the right colour for hi viz…sorted.
If you see me come and say Hello.
discoman:
andy187:
Rehydration is the key.
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That’s cold, it’s min winter here, was 22c in Sydney!!!
Sydney had a higher max than my bit of Queensland. 
The SW US has these temps every year lasting from May to Sept, admittedly there are a few fluctuations but it is not rare to experience 105 F for weeks at a time. It gets so hot that Phoenix International closes because the runways melts as do a few roads.
As to the comment of 1976, I agree and will add that it was normal in those days to have a 3 or 4 day week !
Also regarding running the engine when stopped, In Germany and Austria it is illegal, as soon as you stop to park up load or unload Etc you have to turn the engine off. Fines are expensive because its related to pollution, and was originally made law because of the heavy Fog’s in the 60s/70’s.
I am sure there will be a 
complaining and reporting the fact. But hey no problem right ? You don’t have an annual emissions check so pollute away! And the excessive fuel consumption and wear and tear on the Truck Engine is no problem because someone else pays the bills right !!!
I will try and find it, there is a way you can Solar Panel your truck and run an Auxiliary AC. But again expense is the issue and how often would you use it to make it cost effective ?
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
whisperingsmith:
> Carryfast:
> On that note temperature in Saudi now is 34C at midnight and 39C at 10am. Climate change nah.And whereabouts in Saudi are you quoting Temperatures from CF ■■
You’re obviously not much use with Google maps, as you would have known Saudi is a vast country where the temperature can be 10 or more degrees different between regions.I once took a part load, 10tons of Anti-Freeze to Jeddah for use at the military radar stations in the mountains.
Temperatures for Doha and Iraq tomorrow are a similar 34C night time low and well over 40’s highs.
It’s going to be a hot run to Doha with that Atki even with the doors folded open or the open windscreen of the Matador.Unless you know of a high mountain route all the way from Turkey to Doha.
Although I can remember driving and queuing in 42C with no air con even as far North as Le Man’s but no red warnings anywhere about it supposedly being dangerous or don’t travel etc etc.Peak Carryfast, rewriting history to fit his own opinions. Was gonna say you couldn’t make it up but he does, repeatedly
Which bit have I supposedly ‘made up’.
> Carryfast:
> Which bit have I supposedly ‘made up’.
Which bit do you actually know about from experience ■■
And which part have you copied from google search ■■
Or have you just made it all up??
The Jury is not inclined to believe you
whisperingsmith:
> Carryfast:
> Which bit have I supposedly ‘made up’.Which bit do you actually know about from experience ■■
And which part have you copied from google search ■■
Or have you just made it all up??
The Jury is not inclined to believe you
Not believe what exactly.I told you the bit I’ve personally experienced around 40C temperatures in Europe and US ( which no one said was dangerous ) and the description of Summer temperatures in the Middle East.
Which according to the author of Cola Cowboys, obviously before Google existed, definitely were.
That’s all I know about it.I guess that closer to 50C and 30+ night time lows is where it gets serious and doubt if anyone drove anything without air con from Turkey to Saudi etc in mid Summer.As for a serious breakdown in that weather who knows but I guess the word dangerous in that case goes without saying.
I do know personally that the US car rental firms won’t allow their cars to be taken into Death Valley specifically on the grounds of it being ‘too dangerous’ and like Cola Cowboys I believe it.
Talking about Middle East trucking experience,.I’m a bit like Frank…‘‘Regrets I’ve had a few, but then again too few to mention’’
One of my regrets is I had a chance to do a Middle East run to Baghdad in 85 ish, my own truck (owner driver) was off the road, the guy I pulled trailers for who also did ME runs was short of a driver for one trip, and asked me to do it as a favour…well paid btw, which would have been easy for me as it meant just following one of the old hands in convoy…(no sat navs in those days btw)
I normally would have jumped at it but the wife was having our first baby, …her being her as supportive as ever told me to just go and do it, but I was reluctant to leave her.
Anyhoo to quote Frank again…‘‘That’s life’’.
God just think eh?..Id be (more ) insufferable on here these days boring the arses off you all with stories from ‘‘My Middle East days’’.