Now that the Scottish referendum is over why can’t we have one just for England and make it a double one A)We vote for our Independence and leave the U.K. and B)Vote to leave the EU.Thereby killing two birds with one stone 
Now where is the “Leatherhead Legend” to kick off proceedings and give us the benefit of his vast knowledge on every subject known to man ! 
Bewick. PS I would vote YES on both counts ! 
Bewick:
Now that the Scottish referendum is over why can’t we have one just for England and make it a double one A)We vote for our Independence and leave the U.K. and B)Vote to leave the EU.Thereby killing two birds with one stone
I’ll vote to throw out Scotland and Wales and Europe and Ireland ooh and the isle of white no offence just too many holidays there as a kid
nick2008:
Bewick:
Now that the Scottish referendum is over why can’t we have one just for England and make it a double one A)We vote for our Independence and leave the U.K. and B)Vote to leave the EU.Thereby killing two birds with one stoneI’ll vote to throw out Scotland and Wales and Europe and Ireland ooh and the isle of white no offence just too many holidays there as a kid
Now that is a good start but how about exiling “CF” on the I.O.W.for good measure ? Cheers Bewick.
Bewick we rely on you to keep this forum sane.
Count me as two votes - no make that three.
David
David Miller:
Bewick we rely on you to keep this forum sane.Count me as two votes - no make that three.
David
WELL THEN DAVID ALL I WOULD SAY IS “VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN”, every little helps as the old Lady said when she ■■■■■■ into the sea.Cheers Bewick.
I think we should get a border poll first but yes I agree you should get the choice
Bewick:
Now that the Scottish referendum is over why can’t we have one just for England and make it a double one A)We vote for our Independence and leave the U.K. and B)Vote to leave the EU.Thereby killing two birds with one stone
Blimey that sounds as nuts as Farage’s support of Gordon Brown and Cameron in the Scottish independence vote.
How the zb could you vote yes on both counts when you’ve been saying on countless posts that you support the idea of the UK and the Scottish NO to independence vote.
IE the best way to get what ( you’re now ) saying that you’d vote for ( would have been ) by supporting a Scottish yes vote together with calling for an English referendum for independence too.Which is what I’ve actually been saying on my countless posts on the subject and you’ve said that I’m talking bollox. 
Bewick:
David Miller:
Bewick we rely on you to keep this forum sane.Count me as two votes - no make that three.
David
WELL THEN DAVID ALL I WOULD SAY IS “VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN”, every little helps as the old Lady said when she ■■■■■■ into the sea.Cheers Bewick.
Robert
Oh, zb, Dennis, you’ve woken him up again!
Retired Old ■■■■:
Oh, zb, Dennis, you’ve woken him up again!
No wonder Alex Salmond resigned when he found out that ■■■■ from Leatherhead was on his team eh! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Retired Old ■■■■:
Oh, zb, Dennis, you’ve woken him up again!No wonder Alex Salmond resigned when he found out that [zb] from Leatherhead was on his team eh! Cheers Dennis.
Nothing to do with me.Although it might just be possible that he read all my posts and suddenly realised that he couldn’t be a nationalist calling for Scottish independence while also being a federalist in supporting EU membership.So he decided to call it a day and run for it instead of admitting the mistake to his supporters.
I see they’re all trotting out the usual bollox about needing to listen to what people really want in this country, and acting upon it. Must be an election on the way!
I think any party who guarantees a referendum on membership of the EU would leap ahead - I honestly don’t know how I’d vote in one, but would like to see an end to the constant carping amongst the major parties about ‘what the people want’
scaniason:
I see they’re all trotting out the usual bollox about needing to listen to what people really want in this country, and acting upon it. Must be an election on the way!I think any party who guarantees a referendum on membership of the EU would leap ahead - I honestly don’t know how I’d vote in one, but would like to see an end to the constant carping amongst the major parties about ‘what the people want’
Make no mistake it won’t be that easy.You can bet that any EU referendum will be subject to even more scare tactics and biased pro EU propaganda in the media than Gordon Brown could have dreamed of.While we’ve already seen the willingness of the English to fall for all the federalist bs in the case of the nationalist cause breaking up the UK let alone throwing a grenade into the EU.
Looks like they’ve got Milliband by the goolies by asking for the same treatment in England as they have agreed to give the Scots ! Which is spot on in my book,and if it means Labour losing 41 Scots MP’s tough why should they be able to vote on English matters when English MP’s can’t vote on Scottish ones ? Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
Looks like they’ve got Milliband by the goolies by asking for the same treatment in England as they have agreed to give the Scots ! Which is spot on in my book,and if it means Labour losing 41 Scots MP’s tough why should they be able to vote on English matters when English MP’s can’t vote on Scottish ones ? Cheers Bewick.
Just like Farage,assuming that you don’t want the Scottish and the English to be involved in a unionist/federalist government system,in which Scottish MP’s obviously share government powers with their English counterparts then,like Farage,why the zb did you support exactly that by supporting the idea of the ‘Union’ as opposed to independence.
IE there are no ‘English’ matters because you and those who followed your ideology supported the continuation of the ‘Union’ ( UK ) In which case there is no such thing as ‘English’ matters because there is no such thing as ‘England’ in terms of the right to govern itself.It’s obvious that Brown would prefer to allow the English to vote on Scottish matters than stop his voting on English ones.Especially considering that the Cons deservedly have no MP’s in Scotland anyway and aren’t likely to get many any time soon.
Make no mistake the hypocrisy of Farage and those who supported the continuation of the Union,as opposed to the breakup of that union,have probably doomed the idea,of now trying to backtrack on that,to failure.Because,contrary to your dreams of having Miliband by the sphericals,the fact is it’s him and his Scottish allies led by Gordon Brown and their Libdem allies who’ll be taking us even deeper into the federalist UK and EU mire after the rebel Conservatives and UKIP get wiped out at the election by the LabLibdem co alition helped by Cameron to do it.Which would probably be no less than the stupidity of the contradiction of a Unionist so called anti federalist ‘Independence’ Party deserves.
That is unless the English finally come to their senses in admitting that they’ve made an even bigger mistake,in following all the socialist Brownite federalist bs propaganda and in doing so keeping the Union together,than those Scottish No voters did in throwing the baby of independence out with the bathwater of Salmond. 
Carryfast:
Bewick:
Looks like they’ve got Milliband by the goolies by asking for the same treatment in England as they have agreed to give the Scots ! Which is spot on in my book,and if it means Labour losing 41 Scots MP’s tough why should they be able to vote on English matters when English MP’s can’t vote on Scottish ones ? Cheers Bewick.Just like Farage,assuming that you don’t want the Scottish and the English to be involved in a unionist/federalist government system,in which Scottish MP’s obviously share government powers with their English counterparts then,like Farage,why the zb did you support exactly that by supporting the idea of the ‘Union’ as opposed to independence.
IE there are no ‘English’ matters because you and those who followed your ideology supported the continuation of the ‘Union’ ( UK ) In which case there is no such thing as ‘English’ matters because there is no such thing as ‘England’ in terms of the right to govern itself.
Make no mistake the hypocrisy of Farage and those who supported the continuation of the Union,as opposed to the breakup of that union,have probably doomed the idea,of now trying to backtrack on that,to failure.Because,contrary to your dreams of having Miliband by the sphericals,the fact is it’s him and his Scottish allies led by Gordon Brown and their Libdem allies who’ll be taking us even deeper into the federalist UK and EU mire after the rebel Conservatives and UKIP get wiped out at the election by the LabLibdem co alition helped by Cameron to do it.
That is unless the English finally come to their senses in admitting that they’ve made an even bigger mistake,in following all the socialist Brownite federalist bs propaganda and in doing so keeping the Union together,than those Scottish No voters did in throwing the baby of independence out with the bathwater of Salmond.
Christ almighty you do go on a bit… Thought this supposed to be about lorries and their drivers??
Write a letter to the guardian paper instead.
Tubbysboy:
Carryfast:
That is unless the English finally come to their senses in admitting that they’ve made an even bigger mistake,in following all the socialist Brownite federalist bs propaganda and in doing so keeping the Union together,than those Scottish No voters did in throwing the baby of independence out with the bathwater of Salmond.Christ almighty you do go on a bit… Thought this supposed to be about lorries and their drivers??.
Not this topic.
Hope we ain’t got 20 pages of this to look forward to 
pete smith:
Hope we ain’t got 20 pages of this to look forward to
No surprise that the truth,of one of the biggest English mistakes since 1066,hurts.
pete smith:
Hope we ain’t got 20 pages of this to look forward to
Be more than that if carryfast and bewick start