Adr loads on ferry crossing are placed on top decks of ships or at the rear or front of the vessel to be close to fire hydrants.
Is it a drivers myth that if an incident occurs with an Adr load at sea ,can the Captain push the trailer off the ship if he thinks the leakage or fire will endanger his ship/crew and passengers.
Basicly by letting off the handbrake or driving it off with the driver obviously not in the cab?
Done my ADR a few months back and I never heard that being mentioned.
it sounds hilarious so I hope it’s true!! It’s like when you were a kid and you used to “ghosty” your bmx.
na the captain can call on international rescue
toby1234abc:
Is it a driver’s myth that if an incident occurs with an Adr load at sea,
can the Captain push the trailer off the ship if he thinks the leakage
or fire will endanger his ship/crew and passengers.Basicly by letting off the handbrake or driving it off with the driver
obviously not in the cab?
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It is not a myth.
The Captain is “Master and sole Judge” of his vessel (even with a Pilot on board).
The Master is entitled (and expected) to do everything possible under SOLAS
(Safety Of Life At Sea) to safeguard the vessel, cargo, crew and passengers.
In the event, it is highly unlikely that a vehicle would have to be jetisoned at
sea in order to resolve an incident on board. Environmental contamination
would also have to be taken into consideration by the Master. By now he
would already be in touch with the Shipowner and also receiving a lot of
technical advice from shoreside experts.
Any Fire would be fought and contained by the crew. No hazardous cargo
is ever allowed on board unless equipment is already being carried on the ship
to deal with any leakages.
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FarnboroughBoy11:
:lol: it sounds hilarious so I hope it’s true!! It’s like when you were a kid and you used to “ghosty” your bmx.
good times !!
we used to run out of poole to Cherbourg and was last on and nearest the ramp outside top deck . as we thought for the very reason of letting the truck go. then a change of policy by Brittany all class one on trailers only however small the vehicle and all trailers to be dropped from the towing unit. and unit moved away from trailer. while I might have got in the vehicle to release the brakes there was no way I was going to connect the unit back up.
In just about all cases it would be physically impossible to “push” a trailer in to the sea. There would be too much in the way, and there would be nothing on deck to actually push it with. In most cases it’d be crammed in amongst other trailers and even if it wasn’t, there would be no cargo handling gear on a RO/RO capable of lifting a trailer and swinging it over the side.
Back when my dad was at sea in the 60s and early 70s, when timber was carried loose on deck, it wasn’t that uncommon in the winter due to bad weather, the timber soaked up water and thus made the ship top heavy. In those cases the crew would have to unsecure the timber and let it fall in to the sea to save the ship, but that was done solely by gravity as the ship rolled from side to side. A trailer on the top deck of a RO/RO is a different kettle of fish though.
robinhood_1984:
Back when my dad was at sea in the 60s and early 70s, when timber was carried loose on deck, it wasn’t that uncommon in the winter due to bad weather, the timber soaked up water and thus made the ship top heavy. In those cases the crew would have to unsecure the timber and let it fall in to the sea to save the ship, but that was done solely by gravity as the ship rolled from side to side.
That’s right, and ships carrying timber are allowed to sit deeper in the water (have less freeboard) than other ships, simply because timber floats. However, certain conditions do have to be met by timber carriers and one of them is a “quick release” mechanism for timber being carried on deck. It’s not so much about timber soaking up water (because high absorbant timber such as chipboard is always carried in the watertight hold below deck) it’s more about if one side of the deck cargo was swept away - the other side would have to be quickly jettisoned in order to keep an even keel and maintain stability.
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Hello everyone…
I just wanted to ask about one thing I noticed in almost every truck I saw in the UK… I know, it’s not about the ADR, but maybe here someone will be able to explain it to me… So, I was in UK three times (I live in PL), and on the parking lots, on the motorways and on the magazines sites I noticed that almost every British lorry has got a third axis… What is it for? Almost every trailer is the same construction as it is in the Europe, so I don’t see a reason why in the trucks are those additional axis for… Is it because of heavier loads?
Thanks for answers 
Grzeslav379:
Hello everyone…
I just wanted to ask about one thing I noticed in almost every truck I saw in the UK… I know, it’s not about the ADR, but maybe here someone will be able to explain it to me… So, I was in UK three times (I live in PL), and on the parking lots, on the motorways and on the magazines sites I noticed that almost every British lorry has got a third axis… What is it for? Almost every trailer is the same construction as it is in the Europe, so I don’t see a reason why in the trucks are those additional axis for… Is it because of heavier loads?Thanks for answers
A three axle truck + a three axle trailer can be 44 Tonnes.
A two axle truck + a two axle trailer can be 38 Tonnes.
Different rules apply for Draw Bars / Wagon and Drag.
Could another truck not be used to “shove” another truck over the edge? Obviously the brown stuff would need to be hitting the fan for this to happen, but if its this or the ship sinking…
The only problem’s I could see is releasing the handbrake and the whole lot rolling inside the ship 
Or the ship collides with the half submerged truck as it lands in the sea.
You mean that those 44 t is the gross vehicle weight, right? So how much does one load weight in that kinda truck? 27 t, 28 t?
Maybe it is possible that the ship will have a tug tractor to push the trailer in the sea.
To save the ship i would get rid of it.
bazza123:
Could another truck not be used to “shove” another truck over the edge? Obviously the brown stuff would need to be hitting the fan for this to happen, but if its this or the ship sinking…The only problem’s I could see is releasing the handbrake and the whole lot rolling inside the ship
No. There would be no room on deck to manouver a truck and there isn’t just an open edge on the side of the ship, there would be steel bulwarks 2 or 3 ft high. Even if you could ram it with something else, which you couldn’t, it’d just hit the bulwark and stop.
Below is a picture of my old truck on the Immingham to Cuxhaven freighter, these type of ships have no cargo handling gear/cranes so there would be no possible way to actually hoist the truck up and over the side.
Grzeslav379:
You mean that 44 t is the gross vehicle weight, right ?So how much does one load weight in that kinda truck? 27 t, 28 t?
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Yes, 44 Tonnes is the maximum gross weight in the UK for a tri-axle truck and a tri-axle trailer.
My truck and trailer weighs 17,600 kilos so I can carry a load of 26,400 kilos.
My trailer can carry 26 X 1 Tonne pallets.
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Grzeslav379:
You mean that those 44 t is the gross vehicle weight, right? So how much does one load weight in that kinda truck? 27 t, 28 t?
yes 28 tonnes is about the top limit! 
most combos of tractive unit and semi trailer is 15500 kgs - 16 tonne! 
welcome to the site 
orys is polish, I’m sure he will say hello!
robinhood_1984:
bazza123:
Could another truck not be used to “shove” another truck over the edge? Obviously the brown stuff would need to be hitting the fan for this to happen, but if its this or the ship sinking…The only problem’s I could see is releasing the handbrake and the whole lot rolling inside the ship
No. There would be no room on deck to manouver a truck and there isn’t just an open edge on the side of the ship, there would be steel bulwarks 2 or 3 ft high. Even if you could ram it with something else, which you couldn’t, it’d just hit the bulwark and stop.
Below is a picture of my old truck on the Immingham to Cuxhaven freighter, these type of ships have no cargo handling gear/cranes so there would be no possible way to actually hoist the truck up and over the side.
That’s the cleanest trailer I’ve ever seen.
If they want to shove a truck or trailer over the side, they will use one of the ships winches or another ship, but marine pollution costs & fines would probably cost more than putting it out or letting it burn out. After all there is no shortage of water at sea
Wheel Nut:
If they want to shove a truck or trailer over the side, they will use one of the ships winches or another ship, but marine pollution costs & fines would probably cost more than putting it out or letting it burn out. After all there is no shortage of water at sea
Which winches, on which ships? The vast majority of shipping these days has no cargo handling gear whatsoever and even if some did, by the time they’d reach the scene, the whole disaster would be over with and the top deck of a RO/RO would be far too high for most ships with cargo handling gear to actually reach. If an ADR load catches fire on the top deck of a RO/RO, or on any deck, many carry them internally now, only one of two things would happen. Either the blaze would be put out by the crew, if they could actually access the trailer, which would be quite doubtful due to how tightly packed in trailers are, or there would be a serious fire that at the very least would incinerate every other trailer around it. Either way, there would certainly be no pushing of trailers over the side in any way, shape or form.