As usual I’ve been travelling in the area East of M20 Junction 10A all week and listening to the local radio traffic reports. These say that what delays there are at Dover are due to: “high demand”; with no mention of any other cause so popular among certain sections of the population and Press. This I would back up by the number of lorries seen travelling in both directions. 10 A is always busy with lorries using Waterbrook and the lorry park. In spite of this there is more disruption and annoyance caused to local traffic generated by the repeated roadworks to the section of the old A20 linking J10 with J10A, while yet another essential facilities infrastructure installation for the new housing estates closes off the road yet again, requiring local traffic to follow the gyratory diversion around the new road layout for about a mile in order to bypass 50 yards of closure.
cav551:
all week and listening to the local radio traffic reports. These say that what delays there are at Dover are due to: “high demand”; with no mention of any other cause so popular among certain sections of the population and Press.
I`m sure your hearing is correct, but “high demand” at half past January?
Seems a bit strange to me.
I can see that ferry companies prefer filling sailings up and so use the least number of boats possible. Any increase in predicted demand results in queues.
“High demand” is a good excuse. Not high overall, but higher than planned for.
After two years with very quiet January, my own guess is the ferry companies are temporarily under resourced.
The ferries will say “high demand” rather than “we cant be arsed to put another ferry and crew on”!
Nothing necessarily to do with Brexit/Covid or anything else. Just efficient/profitable (for operators not customers) ferry operations.
If it is genuinely “high demand” (Im guessing it isnt) then Easter and summer will be complete chaos!
Of course none of the above affects the Inland Clearance Parks built for Brexit:
Land bought, paved, buildings, access roads, extra junctions and traffic entering and leaving m-ways. Customs officers, and remote office staff, marshalling staff, documents made and discharged. Red tape production at a high not seen for decades.
These facilities, and staff were not there before Brexit. They cost money and delay some trips.
So, expense and time added to journeys, producing…
Reminds of…
The few times I sailed over with Sea France, more affectionately known as Sea Chance because there was a ■■■■ good chance it wouldn’t sail because it wasn’t full.
Absolute shysters. 
yourhavingalarf:
Reminds of…The few times I sailed over with Sea France, more affectionately known as Sea Chance because there was a ■■■■ good chance it wouldn’t sail because it wasn’t full.
Absolute shysters.
More chance of food poisoning, delays, being late, cancelled ships you mean!
Franglais:
cav551:
all week and listening to the local radio traffic reports. These say that what delays there are at Dover are due to: “high demand”; with no mention of any other cause so popular among certain sections of the population and Press.I`m sure your hearing is correct, but “high demand” at half past January?
Seems a bit strange to me.I can see that ferry companies prefer filling sailings up and so use the least number of boats possible. Any increase in predicted demand results in queues.
“High demand” is a good excuse. Not high overall, but higher than planned for.
After two years with very quiet January, my own guess is the ferry companies are temporarily under resourced.
The ferries will say “high demand” rather than “we cant be arsed to put another ferry and crew on”!
Nothing necessarily to do with Brexit/Covid or anything else. Just efficient/profitable (for operators not customers) ferry operations.
If it is genuinely “high demand” (Im guessing it isnt) then Easter and summer will be complete chaos!Of course none of the above affects the Inland Clearance Parks built for Brexit:
Land bought, paved, buildings, access roads, extra junctions and traffic entering and leaving m-ways. Customs officers, and remote office staff, marshalling staff, documents made and discharged. Red tape production at a high not seen for decades.
These facilities, and staff were not there before Brexit. They cost money and delay some trips.
So, expense and time added to journeys, producing…
Red tape seen at a high blah blah blah.
You need to add the red tape generated by the EU no longer dealing with competences that certain govt departments SHOULD always have handled.
On a positive we’ve lost a complete additional layer of govt (aka the EU); another ineffectual talking shop Parlt and a complete Commission plus the reams of civil servants dedicated to EU directives and regulations can be put to other use.
This thread at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit [emoji16]
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Monkey241:
Red tape seen at a high blah blah blah.You need to add the red tape generated by the EU no longer dealing with competences that certain govt departments SHOULD always have handled.
On a positive we’ve lost a complete additional layer of govt (aka the EU); another ineffectual talking shop Parlt and a complete Commission plus the reams of civil servants dedicated to EU directives and regulations can be put to other use.
This thread at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit [emoji16]
So, what advantage has the red tape given us by Brexit*
Does saying "blah blah blah " cover anything at all? I have been very specific about the very visible extra admin necessary.
What red tape have we lost by leaving the EU?
“Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful” (sound familiar?)
No, we haven`t lost a complete extra layer of Parliament.
As you say some of the competences previously handled by some EU bodies will now be handled by UK ones.
Is that a gain? It is replacing one layer with another one.
To approve an article for sale, for safely, it needs tests. Hardly red tape, can we agree?
So, we need standards and test facilities. To specify and test every article needs a number of people. That cost can be shared over 27 countries or by one. Obviously sharing costs is cheaper.
So, what if we set different standards to the EU? Pointless if we wish to export there. What sense in making some widgets to UK spec and others to a different EU spec? Commercial madness. What would an EU manufacturer do to sell here? Tool up for a shorter run of UK-spec widgets? Won`t be a freebie will it.
I refer to the “red tape” of Brexit because it gives us nothing, but costs us money time and effort. A waste.
What you refer to, you say will be shifted from Brussels to London. No gain.
Is this thread “at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit”?
I dont think so. But it certainly is, I think, stating some of the costs and delays introduced by Brexit, all to no advantage to the UK as a whole. A truck in a road queue is visible. A truck in one of 900 odd places in Sevington, is invisible, but its trip is interrupted, taking longer, and costing more than it would have done pre-Brexit.
*Specifically all the new associated documentation, the extra layers of controls, both sides of the border, with more to come in the summer, all the extra employees both private and gov given us? All to no purpose except to administer Brexit pure red tape.
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Red tape seen at a high blah blah blah.You need to add the red tape generated by the EU no longer dealing with competences that certain govt departments SHOULD always have handled.
On a positive we’ve lost a complete additional layer of govt (aka the EU); another ineffectual talking shop Parlt and a complete Commission plus the reams of civil servants dedicated to EU directives and regulations can be put to other use.
This thread at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit [emoji16]
So, what advantage has the red tape given us by Brexit*
Does saying "blah blah blah " cover anything at all? I have been very specific about the very visible extra admin necessary.What red tape have we lost by leaving the EU?
“Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful” (sound familiar?)No, we haven`t lost a complete extra layer of Parliament.
As you say some of the competences previously handled by some EU bodies will now be handled by UK ones.
Is that a gain? It is replacing one layer with another one.To approve an article for sale, for safely, it needs tests. Hardly red tape, can we agree?
So, we need standards and test facilities. To specify and test every article needs a number of people. That cost can be shared over 27 countries or by one. Obviously sharing costs is cheaper.
So, what if we set different standards to the EU? Pointless if we wish to export there. What sense in making some widgets to UK spec and others to a different EU spec? Commercial madness. What would an EU manufacturer do to sell here? Tool up for a shorter run of UK-spec widgets? Won`t be a freebie will it.I refer to the “red tape” of Brexit because it gives us nothing, but costs us money time and effort. A waste.
What you refer to, you say will be shifted from Brussels to London. No gain.Is this thread “at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit”?
I dont think so. But it certainly is, I think, stating some of the costs and delays introduced by Brexit, all to no advantage to the UK as a whole. A truck in a road queue is visible. A truck in one of 900 odd places in Sevington, is invisible, but its trip is interrupted, taking longer, and costing more than it would have done pre-Brexit.*Specifically all the new associated documentation, the extra layers of controls, both sides of the border, with more to come in the summer, all the extra employees both private and gov given us? All to no purpose except to administer Brexit pure red tape.
Too long.
Too pedestrian.
And too pedantic
I tired of explaining genuine reasons for Brexit about 3 years ago; folk like you are too obtuse, too stubborn and too conceited to listen - or to understand an alternative view point.
Blah blah accurately summates the dross you repeat ad nauseum and the plodding way you attempt to wear down any opposition in debate.
It’s why you lost the referendum debate 5 years ago…
You’re becoming a caricature and lack the self awareness to realise it.
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Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Red tape seen at a high blah blah blah.You need to add the red tape generated by the EU no longer dealing with competences that certain govt departments SHOULD always have handled.
On a positive we’ve lost a complete additional layer of govt (aka the EU); another ineffectual talking shop Parlt and a complete Commission plus the reams of civil servants dedicated to EU directives and regulations can be put to other use.
This thread at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit [emoji16]
So, what advantage has the red tape given us by Brexit*
Does saying "blah blah blah " cover anything at all? I have been very specific about the very visible extra admin necessary.What red tape have we lost by leaving the EU?
“Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful” (sound familiar?)No, we haven`t lost a complete extra layer of Parliament.
As you say some of the competences previously handled by some EU bodies will now be handled by UK ones.
Is that a gain? It is replacing one layer with another one.To approve an article for sale, for safely, it needs tests. Hardly red tape, can we agree?
So, we need standards and test facilities. To specify and test every article needs a number of people. That cost can be shared over 27 countries or by one. Obviously sharing costs is cheaper.
So, what if we set different standards to the EU? Pointless if we wish to export there. What sense in making some widgets to UK spec and others to a different EU spec? Commercial madness. What would an EU manufacturer do to sell here? Tool up for a shorter run of UK-spec widgets? Won`t be a freebie will it.I refer to the “red tape” of Brexit because it gives us nothing, but costs us money time and effort. A waste.
What you refer to, you say will be shifted from Brussels to London. No gain.Is this thread “at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit”?
I dont think so. But it certainly is, I think, stating some of the costs and delays introduced by Brexit, all to no advantage to the UK as a whole. A truck in a road queue is visible. A truck in one of 900 odd places in Sevington, is invisible, but its trip is interrupted, taking longer, and costing more than it would have done pre-Brexit.*Specifically all the new associated documentation, the extra layers of controls, both sides of the border, with more to come in the summer, all the extra employees both private and gov given us? All to no purpose except to administer Brexit pure red tape.
Too long.
Too pedestrian.
And too pedanticI tired of explaining genuine reasons for Brexit about 3 years ago; folk like you are too obtuse, too stubborn and too conceited to listen - or to understand an alternative view point.
Blah blah accurately summates the dross you repeat ad nauseum and the plodding way you attempt to wear down any opposition in debate.
It’s why you lost the referendum debate 5 years ago…
You’re becoming a caricature and lack the self awareness to realise it.
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But…to sum up our shared position: we’re all leavers now.
It’s nice to belong isn’t it?
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Monkey241:
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Red tape seen at a high blah blah blah.You need to add the red tape generated by the EU no longer dealing with competences that certain govt departments SHOULD always have handled.
On a positive we’ve lost a complete additional layer of govt (aka the EU); another ineffectual talking shop Parlt and a complete Commission plus the reams of civil servants dedicated to EU directives and regulations can be put to other use.
This thread at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit [emoji16]
So, what advantage has the red tape given us by Brexit*
Does saying "blah blah blah " cover anything at all? I have been very specific about the very visible extra admin necessary.What red tape have we lost by leaving the EU?
“Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful” (sound familiar?)No, we haven`t lost a complete extra layer of Parliament.
As you say some of the competences previously handled by some EU bodies will now be handled by UK ones.
Is that a gain? It is replacing one layer with another one.To approve an article for sale, for safely, it needs tests. Hardly red tape, can we agree?
So, we need standards and test facilities. To specify and test every article needs a number of people. That cost can be shared over 27 countries or by one. Obviously sharing costs is cheaper.
So, what if we set different standards to the EU? Pointless if we wish to export there. What sense in making some widgets to UK spec and others to a different EU spec? Commercial madness. What would an EU manufacturer do to sell here? Tool up for a shorter run of UK-spec widgets? Won`t be a freebie will it.I refer to the “red tape” of Brexit because it gives us nothing, but costs us money time and effort. A waste.
What you refer to, you say will be shifted from Brussels to London. No gain.Is this thread “at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit”?
I dont think so. But it certainly is, I think, stating some of the costs and delays introduced by Brexit, all to no advantage to the UK as a whole. A truck in a road queue is visible. A truck in one of 900 odd places in Sevington, is invisible, but its trip is interrupted, taking longer, and costing more than it would have done pre-Brexit.*Specifically all the new associated documentation, the extra layers of controls, both sides of the border, with more to come in the summer, all the extra employees both private and gov given us? All to no purpose except to administer Brexit pure red tape.
Too long.
Too pedestrian.
And too pedanticI tired of explaining genuine reasons for Brexit about 3 years ago; folk like you are too obtuse, too stubborn and too conceited to listen - or to understand an alternative view point.
Blah blah accurately summates the dross you repeat ad nauseum and the plodding way you attempt to wear down any opposition in debate.
It’s why you lost the referendum debate 5 years ago…
You’re becoming a caricature and lack the self awareness to realise it.
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But…to sum up our shared position: we’re all leavers now.
It’s nice to belong isn’t it?
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Are you forgetting to log out and log into different accounts or are you actually debating yourself?
i cant see any actual personal advantages i’ve gained post brexit, apart from covid jabs
mobile phone is now back to added roaming charges, taking your pet abroad is more complicated with more admin and extra blood testing etc , additonal admin to take your car abroad (and i’ve now got to rip my nice GB plate off the back of my car and replace with a UK one) , can only stay in the eu for 90 days (bang goes my easy retirement plan), and my admin and the time it takes to arrange loads into the EU has increased ( lots of extra ballache) and so have the costs .
but , happily we control our borders, and we have an excellent govt which knows the way forward.
tonyj105:
i cant see any actual personal advantages i’ve gained post brexit, apart from covid jabs
mobile phone is now back to added roaming charges, taking your pet abroad is more complicated with more admin and extra blood testing etc , additonal admin to take your car abroad (and i’ve now got to rip my nice GB plate off the back of my car and replace with a UK one) , can only stay in the eu for 90 days (bang goes my easy retirement plan), and my admin and the time it takes to arrange loads into the EU has increased ( lots of extra ballache) and so have the costs .
but , happily we control our borders, and we have an excellent govt which knows the way forward.
It`s not quite that simple…
The UK was first to roll out vaccines, true.
But EU rules were not preventing other countries from doing so.
Only the UK chose to use the EMA regulation 174, to do with temporary licensing in a pandemic. All within EU rules.
“The head of the MHRA, Dr June Raine, has been clear that the vaccine was approved under EU law. Asked directly whether Brexit made the process quicker, she said: “We have been able to authorise the supply of the vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until 1 January.””
fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/
A good call IMHO to get the vaccines out quickly, but nowt to do with Brexit.
Franglais:
tonyj105:
i cant see any actual personal advantages i’ve gained post brexit, apart from covid jabs
mobile phone is now back to added roaming charges, taking your pet abroad is more complicated with more admin and extra blood testing etc , additonal admin to take your car abroad (and i’ve now got to rip my nice GB plate off the back of my car and replace with a UK one) , can only stay in the eu for 90 days (bang goes my easy retirement plan), and my admin and the time it takes to arrange loads into the EU has increased ( lots of extra ballache) and so have the costs .
but , happily we control our borders, and we have an excellent govt which knows the way forward.It`s not quite that simple…
The UK was first to roll out vaccines, true.
But EU rules were not preventing other countries from doing so.
Only the UK chose to use the EMA regulation 174, to do with temporary licensing in a pandemic. All within EU rules.“The head of the MHRA, Dr June Raine, has been clear that the vaccine was approved under EU law. Asked directly whether Brexit made the process quicker, she said: “We have been able to authorise the supply of the vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until 1 January.””
fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/A good call IMHO to get the vaccines out quickly, but nowt to do with Brexit.
i was actually struggling to find what personal advantage i’d gained from brexit , but my brexiteer MP promised our town a hospital and we got a PRISON , boy what a whopper , complete with solar farm and a crematorium next door . google earth wellingborough , you cant miss it .
switchlogic:
Monkey241:
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Monkey241:
Red tape seen at a high blah blah blah.You need to add the red tape generated by the EU no longer dealing with competences that certain govt departments SHOULD always have handled.
On a positive we’ve lost a complete additional layer of govt (aka the EU); another ineffectual talking shop Parlt and a complete Commission plus the reams of civil servants dedicated to EU directives and regulations can be put to other use.
This thread at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit [emoji16]
So, what advantage has the red tape given us by Brexit*
Does saying "blah blah blah " cover anything at all? I have been very specific about the very visible extra admin necessary.What red tape have we lost by leaving the EU?
“Evidence please.
Sweeping generalities are never helpful” (sound familiar?)No, we haven`t lost a complete extra layer of Parliament.
As you say some of the competences previously handled by some EU bodies will now be handled by UK ones.
Is that a gain? It is replacing one layer with another one.To approve an article for sale, for safely, it needs tests. Hardly red tape, can we agree?
So, we need standards and test facilities. To specify and test every article needs a number of people. That cost can be shared over 27 countries or by one. Obviously sharing costs is cheaper.
So, what if we set different standards to the EU? Pointless if we wish to export there. What sense in making some widgets to UK spec and others to a different EU spec? Commercial madness. What would an EU manufacturer do to sell here? Tool up for a shorter run of UK-spec widgets? Won`t be a freebie will it.I refer to the “red tape” of Brexit because it gives us nothing, but costs us money time and effort. A waste.
What you refer to, you say will be shifted from Brussels to London. No gain.Is this thread “at least seems to have put to bed lorry queues because of Brexit”?
I dont think so. But it certainly is, I think, stating some of the costs and delays introduced by Brexit, all to no advantage to the UK as a whole. A truck in a road queue is visible. A truck in one of 900 odd places in Sevington, is invisible, but its trip is interrupted, taking longer, and costing more than it would have done pre-Brexit.*Specifically all the new associated documentation, the extra layers of controls, both sides of the border, with more to come in the summer, all the extra employees both private and gov given us? All to no purpose except to administer Brexit pure red tape.
Too long.
Too pedestrian.
And too pedanticI tired of explaining genuine reasons for Brexit about 3 years ago; folk like you are too obtuse, too stubborn and too conceited to listen - or to understand an alternative view point.
Blah blah accurately summates the dross you repeat ad nauseum and the plodding way you attempt to wear down any opposition in debate.
It’s why you lost the referendum debate 5 years ago…
You’re becoming a caricature and lack the self awareness to realise it.
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But…to sum up our shared position: we’re all leavers now.
It’s nice to belong isn’t it?
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Are you forgetting to log out and log into different accounts or are you actually debating yourself?
As put downs go: needs more work.
Franglais is pedantic and dull, but at least methodical.
You?
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Monkey241:
switchlogic:
Are you forgetting to log out and log into different accounts or are you actually debating yourself?As put downs go: needs more work.
Franglais is pedantic and dull, but at least methodical.
You?
And probably a rotten detective, but,
Happy Birthday! ■■
Truly a rotten detective.
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Monkey241:
As put downs go: needs more work.I am pedantic and dull, but at least methodical.
You?
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Ok
01:43, Tuesday.
wakou:
01:43, Tuesday.
4km queue…
Two in the morning…
January…
That`ll be fun when the next level of checks and controls start in the summer.
.
But I can see a Brexit bonus here:
Deliveroo etc will be doing a good trade if they start deliveries to vehicles in the queue. Food, drink, sleeping bags?
The return of Customs runners on mopeds to prelodge your docs before you reach the TIR park?
Cash to “grey economy” workers?
Dover: the new La Jonquera? But colder, wetter, without the food and parking.
Ah, the good ole days are coming back!