whisperingsmith:
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whisperingsmith:
School Day Tip
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Great.
My smart phone doesnât have right click âŠ
Other options including smug replies are however available
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Just for you Ape Man
For those who actually like to know what is under discussion, (an apparent change of opinion by Prof Bell) here he is in 2014 and 2020.
theredcard.org/news/2014/08 ⊠-of-oxford
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53165848
Still no reply to my query as to whether all other EU drivers are underpaid or not?
But we know the answer to that.
Germany, Holland, France, are in the EU but those of us who talk to them are aware that they arent under the same wage pressure as the UK. If all EU countries havent been in the same situation, how can it all be the fault of the EU?
Same EU migration rules Germany and UK. They were OK, we weren`t.
Same rules from Brussels for both. Different rules from Berlin and London.
Be interesting to read what Bell says now.
Some of the answers may be in the links above?
Franglais:
For those who actually like to know what is under discussion, (an apparent change of opinion by Prof Bell) here he is in 2014 and 2020.theredcard.org/news/2014/08 ⊠-of-oxford
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53165848
Still no reply to my query as to whether all other EU drivers are underpaid or not?
But we know the answer to that.Germany, Holland, France, are in the EU but those of us who talk to them are aware that they aren
t under the same wage pressure as the UK. If all EU countries havent been in the same situation, how can it all be the fault of the EU?Same EU migration rules Germany and UK. They were OK, we weren`t.
Same rules from Brussels for both. Different rules from Berlin and London.Be interesting to read what Bell says now.
Some of the answers may be in the links above?[/quote
So having read it do you believe that uncontrolled immigration has no effect on the wages of the low paid?
As for EU policy do you believe that the relaxation of transport rules across the EU has had no effect on wages or rates?
The reason that the uncontrolled immigration was seen as aproblem in the UK was because the UK government at the time (Labour) didnât put in any restrictions at the time as other countries did which have now been lifted a relevant point but hardly relevant to this thread. Uncontrolled migration across the EU is an EU policy it is in fact one of itâs four cornerstones so yes the EU is responsible labour oversupply which in turn leads to the stagnation of wages
Mazzer2:
So having read it
albion:
No link yet but it will probably be up on their website in a few days
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
So having read italbion:
No link yet but it will probably be up on their website in a few days
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That was in reference to the two links you put up not the one Albion put up because; It will probably be up on their website in a few days
Should have made it clearer and said them as in the ones in your last post
Mazzer2:
do you believe that uncontrolled immigration has no effect on the wages of the low paid?
Do I believe immigration has NO effect? No, I don`t.
Do I believe immigration has SOME effect? Yes, I do.
It also seems that immigration in other EU countries has not got the same effect on wages that it may have in the UK.
Something you and others seem to ignore.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
do you believe that uncontrolled immigration has no effect on the wages of the low paid?Do I believe immigration has NO effect? No, I don`t.
Do I believe immigration has SOME effect? Yes, I do.It also seems that immigration in other EU countries has not got the same effect on wages that it may have in the UK.
Something you and others seem to ignore.
What does it matter what effect immigration has on wages in a country that I donât live in? and in the main it didnât happen as fast or on the same scale in these other countries so that no doubt lessened the impact. In the UK it has caused the stagnation and in some cases the depression of wages the main cause of which has been uncontrolled EU immigration something pro EU people have been very keen to ignore and a pro EU PM told us was good for our economy when in reality he meant big business but not the workers.
whisperingsmith:
Just for you Ape Man
Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) annual report, 2021 (accessible version) - GOV.UK
No need.
Remember the other options are available comment?
Still, we already knew you werenât quick on the uptake.
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Franglais:
Mazzer2:
do you believe that uncontrolled immigration has no effect on the wages of the low paid?Do I believe immigration has NO effect? No, I don`t.
Do I believe immigration has SOME effect? Yes, I do.It also seems that immigration in other EU countries has not got the same effect on wages that it may have in the UK.
Something you and others seem to ignore.
Seems�
Very vague language to base an assumption on.
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From the BBC link: Prof Bell:âŠ
He told the committee that social care was a âclassic exampleâ where skills were not âvaluedâ with higher salaries.
"The Migration Advisory Committee have continuously pointed out that really the problems of social care are nothing to do with immigration systems, it is to do with the fact it is not properly funded.
âAnd if the system was properly funded, wages could rise in that sector. That would [lead to] more attractive jobs for people to take up and potentially you wouldnât need immigration to be helping out in the social care sector.â
âWage premiumâ
Asked by the committeeâs chair, Labourâs Yvette Cooper, what the wages should rise to, Prof Bell suggested it would have to be between ÂŁ10 and ÂŁ12 an hour, adding: "The basic problem with that sector is that it is very hard work [which] no one doubts that.
âItâs very stressful work a lot of the time, and if your alternative is to go and work in Aldi⊠I am not sure why it is attractive.â
He said: "Some people will be very committed to social care and thatâs great. But what you are trying to get is people who havenât even thought of a career in social care to move into it.
âThere needs to be a significant wage premium to reflect the difference in that job, relative to other roundabout minimum wage jobs that require a less stressful and less hard environment.â
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Substitute âSocial Careâ with âTransportâ and I think that looks familiar.
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Immigrants don`t come into a country wanting to take on the worst paid, and hardest jobs.
They take the hardest, worst paid jobs, because there are vacancies.
We are told that we have the highest levels of employment for years, and that crops were rotting, and pigs being culled because of no slaughtermen. Turkeys imported for the first time in years.
There is a labour and wages problem.
Saying it is all down to immigration is probably wrong.
Saying Brexit has fixed it is probably wrong too.
The UK Holy Cow of âThe Marketâ deciding has ended up in boom and bust, and increasing inequality, yet still it is sold as âthe only wayâ.
Sold this story by whom? The press, that is owned by the small sector that is better off.
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
do you believe that uncontrolled immigration has no effect on the wages of the low paid?Do I believe immigration has NO effect? No, I don`t.
Do I believe immigration has SOME effect? Yes, I do.It also seems that immigration in other EU countries has not got the same effect on wages that it may have in the UK.
Something you and others seem to ignore.What does it matter what effect immigration has on wages in a country that I donât live in? and in the main it didnât happen as fast or on the same scale in these other countries so that no doubt lessened the impact. In the UK it has caused the stagnation and in some cases the depression of wages the main cause of which has been uncontrolled EU immigration something pro EU people have been very keen to ignore and a pro EU PM told us was good for our economy when in reality he meant big business but not the workers.
Really?
I`m not the most erudite, but can you really not see the point here?
Germany in EU⊠No poorly paid drivers.
UK in EU⊠Poorly paid drivers.
Why would UK leaving the EU make a difference?
The EU including UK, Germany and others had the same immigration rules. (In fact Germany has taken in many more refugees)
Why is it that the Uk seems to have these problems, and not everywhere under the same rules?
Monkey241:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
do you believe that uncontrolled immigration has no effect on the wages of the low paid?Do I believe immigration has NO effect? No, I don`t.
Do I believe immigration has SOME effect? Yes, I do.It also seems that immigration in other EU countries has not got the same effect on wages that it may have in the UK.
Something you and others seem to ignore.Seems�
Very vague language to base an assumption on.
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Ah, well.
If you can provide us all with some exact facts and figures, with a clear explanation of how all the relevant factors interact, we will be very grateful.
I expect the Sveriges Riksbank Prize Committee will be grateful too, as you`ll stop any argument over the next award.
Until we have your explanation the rest of us mere mortals are stuck with best guesses.
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
do you believe that uncontrolled immigration has no effect on the wages of the low paid?Do I believe immigration has NO effect? No, I don`t.
Do I believe immigration has SOME effect? Yes, I do.It also seems that immigration in other EU countries has not got the same effect on wages that it may have in the UK.
Something you and others seem to ignore.What does it matter what effect immigration has on wages in a country that I donât live in? and in the main it didnât happen as fast or on the same scale in these other countries so that no doubt lessened the impact. In the UK it has caused the stagnation and in some cases the depression of wages the main cause of which has been uncontrolled EU immigration something pro EU people have been very keen to ignore and a pro EU PM told us was good for our economy when in reality he meant big business but not the workers.
Really?
I`m not the most erudite, but can you really not see the point here?Germany in EU⊠No poorly paid drivers.
UK in EU⊠Poorly paid drivers.
Why would UK leaving the EU make a difference?The EU including UK, Germany and others had the same immigration rules. (In fact Germany has taken in many more refugees)
Why is it that the Uk seems to have these problems, and not everywhere under the same rules?
Think you might want to do a bit of research into whether German drivers are well paid or maybe you did and on seeing the results thought youâd post that they are well paid and then hope that no one would check average drivers salary in Germany2022
salaryexplorer.com/salary-su ⊠&jobtype=3
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
do you believe that uncontrolled immigration has no effect on the wages of the low paid?Do I believe immigration has NO effect? No, I don`t.
Do I believe immigration has SOME effect? Yes, I do.It also seems that immigration in other EU countries has not got the same effect on wages that it may have in the UK.
Something you and others seem to ignore.What does it matter what effect immigration has on wages in a country that I donât live in? and in the main it didnât happen as fast or on the same scale in these other countries so that no doubt lessened the impact. In the UK it has caused the stagnation and in some cases the depression of wages the main cause of which has been uncontrolled EU immigration something pro EU people have been very keen to ignore and a pro EU PM told us was good for our economy when in reality he meant big business but not the workers.
Really?
I`m not the most erudite, but can you really not see the point here?Germany in EU⊠No poorly paid drivers.
UK in EU⊠Poorly paid drivers.
Why would UK leaving the EU make a difference?The EU including UK, Germany and others had the same immigration rules. (In fact Germany has taken in many more refugees)
Why is it that the Uk seems to have these problems, and not everywhere under the same rules?Think you might want to do a bit of research into whether German drivers are well paid or maybe you did and on seeing the results thought youâd post that they are well paid and then hope that no one would check average drivers salary in Germany2022
salaryexplorer.com/salary-su ⊠&jobtype=3
14k per year for a truck driver?
The minimum wage in Germany is about 19,452 euro per year.
Waste of time.
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Franglais:
Think you might want to do a bit of research into whether German drivers are well paid or maybe you did and on seeing the results thought youâd post that they are well paid and then hope that no one would check average drivers salary in Germany2022
salaryexplorer.com/salary-su ⊠&jobtype=3
14k per year for a truck driver?
The minimum wage in Germany is about 19,452 euro per year.
Waste of time.
.
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That is an average so some above some below having lived and worked in Germany I can tell you that driving is niot well paid which was why when living there I didnât drive as it was easier to find better paying work, maybe when you were living there you found a well paying job and if you did well done
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Think you might want to do a bit of research into whether German drivers are well paid or maybe you did and on seeing the results thought youâd post that they are well paid and then hope that no one would check average drivers salary in Germany2022
salaryexplorer.com/salary-su ⊠&jobtype=314k per year for a truck driver?
The minimum wage in Germany is about 19,452 euro per year.Waste of time.
.
That is an average so some above some below having lived and worked in Germany I can tell you that driving is niot well paid which was why when living there I didnât drive as it was easier to find better paying work, maybe when you were living there you found a well paying job and if you did well done
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I think I have a vague, sort of an idea, what an average is. Also what means, modes, and medians are, more or less.
I don`t know how anyone can believe that a truck driver earns 14k when the Legal Minimum is currently 6k more?
Your site also states
salaryexplorer.com/salary-su ⊠&loctype=1
The average salary in the UK is 71,000GBP. The median salary is 68,100 GBP per year, which means that half (50%) of the population are earning less than 68,100 GBP while the other half are earning more than 68,100 GBP.
There are issues.
Comparing cross border salaries is difficult, and involves more than just headline salaries, costs of housing, food, taxes and health care etc. It is complex.
But believing the average is less than the legal minimum?
Even a Classics graduate wouldnt beliâŠOh! One mightâŠbut we wouldn`t let them into a position of powâŠooohhhhâŠ
Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Think you might want to do a bit of research into whether German drivers are well paid or maybe you did and on seeing the results thought youâd post that they are well paid and then hope that no one would check average drivers salary in Germany2022
salaryexplorer.com/salary-su ⊠&jobtype=314k per year for a truck driver?
The minimum wage in Germany is about 19,452 euro per year.Waste of time.
.That is an average so some above some below having lived and worked in Germany I can tell you that driving is niot well paid which was why when living there I didnât drive as it was easier to find better paying work, maybe when you were living there you found a well paying job and if you did well done
I think I have a vague, sort of an idea, what an average is. Also what means, modes, and medians are, more or less.
I don`t know how anyone can believe that a truck driver earns 14k when the Legal Minimum is currently 6k more?
Your site also states
salaryexplorer.com/salary-su ⊠&loctype=1
The average salary in the UK is 71,000GBP. The median salary is 68,100 GBP per year, which means that half (50%) of the population are earning less than 68,100 GBP while the other half are earning more than 68,100 GBP.
There are issues.
Comparing cross border salaries is difficult, and involves more than just headline salaries, costs of housing, food, taxes and health care etc. It is complex.
But believing the average is less than the legal minimum?
Even a Classics graduate wouldnt beliâŠOh! One mightâŠbut we wouldn`t let them into a position of powâŠooohhhhâŠ
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Yeah whatever just the first article that came couldnât be bothered to look any further leave all that to you
Lol Mazzer you are getting beaten and worn down with tedious links from Mr Links. This bloke could argue with himself in a stuck lift.
We all know that Brexit is a long term gameâŠleave Mr Links and the racist cornishman to carry on crying and constantly bleating negativity, in the meantime we can be positive and look towards the future with pride and positivity.