Its like with me,I have a sleep in my break,set the alarm on my phone and forget about it,then 20 minutes up the road,the alarm goes off,I cant touch the phone because the camera is there.I cant eat or drink anything either,so I should be a safer driver,in theory
Franglais.
Good point about the visible police cars.Some of those who argue for more traffic police even admit that when there is a police car ,they warn all the oncoming traffic that its there!
the maoster:
Behaving badly doesn’t translate to lower insurance premiums. That’s my argument, not whether Bogdan/Kevin or Julie adjusts their behaviour or not.
Surely better driving means fewer accidents, fewer claims, and hence lower premiums?
Sploom:
I cant eat or drink anything either,so I should be a safer driver
Genius.
“In theory” yep, that’s where your game is strong.
I would love to live in the world that Sploom lives in.
The sun is always shining, Jesus loves him, nobody ever lies to him, everything he is told is genuine, and he has zero reason to doubt whatever he is told… …he’s the perfect citizen as he abides by ALL the rules, and his sense of well being in his cloud cuckoo perfect world gives him extreme self satisfaction.
He’s a bit like a Mary Poppins where everything in the world is lovely,…ahhh.l I feel all nice and content inside.
Franglais:
the maoster:
Behaving badly doesn’t translate to lower insurance premiums. That’s my argument, not whether Bogdan/Kevin or Julie adjusts their behaviour or not.Surely better driving means fewer accidents, fewer claims, and hence lower premiums?
But does it though?..the camera bit I mean.
If I had a camera facing me all day, my consciousness of some ■■■■ sat watching me or randomly watching me would be off the scale.
It would have to be covered in some way.
Rather than make me a safer driver I think it would make me a bad driver,.I would be concentrating far more wondering who was , or if anybody was watching me, it would make me ■■■■ irate tbh.
Pleasssssseeeee ffs don’t anybody come back with…
‘‘Why if you are doing nothing wrong?’’ as it will trigger off and bring back my old violent tendencies that I keep under control these days by totally ignoring d/heads . 
Franglais:
the maoster:
Behaving badly doesn’t translate to lower insurance premiums. That’s my argument, not whether Bogdan/Kevin or Julie adjusts their behaviour or not.Surely better driving means fewer accidents, fewer claims, and hence lower premiums?
But how exactly does having a camera pointed at your face promote better driving? I grant that it may well promote better behaviour towards mobile phone use (or lack of), but how does it make the act of driving better?
I could be sat bolt upright, alert, belted up with my hands at ten to two and ignoring every single road sign, every speed limit, straightlining every corner forcing oncoming vehicles into evasive manoeuvres and mounting every single curb and the driver facing camera would do Jack ■■■■ to change that. Any playback after complaints would show me doing it correctly.
You would need to look at the statistics which we dont have,in order to know.
But,if you have an argument with another driver,he might say you were on the phone when you werent,so the camera would prove that you werent
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If you were involved in a serious accident,the first thing the police would want is if you were on the phone and they would likely confiscate and send it away for testing to see if you were using it before the accident
Sploom:
You would need to look at the statistics which we dont have,in order to know.
But,if you have an argument with another driver,he might say you were on the phone when you werent,so the camera would prove that you werent
Like I said totally sold and convinced. …you are actually starting to annoy me now.
Look mate if some absolute ■■■■ falsely accused me of being on a phone, firstly he would have to prove it, otherwise the one who was trying to discipline me would be told to ■■■■ off and to come back and try again when he obtained this non existent proof.
So until then it is his word against mine, and still with the onus on him to prove it…ie,.the law of the land…
I am innocent until PROVEN guilty. 
the maoster:
Franglais:
the maoster:
Behaving badly doesn’t translate to lower insurance premiums. That’s my argument, not whether Bogdan/Kevin or Julie adjusts their behaviour or not.Surely better driving means fewer accidents, fewer claims, and hence lower premiums?
But how exactly does having a camera pointed at your face promote better driving? I grant that it may well promote better behaviour towards mobile phone use (or lack of), but how does it make the act of driving better?
I could be sat bolt upright, alert, belted up with my hands at ten to two and ignoring every single road sign, every speed limit, straightlining every corner forcing oncoming vehicles into evasive manoeuvres and mounting every single curb and the driver facing camera would do Jack [zb] to change that. Any playback after complaints would show me doing it correctly.
If a driver prone to distraction by a phone etc, is deterred by a camera looking at him, then it is working.
Driver facing cameras are not a solution to all problems, no one is pretending they are, but they are a tool.
At the risk of repeating myself (over and bloody over) the cameras are NOT improving driving standards, they are merely educating already bad drivers as to what they can and can’t get away with. It’s Eff all to do with improving driving and everything to do with imprinting behaviour upon the driver, the behaviour being how to act in front of a camera, not how to avoid killing somebody.
the maoster:
At the risk of repeating myself (over and bloody over) the cameras are NOT improving driving standards, they are merely educating already bad drivers as to what they can and can’t get away with. It’s Eff all to do with improving driving and everything to do with imprinting behaviour upon the driver, the behaviour being how to act in front of a camera, not how to avoid killing somebody.
If they are educating bad drivers that playing with phones is a bad thing, then that is good, isnt it? They might be making the "not lost yet" to have a think about their actions. And if a driver persistently looks at phone and doesnt learn then maybe they will get the sack before killing someone.
“Imprinting behaviour” I think the Army calls that training?
I’m out. All you are doing is reverting to type and disagreeing for the sake of disagreement. I could post a picture of a sunny day and you’d argue that it was in fact raining. If you could possibly shoehorn in a link showing that it was the fault of the Conservative Government you’d have a handful of Kleenex down your undies.
You don’t necessarily disagree with a single point I make but your nature dictates that you must. I’m bored now. No more.
People generally behave better when they know they are being observed.
Cameras are a way of making people behave better. And drive better.
I know some find them a sort of intrusion into privacy, but driving on a public road is not a private activity. It affects all of those around us.
If cameras make us think about our actions and drive better then all is good.
I reckon they do just that.
Handily, those of us who don’t actually need a camera pointed in our face have the option to not do so, we can easily move on and get a job elsewhere, somewhere that maybe appreciates care and competence and knows the difference between a lorry driver and a bar of soap, and those who need a camera pointing at them can take our places, time will tell which works out in which operators favour.
There’s thousands of bods out there who won’t say no, they can have the camera pointed at them all day long, fill yer boots lads, just don’t be surprised when the next big brother move comes along and the ones after that, keep saying yes boss and the job will only get progressively worse, and the person to blame for it will be looking back at them in the mirror.
Franglais:
People generally behave better when they know they are being observed.
Cameras are a way of making people behave better. And drive better..
So Maoster gets bored with your forum technique,.then in some sort of self satisfied perception of ‘‘victory’’ , you have to finish off with a monologue summing up precis, in the context of it being an actual fact rather than your own opinion.
I would ask you why you are so confident that this is in fact accurate, but you would no doubt bombard me with links and official statistics…so I wont.
Juddian:
Handily, those of us who don’t actually need a camera pointed in our face have the option to not do so, we can easily move on and get a job elsewhere, somewhere that maybe appreciates care and competence and knows the difference between a lorry driver and a bar of soap, and those who need a camera pointing at them can take our places, time will tell which works out in which operators favour.There’s thousands of bods out there who won’t say no, they can have the camera pointed at them all day long, fill yer boots lads, just don’t be surprised when the next big brother move comes along and the ones after that, keep saying yes boss and the job will only get progressively worse, and the person to blame for it will be looking back at them in the mirror.
Yes,here is the next big brother move,its nearly upon us
hgvt.co.uk/hgv-training-new … iredness/#
Robroy.
If Franglais isnt allowed to give you any evidence to back up his position,what about you?
Do you think you behave better with a camera in the cab?
Sploom:
Robroy.
If Franglais isnt allowed to give you any evidence to back up his position,what about you?
Do you think you behave better with a camera in the cab?
‘Isn’t allowed’.
Frangers will just love that .
To ‘behave better’ I would have to ‘behave’ badly in the first place.
I don’t ‘behave badly’ whilst driving, as far as I’m concerned , and I certainly don’t NEED a ■■■■ camera to monitor my ‘behaviour’.as I am a professional driver not a 12 year old school kid, and if I am attempted to be treated so I will do everything I can to prevent it,…unlike yourself.
But to keep the peace I will let ‘them’ think they have won,.which keeps everybody happy.
Oh,ok