Lorry drivers must be simple [zb]…to work more than minimum 45 hours without a premium rate to kick in…I know the kids an the Dog are looking rather thin…but i d rather stack shelves…I know I’m gonna get flack…But it’s not the Ski’s,but the agency’s and Employers who have taken advantage of this cheap labour…1984 went from logbook to tachograph… Told it would irradicate bad Employers… Did it [zb]…Got told 2008 New CPC would improve our conditions …Well guess what guys …you know…I’m voting on 23rd June to leave the EU…Cos even the good Companys will go down this road… Just got to look at the slowly erosion of the petrol boys rates…
Rog270:
Lorry drivers must be simple [zb]…to work more than minimum 45 hours without a premium rate to kick in…I know the kids an the Dog are looking rather thin…but i d rather stack shelves…I know I’m gonna get flack…But it’s not the Ski’s,but the agency’s and Employers who have taken advantage of this cheap labour…1984 went from logbook to tachograph… Told it would irradicate bad Employers… Did it [zb]…Got told 2008 New CPC would improve our conditions …Well guess what guys …you know…I’m voting on 23rd June to leave the EU…Cos even the good Companys will go down this road… Just got to look at the slowly erosion of the petrol boys rates…
If you want to go and stack shelfs then [zb] off and do it then no one forced you to drive lorrys did they.
En Anglais SVP?
Mr Colin you a Stobbies driver wlhatvthe zib would you know about premium rate
Ok then I’ll bite. My overtime doesn’t kick in till 40 hours. Please tell me why I’m a daft?
I work 5 shifts a week, Monday to Friday, and I don’t have an office who try and break me for 3 days then don’t give me any work for the 2 shifts. I do 50 hours a week average, and somewhere between 9-11 hours a day.
Should I kick up a fuss with the gaffer, and demand my premium rate kicks in at 8 hours a day instead? No, because it wouldn’t make any difference to my pay packet or the way I work.
Ps if you’re unhappy with your job or t & c’s, perhaps you would be better off at Tesco 
You think leaving the EU is suddenly going to give us major bucks?
Whenever I moan about wages , I just get told there’s o/ t avaliable if I want it 
Now you should know we get very upset and very protected of our job when it comes to what we earn and how many hours we have to put in for it, there is not a lot of people would work for what we do, I mean some spend 4 or 5 nights living in there work place and do 60 to 65 hours a week working, why would we expect Premium Rate after long hours like that and then on top of that we can be security guards as well and live like a traveller. As we say its the love of the job or its in your blood.
Our overtime kicks in after 7.5 hours a day 
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Rog270:
Lorry drivers must be simple [zb]…to work more than minimum 45 hours without a premium rate to kick in…I know the kids an the Dog are looking rather thin…but i d rather stack shelves…I know I’m gonna get flack…But it’s not the Ski’s,but the agency’s and Employers who have taken advantage of this cheap labour…1984 went from logbook to tachograph… Told it would irradicate bad Employers… Did it [zb]…Got told 2008 New CPC would improve our conditions …Well guess what guys …you know…I’m voting on 23rd June to leave the EU…Cos even the good Companys will go down this road… Just got to look at the slowly erosion of the petrol boys rates…Now you should know we get very upset and very protected of our job when it comes to what we earn and how many hours we have to put in for it, there is not a lot of people would work for what we do, I mean some spend 4 or 5 nights living in there work place and do 60 to 65 hours a week working, why would we expect Premium Rate after long hours like that and then on top of that we can be security guards as well and live like a traveller. As we say its the love of the job or its in your blood.
“love of the job” ? Its great if you love the job or “its in your blood”, (whatever that means).
I know theres people who live in the cabs all week then take a pleasure in the polishing of the truck at the weekend, but for most drivers its a job. Nothing else, and thats me.
Its a job I dont mind too much, thats all. I put up with it heroically.
£8.50 per hour is quite normal for employed drivers in the North East and given the responsibility a driver has these days thats just pitiful. I drive trucks because it allows me to work part time and flexibly to suit myself as I approach retirement, but if I was younger I wouldnt give it the time of day for the poor wages on offer now. When someone mentions shelf stacking there is a chorus of... "well, go and stack shelves then", but this misses the comparison of a checkout operator on £8.30 p/h and the driver with all the potential for accidents (3rd highest death rate behind farming and building), VOSA fines and the general responibilty of load security etc etc on £8.50. Not to mention the cost of a licence and DCPC these days. Look at the cost of fuel at the moment. If there was ever a time for a wage rise its now, what with the driver shortage an all. But Nothing!!
We just have blokes with big shiny lorries saying stop complaining about the poor wages just “love your job” like what I do, keep polishing and hope that lorry driving gets “in your blood”.
Its a poor show really.
Rog270:
Lorry drivers must be simple [zb]…to work more than minimum 45 hours without a premium rate to kick in…I know the kids an the Dog are looking rather thin…but i d rather stack shelves…I know I’m gonna get flack…But it’s not the Ski’s,but the agency’s and Employers who have taken advantage of this cheap labour…1984 went from logbook to tachograph… Told it would irradicate bad Employers… Did it [zb]…Got told 2008 New CPC would improve our conditions …Well guess what guys …you know…I’m voting on 23rd June to leave the EU…Cos even the good Companys will go down this road… Just got to look at the slowly erosion of the petrol boys rates…
I don’t know if I read it on here or someone told me when I was out and about but apparently it’s fairly uncommon down south to get overtime after 8 hours if you’re on agency. My normal base isn’t down there so I don’t know if there’s any truth in it? In Northern areas it’s still generally charged a standard rate to 8 hours then overtime rate after that on agency.
Up until very recently I’ve always charged a standard rate up to 8 hours (with a minimum of 8 hours) then time 1.5 thereafter but I’ve been finding over the past few years that more and more places want you to do it for a flat rate. The trouble is of course, a flat rate only works in your favour if you’re only doing a lowish number of hours per shift or you hike up the rate to compensate for any overtime rate losses over 8 hours.
I actually went to a new place recently touting for work and gave them my rates (flat rate to 8hrs + time 1.5 thereafter) and was met with “ooh no, we can’t pay them rates!”. They wanted to use me on a flat rate so I asked what they paid their own drivers and they said x per hour, guaranteed 10 hours. I said okay I’ll do you a flat rate of x per hour, minimum 10 hours to match and they agreed to it. The funny part is that all their runs can be done in 8-8.25 hours and by charging them the flat rate for a min of 10 I’m actually over £35 per night better off than I would’ve been if they’d gone for my usual rates 
. On some nights if the return load is ready I can be done in 7 hours which roughly works out to be my Sunday hourly rate, which isn’t cheap 
. They seem quite happy with the arrangement so I’m not complaining.
In short, a flat rate can very much work out in your favour but you have to size up what your average hours are going to be per shift to see if it’s worthwhile.
Where I worked before retiring o/t rates went out the window when 24/7 working came in,BUT our hourly rate went up to compensate, the only premium rate was for late or nights.
Perhaps that was the case with the Company you work for but it was before your time.
Rog270:
Mr Colin you a Stobbies driver wlhatvthe zib would you know about premium rate
My last job was after 40 hours so i am fully aware of the premuim rate.Reason i am at stobarts is because the company lost work and the end result was last in the door first out so im fully aware thanks.Anyway why do people on this forum keep going back to shop wages if you think you will get more go and work as a shelf stacker.
Colin_scottish:
Rog270:
Mr Colin you a Stobbies driver wlhatvthe zib would you know about premium rateMy last job was after 40 hours so i am fully aware of the premuim rate.Reason i am at stobarts is because the company lost work and the end result was last in the door first out so im fully aware thanks.Anyway why do people on this forum keep going back to shop wages if you think you will get more go and work as a shelf stacker.
Just part of working for stobarts Colin it was always you work for buttons , peanuts , but now there that bit older they’ve got words like shelf stacker , pizza maker in the vocabulary 
they can also now string a sentence together , pizza makers at morrisons get more that you 
youf of today eh Colin
Colin_scottish:
Rog270:
Mr Colin you a Stobbies driver wlhatvthe zib would you know about premium rateMy last job was after 40 hours so i am fully aware of the premuim rate.Reason i am at stobarts is because the company lost work and the end result was last in the door first out so im fully aware thanks.Anyway why do people on this forum keep going back to shop wages if you think you will get more go and work as a shelf stacker.
I rest my case…
Colin_scottish:
.Anyway why do people on this forum keep going back to shop wages if you think you will get more go and work as a shelf stacker.
Been wondering about that one myself. Asda pay shop floor workers £7-odd/hour & generally have them on 20-30 hours contracts, Is that really the obvious alternative for you guys?? Surely if you’re gonna look for something other than driving, you would set your sights a bit higher.
Rog270:
Lorry drivers must be simple [zb]…to work more than minimum 45 hours without a premium rate to kick in…I know the kids an the Dog are looking rather thin…but i d rather stack shelves…I know I’m gonna get flack…But it’s not the Ski’s,but the agency’s and Employers who have taken advantage of this cheap labour…1984 went from logbook to tachograph… Told it would irradicate bad Employers… Did it [zb]…Got told 2008 New CPC would improve our conditions …Well guess what guys …you know…I’m voting on 23rd June to leave the EU…Cos even the good Companys will go down this road… Just got to look at the slowly erosion of the petrol boys rates…
I get time and a quarter after 8, time and a half after 10. My contract is only for 40 hours a week.
Don’t tar us all with the same brush, some drivers are just happy to accept no overtime, if you don’t like it, walk.
Don’t come ■■■■■■■’ here about your crap T&C’s, you are the sucker for not doing anything about it. You knew exactly what you got yourself into when you signed on the dotted line.
Plenty of jobs pay overtime.
If and when you are contracted for more than 40 hours (common in driving) - then guess what? - The overtime is effectively built into the salary, so you don’t get any “additional” payments.
Whos does pay “overtime after 40 hours” these days? 
busteredwards:
Colin_scottish:
.Anyway why do people on this forum keep going back to shop wages if you think you will get more go and work as a shelf stacker.Been wondering about that one myself. Asda pay shop floor workers £7-odd/hour & generally have them on 20-30 hours contracts, Is that really the obvious alternative for you guys?? Surely if you’re gonna look for something other than driving, you would set your sights a bit higher.
In the last few days there has been a shelf stacker on here from tesco on £8.40 per hour working full time, also someone wanting a driver class 1 £65 per day or £6.50 for a 10 hour day
mac12:
busteredwards:
Colin_scottish:
.Anyway why do people on this forum keep going back to shop wages if you think you will get more go and work as a shelf stacker.Been wondering about that one myself. Asda pay shop floor workers £7-odd/hour & generally have them on 20-30 hours contracts, Is that really the obvious alternative for you guys?? Surely if you’re gonna look for something other than driving, you would set your sights a bit higher.
In the last few days there has been a shelf stacker on here from tesco on £8.40 per hour working full time, also someone wanting a driver class 1 £65 per day or £6.50 for a 10 hour day
He or she may get that but would only work 30 hours a week and they dont always get overtime.