Second item, one driver (class 1) has been doing it 30 years, she is on £9 an hour tramping…WHAT PLANET IS SHE ON? 
bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m … t-27012020
shullbit:
Second item, one driver (class 1) has been doing it 30 years, she is on £9 an hour tramping…WHAT PLANET IS SHE ON?
bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m … t-27012020
That’s terrible wages shed be earning more money driving bin lorries doing less hours.
With our london waiting and cleanup pay drivers are on nearly £20 a hour at our place.
But that also shows what a good union can get for drivers.
Well pretty much a repeat of every news report on the driver shortage in the last few years, with a bit of BBC agenda added by finding a woman driver working for a woman boss and the trainer spending a good few minutes about attracting women in the industry.
We had the industry representative telling us the government should do something as they have older drivers and new drivers coming in, but very few in the middle despite years of gimmicks to get people licences. Maybe the reason for this is the industry’s inability to retain existing drivers?
And the Woman driving might explain why, 70 hours a week for £9ph, she said “Youngsters don’t want the job because they can’t hack the long hours” I’d say its because they don’t have to accept doing the long hours and mostly can get better paid work.
Money isn’t everything to some people, but £9 per hour is undervaluing yourself.
Money is everything in 2020.This country is an expensive place to live.Anyone doing £9 on class 1 needs to be minted or stupid.
If there really was a driver shortage, then the wage wouldn’t be £9 an hour. Simples.
There is no driver shortage. I’m job hunting at the moment and once I got past all the agency adverts promising me the earth, there were two jobs on offer. Both adr, both offering me £10.20 per hour. Our day lads are on more than that for bog standard trunking. Needless to say I turned them both down and the adverts havent reappeared, which suggests to me that someone has taken them. More fool them.
If you’re interested, do a google search on uk hgv driver shortage. Anyone remember the empty shelves of christmas 2015?
theguardian.com/world/2015/ … ssociation
It does seem though that the reasons for lack of interest from drivers is being noticed beyond the drivers themselves.
backlinelogistics.co.uk/the-hgv … lly-exist/
The drivers ARE there, but they dont want to drive.
The industries bleating on about a ‘driver shortage’ got old ages ago.
Hauliers moaning that drivers aren’t falling into their laps whilst poorly treating their existing ones with crap facilities, bare minimum employment terms, having no humanity whilst shafting drivers for ludicrous runs & hours, horrendous 5/7 shift patterns, pitiful hourly rates, 50+ hour contracts etc. etc. Put up or shut up ffs 
If there is a shortage it is because hours ,conditions and wages are 20 years out of date …that is for those that say there is a shortage 
From what I can see, the coffee barista shortage is a more serious matter, spacially from 2021 onwards
osark:
From what I can see, the coffee barista shortage is a more serious matter, spacially from 2021 onwards
theguardian.com/artanddesig … urator-pay
Got to pay big for coffee jobs now 
This driver shortage has been going on since the eighties and possibly earlier. I say the eighties as that’s when I first entered the industry, All be it the end. I have managed to escape now and it would have to be an amazing job to get me back into a truck. At the moment I pilot a VW Caddy for the Highland Council, that’s big enough for me thanks. 
What an absolute load of rubbish that was,
2 firms there and Abby make no effort to make themselves look good,even show a close up of a truck with the steps smashed off 
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Stalkers taking the urine at £9 an hour fir tramping…
And then the government wants ex convicts and long term unemployed to fill the so called shortage…
To be a driver you need to be reliable,think for yourself,be able to get out of bed and realise you don’t go home at 5 o clock most days so I can’t see a lazy sod who’s never worked doing that can you.
BUT,there isn’t a shortage anyway there is crap firms that can’t recruit drivers because they pay poorly and treat them like crap and then scream DRIVER SHORTAGE,
Funny that my firm pays average money for West Yorkshire but treats is fairly well and nobody leaves very often.
Harry Monk:
If there really was a driver shortage, then the wage wouldn’t be £9 an hour. Simples.
…Not if the natural process of price discovery is corrupted by a bent version of capitalism there so that only the wealthy can exploit it.
In a proper capitalism marketplace - unions would be a lot more powerful simply because “withdrawal of labour” for ANY reason - would ■■■■■■■ a firm outright, and on-the-fly if restrictions around industrial action were tamed.
Agency Nurses shows what happens when a large Union has it’s fingers in an agency that what? - Charges £50ph for nurses?
WE could be getting that as well - but only if our government cracked down on “Pseudo Employment” which currently allows any agency to pay any random figure they feel like - pulled out of thin air, as I don’t think I’ve seen two agencies paying the same hourly rates for the past five years now…
The “difference” between one agency and another - is how each defines “shortage of drivers”…
(1) Shortage of Clean Licence holders?
(2) Shortage of 10 years+ experience?
(3) Shortage of Monday-Friday 9-5 working slots available?
(4) Shortage of drivers living within 45 minutes of the main client?
(5) Shortage of “pliable” staff that will buy up any line of BS fed them? “They asked for you by name” rather than "Now would be a good time to say NO and ask for a pay rise instead)
(6) Shortage of drivers looking to stay “Part time”
(7) Shortage of drivers prepared to pay to go to work, eg. Unpaid assessments, meal deductions rather than additions
(8) It’s a shame that I’m finally left with an ‘8’
(9) There’s a shortage of nines.
Harry Monk:
If there really was a driver shortage, then the wage wouldn’t be £9 an hour. Simples.
Nail on head.
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Dinsdale:
also ex cons is a no go,i can’t see a lot of companies allowing them on site especially high security,docks and other sensitive areas.
I’m not quite sure how these places would know they are ex-cons? I don’t think they have access to drivers’ criminal records.
There is no driver shortage. It’s virtually a minimum wage job nowadays, the market is flooded with cheap labour from the other side of the River Oder and even with Brexit the genie won’t be going back into the bottle anytime in the foreseeable future.
Harry Monk:
Dinsdale:
also ex cons is a no go,i can’t see a lot of companies allowing them on site especially high security,docks and other sensitive areas.I’m not quite sure how these places would know they are ex-cons? I don’t think they have access to drivers’ criminal records.
There is no driver shortage. It’s virtually a minimum wage job nowadays, the market is flooded with cheap labour from the other side of the River Oder and even with Brexit the genie won’t be going back into the bottle anytime in the foreseeable future.
Not sure, “Rehabilitation Of Offenders”?
Prospective employees, if asked, are obliged to give details of convictions. Minor offences, when young, disappear quickly, but serious crimes with long sentences don’t.
The employer may not have access to records, but can take action if records aren’t declared when asked for.
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(If a serial hijacker doesn’t come clean at interview, you can sack him!)
Franglais:
Harry Monk:
Dinsdale:
also ex cons is a no go,i can’t see a lot of companies allowing them on site especially high security,docks and other sensitive areas.I’m not quite sure how these places would know they are ex-cons? I don’t think they have access to drivers’ criminal records.
There is no driver shortage. It’s virtually a minimum wage job nowadays, the market is flooded with cheap labour from the other side of the River Oder and even with Brexit the genie won’t be going back into the bottle anytime in the foreseeable future.
Not sure, “Rehabilitation Of Offenders”?
Prospective employees, if asked, are obliged to give details of convictions. Minor offences, when young, disappear quickly, but serious crimes with long sentences don’t.
The employer may not have access to records, but can take action if records aren’t declared when asked for.
.
(If a serial hijacker doesn’t come clean at interview, you can sack him!)
As it stands now not having to declare past convictions is allowed but if training ex offenders became the norm and commonplace some companies would require a DBS check before employing or allowing onto site,any employer can require it even now.
Dinsdale:
Franglais:
Harry Monk:
Dinsdale:
also ex cons is a no go,i can’t see a lot of companies allowing them on site especially high security,docks and other sensitive areas.I’m not quite sure how these places would know they are ex-cons? I don’t think they have access to drivers’ criminal records.
There is no driver shortage. It’s virtually a minimum wage job nowadays, the market is flooded with cheap labour from the other side of the River Oder and even with Brexit the genie won’t be going back into the bottle anytime in the foreseeable future.
Not sure, “Rehabilitation Of Offenders”?
Prospective employees, if asked, are obliged to give details of convictions. Minor offences, when young, disappear quickly, but serious crimes with long sentences don’t.
The employer may not have access to records, but can take action if records aren’t declared when asked for.
.
(If a serial hijacker doesn’t come clean at interview, you can sack him!)As it stands now not having to declare past convictions is allowed but if training ex offenders became the norm and commonplace some companies would require a DBS check before employing or allowing onto site,any employer can require it even now.
I know of a couple of incidents where someone either got sacked or didn’t get a job one was the person got a job in a day centre for autistic adults didn’t declare he had been arrested for stealing a pint of milk as an adult in his home country. when the dbs check came back it was on there so they had to sack him because he hadn’t declared it. The other one was a friend of mine that went for a job with an IT company as a field engineer because of some of the sites he might go to he had to declare if anyone in the family had a record.
I think the idea is that ex service men and ex offenders find it hard to get work for what ever reasons so its a way of employing them however I have seen lots of job adverts saying they need a dbs and brakes even went as far as to ask for a credit check too as you will handle money. I think as said above all that will happen is more and more companies will ask for checks.