AndrewG:
Juddian:
You see idiots like this stopping full brakes from warp speed brakes alone, pull into wherever they are switch the engine straight off (so good for the turbo bearings that 
)and apply the parking brake onto discs/drums that are still near enough glowing red, does the discs and pads a power of good too
Old school…i think about that a lot. Stationary with pads clamped onto hot discs creates a hot spot with ensuing warped discs and switching straight off with a hard worked turbo without letting the heat level out equals vastly reduced turbo life.
Cars on lease/ reps/ fleet trucks and no one gives a [zb] though…
The problem with pads clamped tight to red hot discs is not just disc warping, apparently under these extremes some of the now slightly altered pad material can be transferred to the disc, and this material doesn’t simply wear off in subsequent brake operations, so that judder that you think might be a warped disc is this residue.
Do you recall when Ferodo used to offer standard road use brake pads for nearly all applications, were my brake supplier of choice for many years, they came with an abrasive compound bonded to the face of the pad which would deglaze and clean the disc up brilliantly during that bedding in process.
Just out of interest i recently found Carparts4less/Eurocarparts are supplying Brembo discs and pads at very sensible prices…other suppliers of these are available…well after recommendation i now have them fitted to both our cars, and the feel of the brakes now is just like they were after fitting Ferodo, a might lighter pedal application leading to very powerful and progressive braking.
Fair bit of brake dust though, so suspect the pads won’t last terribly long but i can live with that for the pleasure of the better than new braking on the cars, and the dust doesn’t ingrain ito the wheel paint which again leads me to believe it pad dust and not so much steel disc dust rusting into the paint.
Rather the discs had an easy life, first noticed discs wearing quickly on German cars in the 80’s, pads that didn’t wear, in fact the pads would last exactly one disc change as they ripped the disc faces to pieces, so if things were to return to being able to get three sets of pads out of one set of discs i would be the last to complain.
Turbo wise (yoohoo, waves, some of us fleet drivers still care 
), i’ve always warmed and cooled them, and no matter what the latest fad might be i’ll carry one doing so till i hang me keys up for the last time, and there will be plenty of oil in the sump to feed said turbo…changed regularly on my own cars, none of this 20k servicing ■■■■■■■■
So far, i can’t recall a single turbo failure in all me years, so as it does that’s now become a matter of pride to see that to the end.
Plus, if it ■■■■■■ someone off that i let it tickover more than the average bod who hasn’t a second to live, well thats a bonus in itself 
Offtopic for a moment, unusual you say 
My son lives in quite middle class circumstances and surroundings, and bloody good luck to him.
Most of their friends no longer buy cars, they are increasingly getting new cars on PCP’s or leases, driving them for the standard three years and handing them back.
Now most of these 30 somethings haven’t a bloody clue about cars, few if any would know how to lift the bonnet, so such car rent methods is probably cost effective for many, it wouldn’t suit many of us and i wouldn’t give you a thankyou for a soulless modern heap anyway 
, but these cars will have the bare minimum of servicing and will have been driven with zero mechanical sympathy, won’t they be brilliant used buys a few years down the line
, did weekly check on Mrs car and n/s indicator bulb had gone , she’d only previous day said similar to you , car nearly hit back of her as she turned into our road and he’d hit horn at her , I just put it down to him/ her being idiot but it could of well been indicator not working
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