Possibly been cheated by new manager

[juddian]

GhostRider17:

Trucking sideways:

GhostRider17:
I’m happy to cover the shunting shifts as noone else wants to and often need to start before the other drivers and leave afterwards. 14/15 hour days are common for me as I’m always doing “favours” towards the end of the day,shame it’s a one way street really.

Seems they’ve got your number by the sounds of it mate

Yep,what can I say? I’ve always had a strong work ethic which has always come around to bite me in the arse. Being 40 years old you would have thought I’d have learned by now.

Don’t change mate, don’t become one of the throng who couldn’t care a ■■■■, somewhere there is a good job waiting for you, some companies still value and reward old fashioned work values despite the many views here to the contrary, go and find one.

[winseer]

robroy:

toonsy:

GhostRider17:
Well after reading all that Winseer it’s obvious to me you’re a way smarter man than I am sir!

Tbf i don’t doubt his intelligence.

His sanity though… different question.

I don’t question his intelligence or his sanity, but there is no doubt that he’s a bit…errr odd.

“Wavelength” is the word you’re looking for.

…If I were “Rich” - I’d be called “Eccentric”.
…If I were a a full Scientist - I’d be called “Mad”.

I’m neither though… I do find that “getting mad” helps me to get even in my own way. It is better than despairing that some crook is better than I am, and topping myself when I realize I cannot ever beat them all the time I have no cash to get back into the big game with… I have never been interested in “Fame” - only Wealth and Happiness.

I do love a bit of Karma-in-sight though, me… Cheers me up no end when I see someone who “had it coming” - come to grief - in the pocket rather than harm to life and limb, of course…

[tailschwing]

My employer recently started paying us from the tacho, but to be fair I think it was a good shout as loads of the lazy gits who’d been there for years but still couldn’t do a manual entry suddenly got their arses in gear and learnt how to do it.

However, we can set our time to reflect genuine starting time and this is encouraged - e.g. if you take card out and then end up being called into a meeting they always say to reflect it on your manual entry next morning.

[robroy]

Winseer:

robroy:

toonsy:

GhostRider17:
Well after reading all that Winseer it’s obvious to me you’re a way smarter man than I am sir!

Tbf i don’t doubt his intelligence.

His sanity though… different question.

I don’t question his intelligence or his sanity, but there is no doubt that he’s a bit…errr odd.

“Wavelength” is the word you’re looking for.

…If I were “Rich” - I’d be called “Eccentric”.
…If I were a a full Scientist - I’d be called “Mad”.

I’m neither though… I do find that “getting mad” helps me to get even in my own way. It is better than despairing that some crook is better than I am, and topping myself when I realize I cannot ever beat them all the time I have no cash to get back into the big game with… I have never been interested in “Fame” - only Wealth and Happiness.

I do love a bit of Karma-in-sight though, me… Cheers me up no end when I see someone who “had it coming” - come to grief - in the pocket rather than harm to life and limb, of course…

Like I said…‘‘odd’’.

[ghostrider17]

Tailschwing:
My employer recently started paying us from the tacho, but to be fair I think it was a good shout as loads of the lazy gits who’d been there for years but still couldn’t do a manual entry suddenly got their arses in gear and learnt how to do it.

However, we can set our time to reflect genuine starting time and this is encouraged - e.g. if you take card out and then end up being called into a meeting they always say to reflect it on your manual entry next morning.

Does it show on the download or readout that a manual entry has been entered or does it just show that you started work at the time you selected? Stupid question I know but I’ve never thought to look into it.

[winseer]

GhostRider17:

Tailschwing:
My employer recently started paying us from the tacho, but to be fair I think it was a good shout as loads of the lazy gits who’d been there for years but still couldn’t do a manual entry suddenly got their arses in gear and learnt how to do it.

However, we can set our time to reflect genuine starting time and this is encouraged - e.g. if you take card out and then end up being called into a meeting they always say to reflect it on your manual entry next morning.

Does it show on the download or readout that a manual entry has been entered or does it just show that you started work at the time you selected? Stupid question I know but I’ve never thought to look into it.

Always do your lead-in on manual entry, and when popping your card - don’t forget to tag the lead-out onto the end, which you cannot do until inserting your card the next day. NEVER “book on” from the moment you insert your card ALWAYS say “Y” to “Manual Entry?” question when you first insert your card.

So if I turn up at say, 09:58hrs, get my keys, reach my vehicle at 10:10hrs, insert my card, manual entry so I started @ 10:00 (official start time) manual “other work” until this 10:10 insert time, then after that, I leave it on other work for a full 15 minutes whilst I do my walkaround checks, not leaving the yard until at least 10:25hrs…

On completion of duty, I might pop my card @ 21:48, you can’t do a manual entry at that point, not until next start-of-day, so I then go to chuck my keys in, having checked I don’t have any flat tyres in particular, lights not working (wind-down walkaround checks - necessary if there’s little gap between you and the next driver taking over…)

By the time I’ve chucked my keys in, it’ll be say, 21:55hrs, and I will be driving out the car park @ 22:00.

Next morning, I’ll insert my card, manual entry from 21:48 to 22:00 as “other work”, END OF SHIFT @ 22:00, book the period 22:00-10:00 the next day as “daily rest right through”, and then repeat the process from
the above line “So if I turn up at say, 09:58hrs…” bit. Rinse and repeat.

I’m paid by what’s on my card, so it is in my interest to include all the “other work” before start, and after card pop.

Don’t be lazy and get docked 15 minutes either end in the process! Be meticulous with manual entries, and don’t worry about this old “Bent manager” argument that popping your card @ 21:48 and booking off @ 22:00 is somehow “fraudulent” in their mind, because for their argument to be valid - you’d have to be teleported outside the gate from your driver’s seat the MOMENT you popped your card - right?

[ghostrider17]

Winseer:

GhostRider17:

Tailschwing:
My employer recently started paying us from the tacho, but to be fair I think it was a good shout as loads of the lazy gits who’d been there for years but still couldn’t do a manual entry suddenly got their arses in gear and learnt how to do it.

However, we can set our time to reflect genuine starting time and this is encouraged - e.g. if you take card out and then end up being called into a meeting they always say to reflect it on your manual entry next morning.

Does it show on the download or readout that a manual entry has been entered or does it just show that you started work at the time you selected? Stupid question I know but I’ve never thought to look into it.

Always do your lead-in on manual entry, and when popping your card - don’t forget to tag the lead-out onto the end, which you cannot do until inserting your card the next day. NEVER “book on” from the moment you insert your card ALWAYS say “Y” to “Manual Entry?” question when you first insert your card.

So if I turn up at say, 09:58hrs, get my keys, reach my vehicle at 10:10hrs, insert my card, manual entry so I started @ 10:00 (official start time) manual “other work” until this 10:10 insert time, then after that, I leave it on other work for a full 15 minutes whilst I do my walkaround checks, not leaving the yard until at least 10:25hrs…

On completion of duty, I might pop my card @ 21:48, you can’t do a manual entry at that point, not until next start-of-day, so I then go to chuck my keys in, having checked I don’t have any flat tyres in particular, lights not working (wind-down walkaround checks - necessary if there’s little gap between you and the next driver taking over…)

By the time I’ve chucked my keys in, it’ll be say, 21:55hrs, and I will be driving out the car park @ 22:00.

Next morning, I’ll insert my card, manual entry from 21:48 to 22:00 as “other work”, END OF SHIFT @ 22:00, book the period 22:00-10:00 the next day as “daily rest right through”, and then repeat the process from
the above line “So if I turn up at say, 09:58hrs…” bit. Rinse and repeat.

I’m paid by what’s on my card, so it is in my interest to include all the “other work” before start, and after card pop.

Don’t be lazy and get docked 15 minutes either end in the process! Be meticulous with manual entries, and don’t worry about this old “Bent manager” argument that popping your card @ 21:48 and booking off @ 22:00 is somehow “fraudulent” in their mind, because for their argument to be valid - you’d have to be teleported outside the gate from your driver’s seat the MOMENT you popped your card - right?
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Thanks for that. I’ve only just gotten the hang of manual entries and now I’ll them everyday. I was really surprised how many of the experienced drivers didn’t know how to do them. The only problem is that the TM requested in the past that didi cards are downloaded daily and the info sent straight to payroll so confirming the end of the shift was impossible. He seems to have relaxed it a little and now it’s weekly but I doubt that will last long.

[winseer]

The last bit at the end of the week’s shift pattern - the bit from popping the card, say Friday Night to book-off time - is NOT going to be manually entered until Monday start of week, first shift.

This means that Wages might “clip” you on Friday night, where you get booked off for payment purposes the moment you pop your card, of course.

If you manually enter 21:48-22:00 the following week, but when pay comes you only got paid until 21:45 for instance, then that money is lost - but using the “Swings and roundabouts” argument, you will probably scrape that back should you for instance, take smoke breaks, need to take an extra paid break, or take any paid POA.

If the firm doesn’t pay ANY of these things, and you don’t get “grace breaks” neither, then that money is the firm really defrauding all their drivers out of 15 minutes every single week without fail as a “pennypinching business practice” - isn’t it?

Payroll Department - hopefully will use a bit of discretion, and round UP the last shift of the week to 15 minutes beyond card pop-out time - as a goodwill gesture perhaps, but a content workforce is a more productive workforce - right?

No one likes to feel “ripped off” by the very firm that they work for, at the end of the day.

[conor]

GhostRider17:
I’m going to tell my boss I no longer want to work more than 60 hours a week,the extra tax I pay after doesn’t make it worthwhile working more than that without any bonuses.

But you don’t pay any extra tax unless you go over £50,000 - up to £50k it’s taxed the same 20% as the rest of your pay above the £12500 personal tax free allowance.

[trucking_sideways]

GhostRider17:

Trucking sideways:

GhostRider17:
I’m happy to cover the shunting shifts as noone else wants to and often need to start before the other drivers and leave afterwards. 14/15 hour days are common for me as I’m always doing “favours” towards the end of the day,shame it’s a one way street really.

Seems they’ve got your number by the sounds of it mate

Yep,what can I say? I’ve always had a strong work ethic which has always come around to bite me in the arse. Being 40 years old you would have thought I’d have learned by now.

Nothing wrong with a good work ethic, just don’t waste it on people that take the ■■■■, which it sounds like this firm and some of the drivers are.

Look around for a different place that values your graft, pays you for all the work you do, and pays you well for it. Leave the ■■■■ takers there to have the ■■■■ taken and move on.

[winseer]

Trucking sideways:

GhostRider17:

Trucking sideways:

GhostRider17:
I’m happy to cover the shunting shifts as noone else wants to and often need to start before the other drivers and leave afterwards. 14/15 hour days are common for me as I’m always doing “favours” towards the end of the day,shame it’s a one way street really.

Seems they’ve got your number by the sounds of it mate

Yep,what can I say? I’ve always had a strong work ethic which has always come around to bite me in the arse. Being 40 years old you would have thought I’d have learned by now.

Nothing wrong with a good work ethic, just don’t waste it on people that take the ■■■■, which it sounds like this firm and some of the drivers are.

Look around for a different place that values your graft, pays you for all the work you do, and pays you well for it. Leave the ■■■■ takers there to have the ■■■■ taken and move on.

To me, a “Good work ethic” is the person who’ll stay on late at short notice, but then expects to get paid the overtime for it.
…Or perhaps someone who’ll book the night out as overtime, rather than moan that they didn’t get their tax-free pony FFS, as if that were more than booking through 9 hours even at single time, and paying normal taxes on it…

“Taking the ■■■■” - cuts both ways when firms abuse the hospitality of their keen drivers as much as when drivers park up in laybys for hours, then booking 3-4 overtime when they get back. Can’t do that these days with trackers, etc. but too many firms still like to get hourly paid staff to work extra hours without extra pay, alas…

[wheel_nut]

New Brush sweeps clean, but you still get some brushes with with a loose shaft or wobbly head. Some just make a noise as they pass but the old dust is still sitting in the corners.

[ghostrider17]

Wheel Nut:
New Brush sweeps clean, but you still get some brushes with with a loose shaft or wobbly head. Some just make a noise as they pass but the old dust is still sitting in the corners.

That’s an interesting metaphor

[ghostrider17]

Conor:

GhostRider17:
I’m going to tell my boss I no longer want to work more than 60 hours a week,the extra tax I pay after doesn’t make it worthwhile working more than that without any bonuses.

But you don’t pay any extra tax unless you go over £50,000 - up to £50k it’s taxed the same 20% as the rest of your pay above the £12500 personal tax free allowance.

Very true but as I’m well above the the tax free allowance you really notice the sting more,especially with extra National Insurance contributions added on top also. I think nearly £180 odd I paid recently for both.

[ghostrider17]

Anyway I got the Saturday bonus back for the weekend mentioned after a chat so I’ll take that as a win.

Also I am doing manual entries now without fail. To be honest I always thought that they weren’t a legal requirement so long as you kept a manual record to show all of the hours you’ve worked that week on paper to show VOSA,I’m still quite new at this so don’t judge

[ghostrider17]

Trucking sideways:

GhostRider17:

Trucking sideways:

GhostRider17:
I’m happy to cover the shunting shifts as noone else wants to and often need to start before the other drivers and leave afterwards. 14/15 hour days are common for me as I’m always doing “favours” towards the end of the day,shame it’s a one way street really.

Seems they’ve got your number by the sounds of it mate

Yep,what can I say? I’ve always had a strong work ethic which has always come around to bite me in the arse. Being 40 years old you would have thought I’d have learned by now.

Nothing wrong with a good work ethic, just don’t waste it on people that take the ■■■■, which it sounds like this firm and some of the drivers are.

Look around for a different place that values your graft, pays you for all the work you do, and pays you well for it. Leave the ■■■■ takers there to have the ■■■■ taken and move on.

To be fair it used to be a great place to work,I bet loads of you guys on here would recognise the company if I mentioned the name but I won’t for obvious reasons. So many driver left in the past for “the big money” but always ended up coming back as there’s little hassle working here,at least there didn’t used to be

Some of the drivers really were taking the ■■■■ doing exactly what you mentioned,parking in lay bys for 3 hours etc but they’ve mainly gone now from what I understand. I am starting to look to see what other jobs are out there which is something I never thought I’d do,not anytime soon any way.

[winseer]

GhostRider17:

Wheel Nut:
New Brush sweeps clean, but you still get some brushes with with a loose shaft or wobbly head. Some just make a noise as they pass but the old dust is still sitting in the corners.

That’s an interesting metaphor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAh8HryVaeY

[wheel_nut]

Winseer:

GhostRider17:

Wheel Nut:
New Brush sweeps clean, but you still get some brushes with with a loose shaft or wobbly head. Some just make a noise as they pass but the old dust is still sitting in the corners.

That’s an interesting metaphor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAh8HryVaeY

From being 16 years of age we used a clock machine, and it was instilled into us that we start at 8am, that didnt mean clocking on at 8.02 or even 8.00, it meant you were ready to accept instructions from 8am with overalls on, boots laced and ready to go, as they start at 8, booking on early doesn’t help you. at the end of the day, you clock off at 17.05, that was 15 minutes overtime, so by knocking 15 off in the morning seemed fair to us. Some jobs with tachographs, also had timesheets and clock machines at the gate.

[winseer]

Whilst at a good number of places, a unionized environment has meant good protections for “what is fair, and what is not”, I’ve noticed that it seems to be the best paying (for agency) places that treat the agency bod the absolute worst, and the lowest payers who roll out the proberbial red carpet for their agency people, especially the newbies…

No doubt there is a “worst of both worlds” outfit there somewhere that I’ve yet to darken the door of, but I am pretty sure there isn’t a top dollar yard that ALSO treats you with love and respect at all times…

FFS Even a cheery “F— off” as “Banter” would be better than the everlasting backstabbing that I see and feel going on at all-too-many places these days, especially with this advent of “Ex Drivers becoming acting managers” when they lose their licences, in particular.

FFS you’d think a firm would jump at the chance of sacking a long-standing employee for losing their licence, but instead these firms give them a job upstairs, and the next thing you know - Clean licence holders that turn up on time are getting the boot for walking on the proberbial cracks in the pavement!

[trucking_sideways]

Winseer:
Whilst at a good number of places, a unionized environment has meant good protections for “what is fair, and what is not”, I’ve noticed that it seems to be the best paying (for agency) places that treat the agency bod the absolute worst, and the lowest payers who roll out the proberbial red carpet for their agency people, especially the newbies…

No doubt there is a “worst of both worlds” outfit there somewhere that I’ve yet to darken the door of, but I am pretty sure there isn’t a top dollar yard that ALSO treats you with love and respect at all times…

FFS Even a cheery “F— off” as “Banter” would be better than the everlasting backstabbing that I see and feel going on at all-too-many places these days, especially with this advent of “Ex Drivers becoming acting managers” when they lose their licences, in particular.

FFS you’d think a firm would jump at the chance of sacking a long-standing employee for losing their licence, but instead these firms give them a job upstairs, and the next thing you know - Clean licence holders that turn up on time are getting the boot for walking on the proberbial cracks in the pavement!

To be fair I work at the second top dollar paying firm on my agency’s pay roll. Ocado is the top but they are full of ■■■■■■■■ such as no sat nav or electronic device on view in the cab, fair enough you might say, but they give you a bit of paper with the directions on and expect you to stick to it. So a sat nav in the corner of a screen is more of a distraction than having to pick up the bit of paper and see where they want you to turn next.

Fair enough after a couple of times you wouldn’t really need a sat nav, but the traffic is bloody handy!

Anyway, I digress, the firm I limp for are a “large logistics Provider” they pay well, the trucks are new, it’s trailer swaps, and you are treated with RESPECT. I hear that’s a rare thing these days.

I have done a bit of work with a ■■■■ paying firm, the trucks are dirty and falling to pieces. The job is rubbish, and you get TNT ringing you up finding out what time you are going to get there. The cheek of them actually passing your number out to TNT would be enough, but with the rubbish pay and shocking vehicles I wonder how they get people to work there!