With regards to th OP i will stick up for the youngsters. Firstly you could have driver with 30 years experience but at 1 company. A driver with 2 years experience as agencey, different loads and vehicles every day. WHO is the most experienced now?
Also these skills are not passed on as eveyone is too busy to help each other. Again the experienced of the 30 years wil find ropping and sheeting easy but the youngster will find the lorry computer system easy.
It should be a team effort but nobody cares about anyone else anymore.
Would I have wanted to drive when you started then yes i would. The lorry may have been harder but the roads were quieter and people were willing to help
Pat Hasler:
Angus25 … You need some more schooling… Not to drive but to learn how to spell, your post is disgracefull
Villa … You have no idea what the test was like years ago, I took mine and it involved 30 minutes reversing around AND OBSTICAL course plus a steep hill start and we didn’t have modern things such as automatic take off to lift the revs as the clutch was lifted. The road course was anything from 2 -3 hours in a city center, if you so much as touched a curb or cossed a line you failed. Don’t refer to drivers who know more than you as 'Old Bollockers you cheeky kid.
Maybe you should check your own spelling Mr Smartarse?
BY THE PROFIS THEY ARE NOT BORN, BECOME THEM.
DRIVING COURSE.YES 5 DAY NOT TO MANY,BUT IT IS cost around 1200 pound.if taked 10 day -price will be double. more training just better,but if people pass from first time (which no mistakes)it does not mean,who he will be goog drivers.EXPIRIENCE COME IN NOT IN ONE DAY.DRIVING TESTS AND DRIVING LIFE NOT SAME SOMETIME.drivers which 2-3 years expirience some time have more expirience ,becouse he was workink in 10-20 company from agency,he see difference.some drivers work 20 years(in one company) and see just one company rules.
WHEN people pass tests ,he wont found permament job(good for money and stability).but if new drivers start work for example for STOBART,WHEA GOOD fleet,good trailers,curtainside,and do delivery to RDC just.what expirience come if he do just delivery in good condition.but if some person was working from agency for 20 company,was see to many diferents ,better for him.i see couple month ago,when was working for Carlsberg-one drivers (he have 20 years expirince,talk me later),was working just whith boxed trailers,so he ask me -HELP OPEN CURTAINSIDE.(CARLSBERG curtainside not usually to open)
villa:
how many of these old bollocker so called proffesional hgv drivers actually passed a test to do the job
lets face it the test years ago was a piece of ■■■■
any prat could pass
what was the pass rate years ago ,
practically 99 per cent i would guess
for army blokes the fail rate was nil per cent
not like nowadays
these blokes who have been doing the job for 30 odd years look down on new drivers
not realising what people have to go through nowadays to get the license
Nice attitude so i guess that makes you a better driver then one of the old boys because in your eyes ‘not so easy nowadays’ This is the osrt of attitude that leaves you stuck on your own when something on the job goes wrong. I know of plenty army boys who failed Hgv and ended up with just a car ticket so guess youre wrong there to…
Yes i got my ticket in the army was back in 95 and dispite all the driving i did when whilst in it wasnt until i came out and started driving for a living that I learnt how to drive
Young or old! We all learn something new everyday! Attitude today reflects the society we live in! I bet there is a different attitude in every single country in the world! Some good some not so good!
My personal take is I will try and help another motorist if it’s obvious they need help and I know I can be of assistance! It’s surprising how British people react when you stop and offer to help them! The don’t expect help as the norm! Sort of proves the theory that we live in a selfish,self centred society!
Pat Hasler:
Angus25 … You need some more schooling… Not to drive but to learn how to spell, your post is disgracefull
Villa … You have no idea what the test was like years ago, I took mine and it involved 30 minutes reversing around AND OBSTICAL course plus a steep hill start and we didn’t have modern things such as automatic take off to lift the revs as the clutch was lifted. The road course was anything from 2 -3 hours in a city center, if you so much as touched a curb or cossed a line you failed. Don’t refer to drivers who know more than you as 'Old Bollockers you cheeky kid.
Maybe you should check your own spelling Mr Smartarse?
And what is “cossed”? Is it something that only professional drivers know about?
Yeah so I had a couple of typos and errors but his post if full of words that don’t actually exist… so shut the **** up.
dessy:
Young or old! We all learn something new everyday! Attitude today reflects the society we live in! I bet there is a different attitude in every single country in the world! Some good some not so good!
My personal take is I will try and help another motorist if it’s obvious they need help and I know I can be of assistance! It’s surprising how British people react when you stop and offer to help them! The don’t expect help as the norm! Sort of proves the theory that we live in a selfish,self centred society!
yes i agree
its only afte you pass your test and start working that you start gaining experience to make you a good or better driver
ok i may not know what the test was like years ago but todays test is strict and the examiners are very trivial , although i guess they have to be
pass rates vary wherever the test is taken
i wonder what the pass rate was 30 years ago
anyway whats all this roping and sheeting crap
dont tell me years ago they used to secure sheet metal to flat bed lorrys with ropes
surely the old bollockers were not that thick
villa:
yes i agree
its only afte you pass your test and start working that you start gaining experience to make you a good or better driver
ok i may not know what the test was like years ago but todays test is strict and the examiners are very trivial , although i guess they have to be
pass rates vary wherever the test is taken
i wonder what the pass rate was 30 years ago
anyway whats all this roping and sheeting crap
dont tell me years ago they used to secure sheet metal to flat bed lorrys with ropes
surely the old bollockers were not that thick
Before curtain siders everything was carried on flatbeds although i am not old enough to remember those days so you work it out and if done correctly rope and sheet is just as safe if not safer then curtainside.
Nowadays you are taught how to pass a test not how to drive and go over the same route day in day out till you know it in your sleep
A good example of ■■■■-poor attitudes of some drivers towards others happened the other day. Aston brewery Birmingham you have to reverse in on an angle by completely blocking a very busy road, you nearly always get different degrees of abuse off car drivers for holding them up for all of 1 minute , anyway this young lad was making a right arse of trying to back in, he didn’t have much idea and the more mistakes he made the more flustered he got, there were 2 “drivers” watching and taking the ■■■■ and the lad could see them laughing, I was sat on a bay and jumped out of the cab, these 2 knobheads thought I was coming over to join them but when they saw me giving them a filthy look and shaking my head as I walked over to the lad to guide him in, they must have realised what a pair of dicks I thought they were, and tried to join me in watching the lad in themselves … Anyway he eventually got on the bay and thanked me, I said “thats OK mate” and while looking daggers at the other two, said “We all had to learn” they didn’t say a word
By the way Mr villa sir, love the “old bollockers” reference
I know plenty of drivers who have been doing the job like a ■■■■ all their working lives, they have been on the road for 30yrs or more and still do the job the same way they did when they first started, so that means they have 1yrs experience, they’ve just done it 30 times
I worked at a firm where we had a young lad who just passed his test, he looked up to the rest of us like we were the dog’s ■■■■■■■■. We did continental work and he was a UK driver, tipping and loading our trailers. He got his start on the continental side with a trip to Dusseldorf and did a couple on the spin. I was in the yard and my usual Italian run was swapped for an urgent Dusseldorf, I followed the young lad all the way from the German border as he knew where we were going and I, with all my experience, never had a clue. You learn a new thing in this job every day, that’s a point worth remembering, no matter how experienced you think you are, ther’s always someone out there who knows something you don’t
cheers mate
not a bad drink that frosty jack at the brewery is it
although i wouldnt say thimble mill lane is a very busy road
but it can be a tricky reverse
robroy:
A good example of ■■■■-poor attitudes of some drivers towards others happened the other day. Aston brewery Birmingham you have to reverse in on an angle by completely blocking a very busy road, you nearly always get different degrees of abuse off car drivers for holding them up for all of 1 minute , anyway this young lad was making a right arse of trying to back in, he didn’t have much idea and the more mistakes he made the more flustered he got, there were 2 “drivers” watching and taking the ■■■■ and the lad could see them laughing, I was sat on a bay and jumped out of the cab, these 2 knobheads thought I was coming over to join them but when they saw me giving them a filthy look and shaking my head as I walked over to the lad to guide him in, they must have realised what a pair of dicks I thought they were, and tried to join me in watching the lad in themselves … Anyway he eventually got on the bay and thanked me, I said “thats OK mate” and while looking daggers at the other two, said “We all had to learn” they didn’t say a word
By the way Mr villa sir, love the “old bollockers” reference
villa:
cheers mate
not a bad drink that frosty jack at the brewery is it
although i wouldnt say thimble mill lane is a very busy road
but it can be a tricky reverse quote]
Well…it was busy that day for young uns and old bollockers alike
Who gets more respect? The guy who’s worked for the same firm for years or someone with the same experience but jumps ship at least once a year?
I’ve also worked with very experienced drivers who have the hump with anyone not doing the job their way ie tearing about, shouting the odds etc…
Same ones who think they have a right to be loaded first and must know what everyone else is doing (I’d tell him I had backload after backload, worked a treat )
Can’t be arsed to read all the thread, but is this just the “I’ve been driving for 30 yrs so i’m better than you and how dare you even think to question me on it…” argument again?
DonutUK:
Can’t be arsed to read all the thread, but is this just the “I’ve been driving for 30 yrs so i’m better than you and how dare you even think to question me on it…” argument again?
with a bit of “I’ve been driving for 4 years and know everyfink cos I can google on I-phone innit” thrown in for good measure
Can’t be arsed to read all the thread, but is this just the “I’ve been driving for 30 yrs so i’m better than you and how dare you even think to question me on it…” argument again?
I guess that is exactly the sort of attitude that the experienced lads are talking about. Well done.
, anyway this young lad was making a right arse of trying to back in, he didn’t have much idea and the more mistakes he made the more flustered he got, there were 2 “drivers” watching and taking the ■■■■ 
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